>> deputy director administrative services. chairman murphy: speak a little louder. we can't hear you. >> thank you. your original motion would have meant that we could not have paid -- that the contract would have been over, we couldn't pay them for any work that they do and you would not get any -- any more deliverables. if we do this on a month-to-month basis it takes a significant amount of staff work to draft the documents, get it through, you know, the contract administration, get signatures on it. there is -- yeah. there's a burden, administrative burden. i just wanted to make that clear. chairman murphy: i understand. supervisor mar: i like to propose my original notion extend it to december. commissioner lee: my concern was if we do extend it all the

way to december, what happens if we're not finished in december? it's going to get extended again. even prior to december, just finish it as quickly as possible. that's my only thought of not extending it to december. try to get this done earlier. chairman murphy: any comment from the vendor on this? >> laurence with the department of building inspection. i believe december 31 is a reasonable date. we've done, as you heard through previous -- we believe we can complete it. we believe we have enough scheduled meetings and so on. i hope we don't need any further extensions beyond that it just seems like our

reasonable completion date. we're focused on that. commissioner lee: well -- >> i can't hear you, sir. >> speak into the mike. commissioner lee: i'm sorry. i'm not sure what the other commissioners are tint on except maybe commissioner mar. i'm willing to extend it to the next meet and then bring it up with everybody else again. i don't know why it's taking that long. i'm ok with until november. chairman murphy: are you seconding my motion? commissioner lee: sure. why not? chairman murphy: do i have a second for commissioner mar's motion? >> just a moment. i'm conferring. the motion that was made now is the continuing to extend the contract until november 17

meeting. i believe commissioner hechanova seconded that. commissioner hechanova: i beg your pardon? >> on president murphy's motion to -- commissioner hechanova: extend the contract to the 17th. yes. i seconded. >> yes. so we had a motion and a second. and then we have another motion. so we need to vote on the first motion. so we need to vote on the first motion as to extend the contract to the november 17. chairman murphy: is that the date for our november meeting, 17th? >> november 17 >> chairman murphy: yeah. that's my motion. >> so we need to vote on that motion. chairman murphy: yes. >> so, president murphy? chairman murphy: yes. [roll call] >> once again this motion carries on a vote of 4-1 that

means that the contract for capps is extended until november 17 and will be discussed again at that time. chairman murphy: ok. next item. any public comments on this? i see none. >> ok. we are now on item number 6, update on how d.b.i. determines permit fees charged for planning services. >> good morning, commissioners. the planning department has a fee schedule for permits. and the actual planning department determines -- it's based on the vamation of the job which is determined by d.b.i.

-- the valuation of the job which is determined by d.b.i. we charge these based on their fee schedule. chairman murphy: does d.b.i. determine what plannings' fees are? >> no, we don't. planning does their own nexus study and set their own fees as does every other department. we collect the fees for planning. but we don't determine the amount of the fees. or the fee charge, what the fee is based upon. chairman murphy: ok. so we just essentially write the check for what they say they want. >> yes. chairman murphy: has that ever been questioned? >> no. in other words, the planning fees, they would bring them to the board of supervisors just like we have a fee schedule that our commission approves and we forward to the board of supervisors to be a proved. so that's their process also. they would take their proposed fee schedule to their commission for approval and then take it to the board of supervisors for incorporation

if they're changing the fees or increasing them. chairman murphy: i see what you mean. like their fees are high. director day: i don't know what they're basing their fees on. i haven't studied their nexus study. chairman murphy: could we get a report from them how they base their fees? director day: we can certainly have someone from their admin department come over and explain how they determine their fees, i'm sure. we can have that as a future agenda item. chairman murphy: yes. let's put that on the aend, ann, for maybe -- agenda, ann, for maybe november. director day: we used to have -- she no longer can come to the meetings. she asked if d.b.i. is charging planning for those fees. are we charging them an administration fee?

director day: we do charge them a slight administration fee for our counting and -- yes, that is included. that's the charge from our department to planning department and from our don't any other department that we collect fees for, the fee basis for. commissioner lee: i guess the question, is that fee then passed on to the customer? director day: we're not charging the customers for that fee. we're charging the planning department. whether planning department incorporates what we charge them into their fees -- commissioner lee: that's what i was wondering. chairman murphy: it'sen -- -- commissioner hechanova: it's an internal assessment. >> internal. director day: she did want know give her name, edith. i don't know if any of you remember edith. >> do we have any public comment or do the commissioners have any further discussion? public comments? >> hello. this is an issue where some

time back to get a permit to replace windows and the planning would charge like $800, however they determined the fees. it was really sky high. they said, wait a minute, we'll drop it down to $400. what i'm finding and i had a very upset client recently where we got a building permit and it was just for the planning part of it, for a stair and a bathroom. the job itself was much, much larger. the cost, i believe, of that portion of the job was about $10,000. it wasn't that big. however, the planning fee was like $2,700. so i don't know how you get this fee from planning. i'm sort of lost at that i never saw anyone from planning saying what their determination of their portion of the work is. of what they're signing off on. i would think that planning

would look at their portion of the work and that would be -- that's how they valuate the fee. but to determine the whole project if that's what they're doing, there's something wrong with that. i like to see us come back. we need to see how they're doing it. it really sun justified. i had a very, very unhappy client when they saw that just the planning part was $2,700. ok, fine, sign it. thank you. chairman murphy: thank you. next speaker, please. >> can we reset the clock, president murphy? chairman murphy: yes. >> thank you. good morning, commissioners. again, luke o'brien. coalition for responsible growth. primarily i want to support what the previous speaker said. i think it's a legitimate point. we should definitely, i think,

put some effort into reviewing the fee that are charged by planning. i think can i infer from part of what you said, director. it is plan who are telling what you those fees are. so i understand that. and you're merely following, executing, orders. since you are the collector of the fee, though, that's going to engage you in the process of trying to revisit the fee schedule. so i think it's a great idea that you have somebody come here who could explain the planning fees. i would point out that the last time that i looked at this, i wanted them to try and understand what the fees were. what initiated that was a similar discussion as the previous speaker, a fee that sounded rather absorb tent. and to be perfectly honest with you, i ended up giving up on the process. the phone rang and i went on to the next item because it was

just impossible. we all trying to understand how to read a cell phone bill and understand all the taxes. we usually give up and are just at the mercy of the big compingses -- corporations. but for something local as the planning department i don't think it's too much to ask that we have a fee schedule that is clearcut, easy to understand. as simple as a contractor might charge a client to do a job, time, materials, dollars per hours, whatever it is. it should be pretty straight forward, and it's not right now. so that should get put in there in the discussion that these fees are easy to understand for people to reference later. i think you'll probably find that the planning department are going to struggle a little bit to justify some of the fees. the last time i looked at it. and i'm looking forward to that discussion. thank you. chairman murphy: thank you. next speaker. seeing none. >> we can move on to item number nine. commissioner's questions and

matters. item 9-a. are there any inquiries to staff? commissioner lee: yes. i have one. chairman murphy: commissioner lee? commissioner lee: i was just wondering, when can we get that announcement -- >> we can't hear you. commissioner lee: we need to nominate people to the three subcommittees on the website. >> i have submitted it to the website. i will check again today when i go back. i looked this morning myself to see if it was on. i'll let you know later today. commissioner lee: thank you. chairman murphy: commissioner hechanova? commissioner hechanova: do we have an update on where the del mar issue is? chairman murphy: do you have an update on that, ann? >> i spoke with -- that's an a.a.b. item. i spoke with francesca gessner

because we were going to give a brief update. she said since it's been over a year that it would be good for the abatement appeals to have a hearing and to notice the building again and to have the people involved in 135 come forward for a full hearing so we'll do that on the november meeting. commissioner hechanova: and so they're notified? >> they will be notified. the building will be posted. yes. commissioner hechanova: thank you. >> anything else? chairman murphy: any further questions? seeing none. >> any public comments? >> hi, commissioners. i do want to commitment d.b.i. for the fifth floor it really is a pleasure to go up there and to work. it's really neistly set up. -- nicely set up.

it does work. i just wanted to commend the director and d.b.i. for providing that service that we have up on the fifth floor. i'm quite happy with it on that part of it. so thank you. chairman murphy: thank you. the only thing i'd like to say is -- thank you, vivian, director, for clarifying that our regular meetings all the ye customers going to be on a regular basis and all the department heads will be there, or the department heads that need to be there will be there. >> i cannot guarantee that the department heads will be here. they usually send representatives of the department. actually, john comes from and

kelly was attending at one point. i don't know who is scheduled to attend now from planning. barbara used to attend from d.p.w. i don't know if the new manager will. pu p.u.c. comes. the actual people that do the plan check comes from p.u.c. there and they're on staff. so i'm trying to get as many people. we have a representative from the health department that comes normally. chairman murphy: so do we have somebody coordinated to let people know when the meeting will be? >> yes. we have a regular agenda. we post the agenda. it's normally on the third thursday of every month. so we will have one on the 21st of this month. that's our next scheduled meeting. >> do we have an attendance sheet? >> we have the sign-in sheet and the original b.p.r. sheet and we send out notices to all the b.p.r. people that were on

it and as people join the list, they're added to the list. so we email the agenda out to everyone before the meeting. >> why don't we ask -- could we ask for a copy of the sign-in sheet and the distribution list for our next meeting and just for -- chairman murphy: have it in our package for each month? >> sure. >> that would be great. chairman murphy: that's all. >> yeah, that's no problem. we can also include the minutes from the meeting, too, if you want them in printed form. chairman murphy: yes, that would be great. >> they are online. chairman murphy: next item. >> 9-b, future meetings and agendas. >> hi. chairman murphy: commissioner clinch. commissioner clinch: we not meet on the 21st depending on the preferences. chairman murphy: any other comments, commoirs? commissioner clinch: i can't attend on the 20th. >> ok, so our next meeting

would be november 17. chairman murphy: majority has spoken. >> ok. all those in favor. >> aye. >> opposed. ok. item number 10 is adjournment. chairman murphy: motion to adjourn. >> second. s >> aye. >> all in favor. >> aye. >> thank you.

>> the san francisco arts commission's public arts program made a big splash in the civic center with the world premiere of three heads, six arms. the artist came from shanghai to help us celebrate the unavailing. we had a chance to speak with him about his work. >> the san francisco arts commission is pleased to be celebrating their relationship between san high and san francisco. the shanghai and san francisco. this is a 30 relationship that

stretches back to win dianne feinstein was the mayor of san francisco. we premiered a new work of art here in san francisco called the three heads, six arms. welcome to san francisco. thank you for bringing your extraordinary sculpture. can you tell me about what inspired you to create this sculpture? >> this started with some trips that i took years ago. i went to to bed and i saw a lot of statues and i started to really feel the spiritual life of people in tibet. it really inspires me and i went back to shanghai and i started the creation of this.

>> we see that one of the heads of the bullet it is your face. can you talk about the significance of that? -- we see that one of the heads of the buddha is your face. >> i started doing public art almost 10 years ago. what i want to express this as an extension of my our practice. this is an accumulation of my own experience as a performance artist. >> we see that the scale is very important.

we have seen other works where a limb of this culture is on the floor but everything is very big and large scale. what are you trying to accomplish with expanding the scale of these images to such a great size. >> i wanted to make large scale art and see how this plays a role in contemporary society. i think that is the mission of contemporary art, to serve as a social critique. >> when the mayor knew some -- when mayor newsom join you in

dedicating this, they wanted to find a work that was big and bold. he was so pleased with your participation that he made you an honoraria citizens of san francisco for the next 18 months. the public reaction has been very positive. what is your reaction of how people receive your sculpture? >> i think that san francisco has a long history. this gigantic sculpture is in front of the civic center. i know that that is not the kind

of a go with whole environment. there is an exchange with the american culture and the asian culture which has created this very strong power. this power was created by east meets west may be is exactly what our mayor or the public wants. they will start to be curious and wonder how this is here and how we look at the asian culture. >> you have lived internationally, you have lived in cities like new york and beijing, now shanghai. you made a very conscious decision to lend this culture to san francisco as opposed to having it premier as an exhibition at another museum.

>> i am very satisfied with the turnout and i lived in new york for 8 years and all of my children were born in new york. i already have the american spirit. i am proud to be here and i really appreciate the spirit of committing to things and being honored and being collaborative. when i flashed back to my career, i think about what an artist can do is a teeny tiny thing. i want to contribute to the hall human society. what art can do is just this tiny bit. >> your invitation has already proven to be a great success and we really look forward to spending time with your

sculpture. thank you for being part of "culture wire." >> thank you for being part of this project. >> thank you for watching. join us for future episodes. you can >> welcome to culturewater. in 2001, the san francisco arts commission and tampa does go public library established an arts master plan for the city soon to be renovated branch library. almost 10 years later, the san francisco arts commission has integrated a collection of vibrant new artworks by bay area artists into five new libraries, and there is more on the way. here is a closer look at some of the projects.

>> the branch library improvement program is a bond funded program undertaken by the san francisco public library to upgrade each of the branch libraries throughout the neighborhoods. one of the great benefits of this opportunity is that each of these branches has a unique artwork that has been created specifically for that branch, based on input from people who live near that branch, in the surrounding neighborhood. >> trur- minded. there was a lot of community support for the project. i try to make it about the true

hill and its history. they were something that natives used for making houses. the construction of the pond is based on abalone house construction. at the bottom of the form, it is woven into a rope which transforms into a manufactured rope. that is a reference to the cordish company, a big industry at the waterfront that went along with the shipbuilding industry. other examples of art work in libraries that you might be interested in seeing it is dana zed's glass shatters in front of a library. there are a wall sculptures in the lobby of the glen park

branch library. and then there is an illuminated book on the wall of the mission bay library. >> "ocean current." we are on ocean avenue, so there is a connection to that. that is what this is about. culmination of all lot of dialogue, processing over a five-year period. that is longer than most art projects take, but i really feel like the product was enriched from that. making the sculpture involves forging and fabricating steel. we used to deal to create this flowing, central sculptor, heating, bending, grinding, painting, bending, and adding a patina to it.