situation where we're looking into whether not this is working. >> this is no longer an experiment the program and it has not been since november, 2009. i think the people are quitting this foot peak with the whole program. the basic tenets is to do the implementation problem solving. the increased interaction

between the various stakeholders in the community in the police department in creating common goals. >> i did participate with the community meetings. the strong arm robberies are going on at an alarming rate. this is something that maybe you can discuss tomorrow. the mentioned that this would be pulled and i'm not sure that that is accurate. you have a couple of dwellings there. >> this is a separate funding stream and we work through the house and authority. i've not been told that we would take the funding away. >> there used to be a beat cop in the housing community.

i'm not sure if that is going on. you can address these concerns. i would like to follow-up on this. >> the housing authority has some concerns. >> the number you just put out, and i remember this but this is sobering to hear. budget cuts have real consequences. can you tell us of how many have we suffered? how many are to come? >> i don't have the number. i can certainly get it for you the next meeting. i don't know how many people have left already. also, the reason why i mention the overtime, it is important. i will give you a good example.

this week we have fleet week, the giants are playing in the playoffs. all the security outside is paid by over time. the police department would pay the general fund to fields this security. there will be a lot of people on the streets. without getting into the hours, the number of overtime hours are significantly more than will be used this week. the way that we have been compensating is by moving people around in order to fill the holes. this means that we're taking people from the district's not on an overtime basis but on their regular funding source to provide policing for these

events. it doesn't take a genius that we have gone from over $20 million a year in a general fund and over time. this comes out of the general fund. $5 million. that is a huge reduction. that has some consequences. >> this is an item that has surfaced significantly and i think that it is good that the officers know that we're not hiring. we are losing officers to injuries, retirements. this is just a fact of life. what do we to deal with this?

at some point, there has to be some money coming back for public safety. >> my only concern about this and i know that i will be repetitive but i think it is important, crime is significantly. one of the reasons that you want the police officers out there is when crime is up. you want to put them out there were crime is occurring. we have been able to do well with the resources that we have. when you put that in contrast to the fact that we have nearly $500 in production and you look at the reality that the police department takes one of the biggest pieces, i think it is

reasonable to expect that there will be some reduction in the money that comes to the police department. i would be concerned if we were reducing services and crime was decreasing. if we want to maintain the level of social services that we can and keep our libraries open and our departments functioning, and you cannot do all of the things and expect the police not to take the reduction. what we will continue to do is to try to be a good partner to everyone else in the city. our residents have to recognize that that is exactly what is going on. the commission will be most helpful that there are real

reductions. there not fabricated by the chief of police. on the other hand, crime is down. two years ago, we did not have the ability to look at crime and the real time and deal with this very quickly. this is what we have been doing for a daily basis. there is good news. this is much better than the bad news. there are less resources but at the end of the day, we have less crime. >> thank you. >> when i came on the commission, there was no hiring.

then the commission approved funding and we added all of these classes. i would rather be proactive than reactive. we're looking at the budget and attrition rates. we would like to have some kind of balance so we don't have to do a crash course the likely did when i first got here. >> actually, that review was going on and this was a commitment that we would come up in the later part of november. frankly, i am more concerned about two years out then even next year. we have a large number of personnel that will be gone two years from now. if you stretch it out to a 5-

your window, we would lose about 25% of our workforce and the next five years. it takes about two and a half, three years from the time that we have the higher costs and people who are confident to work on their own. if you gave us the ok to hire police officers, the benefit would not be seen for another two and a half, three years. you have a lot of people that will be gone and we will not be hiring a significant amount of people certainly in the next 12-18 months. we are anticipating and looking into this and these are discussion that we will be having with the mayor's office and the four supervisors. -- and the board of supervisors.

i'm not sure that there will be a lot of money unless there is a complete redirection as far as where the city and county would like to spend the money. we are presenting those things. >> thank you, chief. wha>> good evening, commissione. we are passing out the monthly report that is from january 30th-first of this year through the 30th. -- that is from january 1st of

this year through january 30th. cases sustained are up by 26% this year over last year. i will provide you with a more detailed analysis of the third order. -- third quarter. there are 43 complaints this year. in the third quarter alone, 43 complaints were mediated. three of 8 of the months. i briefly reported to you on your retreated that last month, five employes and including me attended the annual training conference.

i have shared with police commission that there is only $1,000 in discretionary money. moving back to the conference, two employees presented at the conference. one of them participated it on a panel and he is also a board member. the other attorney, you are familiar with her policy work. on the panel was also a formal

-- former navy police officer. additionally, the community hommes bodman was on hand -- the community omsbudsman. agencies throughout the united states organized annual training conferences such as the one we attended in seattle and unidentified best practices as they emerge as well as encouraging networking. the panels include not only oversight but also members of law enforcement. the next conference to be held in new orleans on september 11th thru september 15th. i encourage the commissioners to

attend the training conference. many board members and commissioners attend as well as members from law enforcement. that concludes my remarks and thank you. >> thank you for attending our retreat on saturday. i ate understand that the management control division was present. can we find out about them going? i think is a matter of fairness. apparently, on the the registration was paid. what the police department has to pay, this is a matter of fairness. we will find a way to reimburse them. i would also like to thank you for attending the conference. obviously, your support is probably one of the most recognized civilian oversight bodies. thank you. >> thank you.

>> thank you for the statistics. what are the cases outside the jurisdiction? is this outside of the city limits? >> it means that this is a case that is not a false is one member of the police department. this could be a civilian member. it could be one involving a special, one involved in law enforcement from another agency. >> you have 60 pending in 2010? is that my reading? >> we determined to insure that of the 2009 cases, if he were

outside the jurisdiction and four -- and for this year, 60. in the previous year for 2009, if you turn the page and see january, 2009 to september, there were 66 cases determined to be outside of the jurisdiction. you have 66 and 18. what you find so far of all of the cases, 68 were determined to be outside of the jurisdiction. >> thank you for your report. what do a tribute the reduction to? >> well, it is t 0 07 to tell.

i discussed this with the chief and it could be any number of things. it could be that officer training is such that officer interaction with members of the public will result in more positive interaction. i am not really sure beyond that what it could be attributed to. we look at our outreach numbers and determine whether or not we are being engaging in the same level of outrage that we have had in the past year. we have the out reach report which is pending.

i will say that investigators are not doing the same amount of outrage that they did last year because i have a limited number of investigators. we are down to journey level investigators and down a senior investigator. the mediation coordinator also engages an outreach so we are continuing to attend the events so i'm not sure that this is really a triple to not getting the word out. we have our website. we engage in press conferences. what i will say is that there are other years over a 10-year time. then i looked at where

complaints have been lower than this. this is the lowest complaint filing for the past 10 years. it could also mean that the cases that the investigators have sustained have sent a message and officers are not conceding the point that may have been made. >> we will now move to commission reports.

i would like to thank the former commissioner who was at our facilitator. the director brought the -- brought her husband with her. it was very well done and very well organized. we had an opportunity to delve into the rules and procedures, issues we need to deal with as a commission. our priorities. >> i need to seek a list of

whatever tasks are assigned i think it was three. i like the idea of working groups and to continue developing where we want to go and how we want to do it. >> there will be followed for comment. we are productive but we were going at a fast clip all day and the record will be gone over very carefully and the point synthesized and there are certainly follow up items for future meetings for us keokuk on items that bernanke to l2. -- for us to follow up on items.

>> i don't think we need to pass a motion at this want to suggest that we give it to former commissioner team for the service that he can the commission. >> ok, any public comment on the reports to the commission? >> i think that we should definitely make sure that we report this. the human rights commission held a hearing on surveillance on racial profiling. there was three hours of testimony from the public. there was expert testimony including from the aclu. we'll talk about this more in the future. i want to make sure that you know that there was a long hearing with the police department was brought up many

times. when you have a chance, take a look at the testimony. >> i attended as well. one of the things, that is why 8.10 is on the calendar and i am asking for this to go over to october 20th. in terms of profiling, we would like to add religion to the profiling, not just racial profiling. they brought a lot of points out which i will address when we update the 8.10. in terms of reviewing the first amendment activity, the full commission reviewing the activity. the reports that come to the hall commission will be extensive. we will also look at the reports. of -- the whole commission will be extensive.

it was well done. a lot of the issues came back to how the police department will handle these things. >> one commissioner suggestedñi the october 20th of, how does our commission look? >> that is the third wednesday of the month. >> is this a community meeting? >> there are no community meetings this year. >> ok, how about the 27. >> ok, public comment. >> members of the commission, director san francisco open government. my comments are on the occ directors report. i would like to direct my

comments to the question to the director. i would like to suggest an alternative as to why the complaints are going down. if you look at the number of complaints resolved in 2010, it says that there were 294. look at the numbers sustained, one. one out of 294. is it any possibility that someone has gotten the idea that filing a complaint with the occ will probably not result in much of anything? that is less than one-third of 1%. some people might say, well, i don't really think that that is probably it but i havethe 2003 from the office of complaint to the board of splfers -- supervisors which listed a number of egregious handling. officers who threatened the winds. these are matters of public

record in the complaint in the report filed with the board of supervisors in 2003. if i'm incorrect, it says cases sustained 2010 -- 0000001. and you get to the end of the year and it says "1." so one case out of 294 cases have been sustained. i myself had a complaint back a couple years ago when i talked to one of the investigators, and he told me it is pretty much kind of a joke. he said you can file -- if you don't like the way it is determined, you can file a complaint if you can provide new information. i say well, can i find out what information was considered? no, that's private. so in other words i can file a petition saying i don't think this was considered, but i have no way of knowing what was considered and what wasn't.

once you give your initial statement to o.c.c., the complainant is completely left out of anything else in the process. i have no faith in that. and reading that 2003 report from o.c.c. to the board of commissioners and subsequently trying to getted general order which covers that yea -- trying to get the general order which covers that area, i still have been unable under the open government law to get a copy of that general order to determine whether or not those changes were made or whether this just went down another black hole which is typical of many government reports. >> director hicks, could you respond, please. >> thank you very much, vice president mazzucco. looking at the comprehensive statistical report, the number of cases that have been sustained in the past nine months of 2010 is 53. that number is 53.

52 of the 53 cases were cases that were filed in 2009. one of the cases was a case that was filed in 2010. so this is rolling. the 2010 cases are still being considered. the total number of cases that were opened in 2010 is 664. cases closed, so far in 2010, 354 of them are 2009 cases, 209 are 2010 cases. the sustained rate to date of cases closed is 8% not 0000.0001%. >> if i am reading this -- >> you have already commented. >> so they get to comment after i do and i get to shut-up and

you get to put out a false indication and i don't get to counteract it. >> next speaker. next item, please. line item number 5, please. >> item 5. discussion and possible action to approve the department's recommendation denying request of assistant patrol special officer ray castillo, 2504, to purchase beat 72 from resigned patrol special officer hanley chan. >> can you come forward, please. sergeant hicks, can you advise us on the status of the sale.