i think it's a legitimate point. we should definitely, i think, put some effort into reviewing the fee that are charged by planning. i think can i infer from part of what you said, director. it is plan who are telling what you those fees are. so i understand that. and you're merely following, executing, orders. since you are the collector of the fee, though, that's going to engage you in the process of trying to revisit the fee schedule. so i think it's a great idea that you have somebody come here who could explain the planning fees. i would point out that the last time that i looked at this, i wanted them to try and understand what the fees were. what initiated that was a similar discussion as the previous speaker, a fee that sounded rather absorb tent. and to be perfectly honest with

you, i ended up giving up on the process. the phone rang and i went on to the next item because it was just impossible. we all trying to understand how to read a cell phone bill and understand all the taxes. we usually give up and are just at the mercy of the big compingses -- corporations. but for something local as the planning department i don't think it's too much to ask that we have a fee schedule that is clearcut, easy to understand. as simple as a contractor might charge a client to do a job, time, materials, dollars per hours, whatever it is. it should be pretty straight forward, and it's not right now. so that should get put in there in the discussion that these fees are easy to understand for people to reference later. i think you'll probably find that the planning department are going to struggle a little bit to justify some of the fees. the last time i looked at it. and i'm looking forward to that discussion. thank you. chairman murphy: thank you. next speaker. seeing none.

>> we can move on to item number nine. commissioner's questions and matters. item 9-a. are there any inquiries to staff? commissioner lee: yes. i have one. chairman murphy: commissioner lee? commissioner lee: i was just wondering, when can we get that announcement -- >> we can't hear you. commissioner lee: we need to nominate people to the three subcommittees on the website. >> i have submitted it to the website. i will check again today when i go back. i looked this morning myself to see if it was on. i'll let you know later today. commissioner lee: thank you. chairman murphy: commissioner hechanova? commissioner hechanova: do we have an update on where the del mar issue is? chairman murphy: do you have an update on that, ann?

>> i spoke with -- that's an a.a.b. item. i spoke with francesca gessner because we were going to give a brief update. she said since it's been over a year that it would be good for the abatement appeals to have a hearing and to notice the building again and to have the people involved in 135 come forward for a full hearing so we'll do that on the november meeting. commissioner hechanova: and so they're notified? >> they will be notified. the building will be posted. yes. commissioner hechanova: thank you. >> anything else? chairman murphy: any further questions? seeing none. >> any public comments? >> hi, commissioners. i do want to commitment d.b.i. for the fifth floor it really

is a pleasure to go up there and to work. it's really neistly set up. -- nicely set up. it does work. i just wanted to commend the director and d.b.i. for providing that service that we have up on the fifth floor. i'm quite happy with it on that part of it. so thank you. chairman murphy: thank you. the only thing i'd like to say is -- thank you, vivian, director, for clarifying that our regular meetings all the ye customers going to be on a regular basis and all the department heads will be there, or the department heads that need to be there will be there. >> i cannot guarantee that the department heads will be here. they usually send representatives of the department.

actually, john comes from and kelly was attending at one point. i don't know who is scheduled to attend now from planning. barbara used to attend from d.p.w. i don't know if the new manager will. pu p.u.c. comes. the actual people that do the plan check comes from p.u.c. there and they're on staff. so i'm trying to get as many people. we have a representative from the health department that comes normally. chairman murphy: so do we have somebody coordinated to let people know when the meeting will be? >> yes. we have a regular agenda. we post the agenda. it's normally on the third thursday of every month. so we will have one on the 21st of this month. that's our next scheduled meeting. >> do we have an attendance sheet? >> we have the sign-in sheet

and the original b.p.r. sheet and we send out notices to all the b.p.r. people that were on it and as people join the list, they're added to the list. so we email the agenda out to everyone before the meeting. >> why don't we ask -- could we ask for a copy of the sign-in sheet and the distribution list for our next meeting and just for -- chairman murphy: have it in our package for each month? >> sure. >> that would be great. chairman murphy: that's all. >> yeah, that's no problem. we can also include the minutes from the meeting, too, if you want them in printed form. chairman murphy: yes, that would be great. >> they are online. chairman murphy: next item. >> 9-b, future meetings and agendas. >> hi. chairman murphy: commissioner clinch. commissioner clinch: we not meet on the 21st depending on the preferences. chairman murphy: any other comments, commoirs?

commissioner clinch: i can't attend on the 20th. >> ok, so our next meeting would be november 17. chairman murphy: majority has spoken. >> ok. all those in favor. >> aye. >> opposed. ok. item number 10 is adjournment. chairman murphy: motion to adjourn. >> second. s >> aye. >> all in favor. >> aye. >> thank you.

>> about four years ago, [inaudible] look at how beautiful this was. there is our relationship to the planet. these regions are the wealthiest, the most powerful. that really has impacted the planet. it is almost impossible now to go anywhere and had it really be completely dark. there are very few locations that you can find. that means our relationship to the sky, there is a way where we dominate the sky. we cannot see anything really. we are blinding ourselves in a way.

>> you can look at the images, they are beautiful. when i started four years ago, there was a conversation about environmental issues that was very different. this is not being talked about in the way it is now. . this has just been like an amazing growth. i anticipate the project to be something that opens a dialogue to public interest in these ideas. so the work is really made to

be seen in this environment. it's been show in museum, in gallery, but never in a public setting. and it's kind of ideal for both myself and the works to have this real dialogue with the public not only in san francisco but people coming from all over the world. >> since the dawn of electricity, that light is something that people feel connected to and inspired by. personally, there is space to keep that alive, just finding balance. the key is to find some balance.

>> lierse the general manager right here. thank you. it this is a meeting of the recreation and park cobb commission. >> commissioner buell. commissioner harrison. boneniia. >> present. >> lee. >> here. >> martin. i know commissioner lev ton is on her way. >> i'll make a couple of general

announcements. the ringing of cell phones and electronic devices are prohibited a the the meeting. we may remove anyone responsible for the sound producing devices. in order to have a fass tilt driven meeting, you may sign a blue card. each person may have two minutes to speak on each item. let's proceed. >> address your comments to the commission during public comments on items, in order to allow equal time for all, neither commission nor staff will answer questions during public comment. the commission may ask questions of staff after public comment is closed. we're on item number 2, which is

the president's report. >> thank you. >> i like to ask ernestine waters weis to please stand and come forward. i'm going to read something. this is the san francisco recreation and park commission certificate of appreciation to yweis throughwaters her leadership after the queark and the ensuing demolition of the freeway she initiated a transfer of the underlining, blocks two 0 -- 202 and 203 to the rec croo park department. her tireless efforts with community groups resulted in the creation of the park then known as ferry park. as open space in perpetuity protecting and preserving this

valuable land from development for the benefit of future generations. signed on thursday october 7th, 2010, mark buell president. [applause]

>> on behalf of my family that couldn't be here today and all of the wonderful individuals and community groups and friends, i want -- i want to thank you mark buell and everyone connected, you too margaret for the certificate of appreciation and for the creation of ferry park. it will be eternally remembered. i will be eternally grateful for this. i appreciate this so much on this day october 7th. thank you. thank you. >> let me make a couple of other announcements. one as you all know, we have been faced with receive bucket cuts. and -- budget cuts. the department never knows how much that will be but we know it is going to happen. that forced us to look at two options in how we balance the

budget, one is to let people go. that translates into gardners and reaction center directors and other staff. it means generating new revenue in the course of coming up with proposals to generate new revenue, it implies change in the parks. if i have learned anything in the last eight months, everyone wants to weigh in on the parks and they all have an opinion about them and how they operate and how they treasure them. anytime we propose to make changes and there's an item on the agenda that will reflect that. we're going to get enormous community comment. it is incumbent on the department more so than ever to reach out to the community and try to get input in a constructive and dependable way. i'm suggesting today and there's an item on the agenda that rather than hold two meetings each month for the recreation and park department that we go to one meeting per month except

in budget cycles. then we'll have special meetings on the budget. but two additional days added to the commission hearings. these will be committees that will be formed and give the public an opportunity to come and comment on items before they get to the commission for approval. so that it won't be the day of an item to be hearing the possible's input. there will be outreach in advance of that. there's a chance in a public arena to voice your opinions on issues in front of committees of the commission and this will be three members of the commission. if we have four it becomes an official body that -- that has to act and these will be committees. we have a zoo committee already. there will be two additional committees. there's a capital committee and operations committee. this is one step further in giving public notice of items

agendaed and giving them an opportunity to speak without the consequence of it being acted upon that day. that in -- one of the desires beyond the public input will be that it gives staff a chance to get more input so items may be modified to reflect community input before they reach the commission for final approval. so with that, i'm going to ask commissioner boneniia to weigh in on this because she inspired me to move in this direction and we'll speak later when it is on the agenda. >> thank you so much for this opportunity. during my first term we had this subcommittee structure in place and -- i was of the strong belief then and i am now that it served the public very, very well. and with -- would it al -- it allowed us to have that maybe we don't have as much of now and that is -- to -- it allowed us to get input and buy-in from the

communeity -- from the -- from the onset as opposed to after the fact. it also -- also allowed for the for the community or the public to drive the process in terms of the -- in terms of the problem solving, the ideas for revenue generating, the -- the needs, the priority needs. i'm delighted that -- that -- that the president of the commission -- has taken my input seriously and is -- and it -- will work towards -- and have -- is actually encouraging all of

us to work toward implementing the new process. that said i think it'll be incumbent on all of you to make every effort possible to go to the other committee mets and to -- and for you to make your comments early on and make sure that your comments are institutionized early on and that we have that staff and the commissioners have an opportunity to to explore your to look at your views and to explore how we take those views and -- you know in terms of doing the business of the of the department. >> let me make a couple of other announcementses about what is

being proposed. the capital committee would meet on the first wednesday of every month at 2:00 p.m. items before the capital committee would be those capital improvements. the operations com miltity would meet on the first thursday of each month at 2:00. items before the operations committee would be everything that is nonzoo related and noncapital related. the committees would be audio taped. the action that is occur in the committee would be posted online and recorded on the commission phone. we're not required to to do minutes of the meeting but there would be audio tape and those actions you would see reflected on the on the site. let's see. if an item goes to the full commission calendar, staff would need to note what occurred.

they could amend and improve hopefully that process. the committee chairs i'm going to ask to weigh in at commission meetings. and report back. the full commission would meet on the third thursday at each month at 2:00. and s.f.g.t.v. felt they could televise the full commission mets at that time. would they televise the committee meetings? we don't know the answer to that. it occurs to me that normally if we get a -- a seventh commissioner appointed or reappointed that that barrings my position, there's six other commissioners. i'm also proposing that two each serve on the committees and that i would volunteer to be the third person on the committees but not the chair of any of them. we would expect the other

commissioners to take an active role in that. commissioners to role in that. that would not put an undue burden on any one commissioners and i don't think increase the word load but district it differently. the last -- distribute it differently. the last about getting input and outreach is at the neighborhood park council meeting it was determined with the may -- mayor this last year, the neighborhood park council volunteered to be the convener of four meetings a year with the department and the public in four different locations in san francisco. we opted to accept that invitation, because we thought again given the budget restraints and the idea that change is going to take place and it never is easy that these meetings would be very productive. i'll characterize them as a listening tour, to hear what is

going on, and it is possible that it is also an opportunity to tell the public what kind of challenges we're facing and what kind of solutions we're thinking about. it is not designed as a vehicle to go to the community and tell you what we're doing, it is designed to listen to what you have to say and respond with the department's thinking. i want it to be taken in that vein. with that, that concludes those parts. harrison, a comment? >> do you want them now or at item 12? >> i think if we -- at item 12. we'll get everybody on the same page at the same time. the only other thing i wanted to say i was impressed with the opening of the kimbell playground and i think that happened after the last meeting. so i think that is geary and steiner. geary and pierce. i would recommend to anybody that wants to see a really

wonderfully restored play facility, fields and and right across the street from our newly renovated swimming pool, swimming facility that i recommended to everybody. with that let's move on with the agenda. >> any other public comment on the president's report? please come forward. >> two minutes. >> will the meetings be lelled this this room, the committee meetings? >> yes. >> any other public comment under the president's report? being none, public comment is closed for an item number three which is the general manager's report. >> good afternoon coom missioners. a few items to report. in addition to our second opening of our citi fields project at chem bell which is a

spectacular facility, i have other things to brief you on. back to rec 23450eu9. we had 3500 people flock to the rec center and swimming pool. when we started the open house at 33 swimming pools across the city. they were receiving information on how they could become more involved at their own rec facility. i personally stopped by a half a dozen sites on a two-hour tour. including lovey and mission which alone had more than 250 visitors playing sports and enjoying arts and crafts and enjoying barbecue. this was a very successful event that allowed us to connect with the community and provide information and outreach about our diverse range of programming. it is going to be a annual event every fall. hardly strictly bluegrass. >> as you know the past weekend,

music lovers were treated to the 10th annual bluegrass festival courtesy of warren hellmann and the most popular acts in the world. as you know, we have been lucky and blessed to be able to enjoy the gift for over a decade. an estimated half million people visited golden gate park during the concert. on saturday, mr. hellmann joined newsom on stage to announce another gift to the city. a nearly $75,000 gift for irrigation systems, where our irrigation systems are ant waited and unfortunately have been subject to vandism. and it will have improved fishingancy and access for the meadows to the public. i like to offer just the biggest thank you to mr. hellmann for what ah become a, special,

special, special event. every year we improve our partnership with the event producers, don holiday and we make improvements every single year in how the event functions and we're in the process of debriefing this year. we felt very good about the work that we did with them. >> as was reported, a bit of frustrating news to share. the nine-hole golf course was subject to senselings vandism. the green holes were damaged by a vehicle with the seventh green in particular destroyed, literally beyond all recognition. on monday night, we were actually revisited and the vandals were more brazen in their acts, this time bringing out kens and setting up a basically off-road course. to drive around. we have been working closely with the san francisco police department to identify and arrest -- try to arrest those responsible. we're asking the public and all of our park users to remain

vinllant and report cyst suspicious activity. 666-4000. or the anonymous tipline. 575-4444. the public can also send a text message to tip 411. early estimates are the damages total $75,000 and maybe as high as $100,000. again, as you noted, mr. bureblings that's money our department doesn't have. as we all know, we're in a tim of severely stretched resources. any dollars that we have to devote our attention to repairing damage, it is time and energy and resources taken away from our other valuable assets. we'll keep you posted on new developments. p.p.c., p.g.a. i should note before i go in this item that the p.g.a. was wondll