i'm at the bottom of lloyd street, a -- i'm a house away from the proposed construction. it is a four-story building with a penthouse, roof decks and -- on a very narrow and very steep street. if i play -- they show either side of the street.

it will rob the neighborhood. it will rob the character by mass and also by stein. i am directly affected by this building as you will see through these pictures. this is the view of my backyard right now. look through the light and to the sky. and this is -- what it will look like. so, i won't take a lot of your time. we know it is getting late. i'm a banker, i think it it can be made -- economically, financially, vital project with three-story building and which something, which all neighbors

can live and be happy with. i constitution for -- thank you for your consideration. thank you. >> sue hester, i'm the attorney for the neighbors. i want to show you this shot which -- which shows the -- the breadth of support. every person here that is blue has sent a letter in the packet. so -- they're all numbers. this is the green space we're talking about. it is very unusual to have a large green space like this, in this & and it is 130 years old. i want to point that out. what you can't see on a nat overhead is the slope of the hill. this is an extremely narrow street, it is 29 feet. it is really narrow. it is one way and one block. this is been vista hill.

the houses are built in to the hill. then you go to 1 scott street. every house on scott street is built into the hill, they look like a three-story building from scott street. the first story is a garage. you go up one level to get to the living level which is level with the backyard. this is the last document in the brief i submitted. this is the last development by this -- this development team on a flat on oakwood in the mission district. it looks the same. what is the difference between this project and the one you have before you and this is a flat site. in the mission district. this site on lloyd street is just the opposite.

it is an extremely hilly site that has 1350-year-old character. no one is saying and -- i really ask my clients, what did you want, not one person has said we don't want something to be built on this site, even though it is a really important garden from them. they understand someone is going to build there. all they want is it to be scaled down. there are no four-story buildings on this block. this -- mr. -- the house is to the east. it looks tall. the footprint is 25 by 25 and it has a -- i don't know what you call those roof pitches. i'm not an architect, i have this big hole in my knowledge. it has these really steep pitches. according to the planning code, his height is 34 feet.

not 40 feet three-quarters inch. 45 lloyd is low and long. the developer wants to have four stories and he should have three stories at the most. thank you. if not, project sponsor. >> good owning commissioners. todd mavis, project sponsor. i like the full disclosure to say i'm on the human rights commission. former san francisco city supervisor harvey milk once said, the american dream starts in the neighborhoods.

he realized the importance of having strong, dive verse, well thought through neighborhoods. and -- this quote may seem familiar to you, because it is on the side of the harvey milk recreation center, which is half a block away from the proposed building. i see it every day daye almost, when i walk my two dogs, biso and chloe. what i like to make clear is this neighborhood is extremely important to us as well. we live here. we want to make sure that our new building is going to fit in well with the context of the neighborhood. we thought through this building extensively. it has met the planning code and the priority plan of the city and the historic review. there are no exceptional circumstances which warrant taking discretionary review. we made numerous changes and modifications to the building to make it compatible with the neighborhood.

there are two pictures depicting the proposed new building. we set back the building six feet from the sidewalk. we raised the entry. we set back the forward rails that are on the fourth floor deck and roof deck three feet as requested. we notched the southeast corner of the building on the third and fourth floor in the back, five feet by 12 feet. we have also -- we have also -- made sure this the -- that the roof line of the building is compatible with the rest of the neighborhood and please remember that the -- the attorney for -- for the neighbors have also stipulated they're not against a contemporary style building if the neighborhood. i also like to point out that -- we have extensive neighborhood support, three neighborhood associations have said that they do not oppose our project. and the neighborhood association where this building is being proposed, the post triangle neighborhood association does

not oppose our project. we have 159 people signing our petition of support for the building. and we have met with our neighbors to make sure that we tried to incorporate as many of their ideas as possible, 16 times over many months and i met with 62 people. this building is compatible with the neighborhood. the building directly next door is a 40-foot tall building. mr. dunn's building. it is surveyed by our surveyor, the building to the right of the proposed site is only two feet seven inches shorter than our proposed building. the fourth floor set back, 21 feet from the sidewalk. on lloyd street, there are -- there are two other four-story buildings on the corners here marked. there are also five other buildings that are 35 feet tall on lloyd street alone.

i also like to point out that most of the buildings in a one block radius are -- radius are 40 feet or higher. this is in your packet and shows the pictures in a one block radius. i want to point out this is consistent with the residential design guidelines and the historic evaluation report. the reason we proposed a four-story building is to have two unit that is are family sized that have three bedrooms each. this fits as well with the housing element of san francisco and the priority policy 11.8 which supports taking full advantage of allowable density. i also like to point out that the lot is zoned for three units, however, we reduced the density to two units. this is perfect for families because it is close to public transportation and other amenities like parks. the proposed building is knot

large. each unit is under 2,000 square feet each. and most of the d.r. applicants i would point out live in buildings that are larger than ours. if you look at the buildings on scott street are enormous. the building that is adjacent has a popout. the other buildings are larger but they're three stories. keep in mind that the mid block open space that yow see here is composed of five properties. one of which is ours. we maintain, the mid block open space where even else is basically making use of our lot for their own private garden. for all of these reasons, i urge you to please consider not taking the d.r. and approve the project as proposed. thank you.

>> thank you for the opportunity to support the project. my name is javier. i'm not a native san franciscan but after 13 years, i feel like one. i live in a high-rise, i enjoy high-rise living and love knowing a lot of my neighbors. whf i hear of a new baby in the building, i'm both excited and saddened saddened because another neighbor will leave my building. in recon, we don't have -- don't have the amenities that a young family needs. typically in three years, they're gone. also my building has only 11 three bedroom units out of i believe 226, making raising a family difficult in my neighborhood. this project will give two families the option it not only stay in the city, but to enjoy the great amenities that the

park has to offer. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> project architect. i want you to know i'm available for questions if you have them. thank you. >> good evening, luke o'brien, coalition for responsible growth. also, i -- a fellow commissioner on the small business commission for the purposes of disclosure. contrary to something that was suggested earlier, the sponsors are for the outside attempting to make a fast buck. i thought that was a bit unfortunate. kind of paradoxical when i'm hearing testimony from members of -- of the city and county of san mateo and from fellows that don't even live in san francisco. that's kind of ironic that on the same side would be classifying others as outsiders who are actually commissioners,

serving like yourself. that be it, as it play, i -- may, i would like to read a letter from a member of the naked. it is worded as follows. i have carefully reviewed the section 311 neighborhood notification drawings that were mailed to me. i support the project as proposed at 3739 lloyd street. specifically i support details such as the fourth floor, the stairway penthouse decks and variance requests to remain unmodified. moreover my own property at 1 scott street is four stories and 40 feet tall has a penthouse and rear yard and rooftop decks. it spans my lot with a zero rear yard setback, my property among many other properties on the block with its noncannot forming character is an important example of a substantial property right that will not be preserved and enjoyed by 3739 lloyd street and the request is

not granted to that project. indeed to paper tape neighborhood character, the variance must be granted at 3739 lloyd street. please approve the project as proposed, respectfully benecol lynns, number 1 scott street. i would add that i thought that the -- that the photographs were -- were somewhat strategic in their presentation. the photograph that was showing the roof over the neighbor's house, and then the photograph that showed what it would look like with just three stories, the -- the proposed project basically disappeared and it was taken from a very strategic vantage point. i think if you were to just walk down that street knowing nothing about the history of the hearing that you heard tonight that referenced new zealand and everywhere else and took a guy in and sent him walking down the street along the sidewalk because this thing is set back so well from the sidewalk, he probably wouldn't observe the

building this as it is. it will affect the neighbors directly there. that's a function of math and fizz section. there's nothing we could do about that. thank you. >> good evening commissioners. my name is ted lownburg, i'm a member of the hate ashbury improvement association. i want to talk to you about the prooge he can't as well. i support the project. i think it is a -- a welcome addition to the community. i want to say first, i -- i took offense frankly at the demonizing here of todd and kevin in their efforts to build housing. the comments about dark and monster homes, et cetera were just over the top and really had no place in this discussion. people wanted to dispute the merits of this fine, but -- really, unnecessary to -- to demonize this in such a negative way. housing as you know is the -- is the critical issue in this city.

it -- it comes up again and again and people who build more housing are solving that problem. that's what these men are doing. they played by the rules. they worked with the neighbors over a extended period of time to change and accommodate the building to their concerns. you know, the world has changed since -- since -- in the last 100 years, we don't build the little victorian cot tanls anymore for a variety of -- variety of reasons, economic among them. it is also important to note that the -- that the med dal senior -- medical center nearby wants to establish a -- a world class stroke agreement center at that campus. and in order to do that, you also have to have some things happen around, you have to have a vibrant community that provides services that -- that are needed by people who live

there and work at that facility. you have to have housing, quality housing that will attract that kind of top quality professionals who will be working at that facility and that is what this -- that's what this house will do. it'll be -- serve as an atwractive place for people that want to be at that -- that davies center. you know, i think -- generally we -- we, the concept that we can't go forward in san francisco was presented here. we have to sort of stop everything and freeze it in its place. that just doesn't fly in terms of the development that this city has to go through in the long-term. todd and kevin had been doing the right thing. they have been playing by the rules, they -- they really are adding to -- to san francisco and -- you know, the -- taking the oy taking a d.r. on this request would only prove that no good deed goes unpunished. i urge you to -- to reject the

d.r. on this. thank you. >> daniel fernandez. i'm a realtor and i'm seek -- speaking to this project today from the real estate perspective and a perm perspective having known kevin and todd for several years and seeing the projects they have built in the area at large. what i like to say is they develop a high quality standard of housing and it is the kind of project, it is in short supply in the neighborhood, it does draw families and in the end, my belief is their work has brought net positive value to the neighborhood. i urge you to support the project. >> good evening. thank you for taking the time to

hear me. thank you for taking the time to hear me. i'm here -- my name is will ohio and i have been san franciscan for about 10 years. and -- i live in this -- this south of market area. and in the 10 years that i been here, i -- i become the uncle of many unrelated kids. that's my main concern that san francisco is a city that only welcomes couples, single people and people that can live in two bedroom units. and when i see a neighborhood like this that has parks that i use often, with my dog and my friend's kids and that has facilities like a hospital and the medical center and the art center, i would like to see more units this -- that can accommodate not large families but more than one kid. ? we use -- we use the size of this -- these apartments or condos it will be mostly for small families and we want to see more kids. we want to see a more vibrant

community. we want to see more diversity. and that is all i wanted to say. i would like to see these type of units, more welcome to large families or mid size families. >> hello,. my name is kevin chang. in the interest of disclosure, i like to speak twon items. i'm a commissioner on public utilities com pigs and for -- for -- for the instance of my friend danny fernandez, he is a friend. he's a realtor, however, he's not a broker representing our projects. in the interest of full disclosure. what i like to do to round out the conversation tonight is -- to reintroduce the following graphic. and let's take a bit of tile to

look at the density and the mass and the scale of buildings in this neighborhood. it is considerable. i don't think any of these neighbors can say their house is small. their house is clean, their house is so sizeably different than what is being proposed on the project. in fact if you were to see the three dimension drawings that we provide that show our project, it will be one of the smaur ones in the neighborhood based on the visual satellite photo that you can see. look at -- across the street right here. built, lot line to lot line. massive. no setbacks what solver. look across the street uphill. massive. a setback on the side. nonthat could be said to not detract from the mass and nature of the buildings. i want to have the commission play a particular attention to

that. next i like introduce the group to the commission, the scale of the building, the height of the building, excuse me. what has been noticed here by some of the supporters of the d. rflt applicants is that this building will stand out and it would not conform to the topography of the street. what i like to point out is this has a 21-foot setback. the building is set back six feet and the fourth floor set back 15. when you compare that to the building up here, you could see clearly our building on. fourth floor is lower. than that building. it is following the topography of the street when it is lower than the uphill buildings,

that's following the topography. i like to mention another point. there are two that weighed in on the height of the building and the relation to the neighborhood. that's the residential design team and the major environmental analysis team if the historical resources evaluation report and both of them have said separately that the project as proposed preserves the scale of the street. i ask you to approve the project about joop stay with the project. if not d.r. requesters you have two minutes. >> joe butler rebutting for ann. first i like to ask the supporters that came tonight from lloyd street but did not speak to raise their hand.

the neighbors from lloyd street don't have financial interest in real estate for development and they live in the neighborhood. we would like you to take d.r. tonight. i think we demonstrated that the scale of the building is out of context with its neighbors. we like you to limit the height to three stories. we like you to match the light well if chris volcker's house. it is a new building. even larry badener would say you don't grant variances for a -- new buildings. they're meant for buildings that can't comply for one reason or another. we like you to submerge the roof access and step the property lines back and require roof assemblies so we could eliminate pair puts to hold the height down. in my brief, we offered to trade the five-foot side setbacks and the popout in the back for the

-- for the -- for the top floor. other neighbors prefer that not to happen. we leave it in your hands, we hope you'll take discretionry review. thank you so much. >> sue hester. i want to draw your attention to the outline in the final plans where finally the staff said, you have to show the stuff on the roof. this is the only drawing. i'm astonished that coming into this hearing what you're hearing from sponsor is is totally misleading information on heights. don't they learn the height of this building which is 25 by

25-foot print is 4 feet. not the height they say. there is only going to be four feet 3 1/2 inches. this is mr. vol kerr's building, his building is 21 feet high under the planning code. they still have as 32 feet seven inches and they talk about it as though this doesn't exist and they have the correct heights. you need to look at in terms of how it blows through the residential design guidelines. what i like to offer on the variances, as mr. butler said, the most residents is willing to take a two-story pop-up that goes lot line to lot line. how often have you heard that? people make those offers. he doesn't want to husband privacy.

he said they could have the volume. we're saying that one of the alternatives is to increase the variance to allow them to do two stories of 12-foot popout in exchange for no fourth floor and a submerged -- submerged entrance stair way to the roof. he's 15euing, it is okay to have a roof deck. that's pretty generous. you pitched battles on that all the time. we're say, they could have the square feet and go lotline to lot line. as along as they get rid of the story and do not infringe on their neighbor's privacy. thank you. just a couple of points. the -- the sponsor is -- presentations tonight basically repeated everything they said before. we have clearly shown -- as sue said, you don't measure heights at the peek.

trying to compare a building they want to build on lloyd street to something on cass strow or scott, streets twice as wide as ours and many of them are -- are flat as well, it is just not appropriate. i think in regards to their strong neighborhood support that they're trying to claim, i think our -- our output tonight as well as the letters and -- if you see the map of where our support is, i think it is cheer that the -- that the neighborhood is behind the d.r. requesters. finally, they -- they said that they think our renderings are stwreak, i tried to show it from -- strategic -- i tried to show you from every vantage point. i show you a different drawing. this was done by the developer's architect. it is kind of -- which clearly shows how much taller it is than the other buildings. so, if -- if we are doing a strategic rendersion, i don't

think they could say the same about this one. if there are other rendersion they like to see, could generate them. thank you for your time and -- please support the d.r. request. thank you. >> sponsor. >> commissioners, i like to remind you that the neighbors, the d.r. requesters have not proven or shown any extraordinary or exceptional circumstances that warrant taking d.r. these also point out that elizabeth street which you heard tonight is a far steeper street than lloyd street. lloyd street is a walkable street. some of you have walked it. i also like to point out that the neighbors have never disputed the fact that we met the various priority and planning and housing element that is are important to san francisco. and also the importance of providing family sized housing with three bedrooms in each