owner signing the petition? >> who has not signed? supervisor avalos: in terms of a major property owner. >> that is not sitting down, correct? supervisor avalos: that is not city alone. >> the bank of america owns a building on market street between 11th and 10th. that is a property owner with a complex structure for decision making. they are in north carolina. we have kind of gone through the local management company for responding, but they have to send it to north carolina for the final approval. supervisor avalos: i would imagine that with other community benefits district growing, what has been the history of their participation in san francisco? >> a good question.

i would have to verify this, but the smaller branches did vote in favor of participating in that particular c b v. supervisor avalos: running up the corporate ladder as well? >> i would assume so. but sometimes the bank ownership changes since then. i do not know if it is the same decision making structure that used to be. supervisor avalos: i am being told that they have not signed in west portal. citing a condition for one on to the other. any other major property owners that are pending?

>> i am sure that there are. that would be one of the largest ones. there is a portion of the plaza that has not weighed in, owned by several entities. i know that one has weighed in, but i am not sure that all the parcels have. supervisor avalos: there is a commercial side and a residential side? >> right. going down the list, we have broad reach. supervisor avalos: does the city on any property in fox plaza? >> we lease. the office plaza component has weighed in, but the residential

component has not. supervisor elsbernd: are you just a leaseholder, mr. rose? [laughter] >> if i was owning the fox plaza, a supervisor, i would probably not be here today. supervisor elsbernd: i think you still would be. [laughter] >> we have received responses from the majority of a large property owners. really is that we're still getting responses for the rest of the district. supervisor avalos: would you say that the predominant remaining are residential? the residential seems to be more opposed than the commercial side, correct? >> i could not make that general statement at this point. the significant residential buildings, they have support.

i mean, honestly, i do not know if the majority are residential or commercial outstanding. i could find that out for you. supervisor avalos: we currently have existing city services to what will be provided by the community benefit district. i know that we have another time that we will approve it when it comes to a vote. what do we expect to happen with the existing services being provided? are we talking about their baseline on top of that? or is there a plan that the cbc would replace workers and functions that the city currently has? that is also a consideration that we have about wanting to

authorize. we are looking at a handsome services and how i have been promoting see media around the city, in my district and elsewhere. what is in the works? >> thank you for asking. that important point does come up in this district and others. under the state law, these services are beesupplemental. not to replace existing services. additionally, the city cannot reduce existing services because of a special district. those are very clear. so, if anyone shows a correlation between city jobs and services being cut because

of that, that is a problem. >> is that a requirement that the service not be cut in the area of the bid or for the entire city? >> you cannot cut services if a bid is in place. if you were to cut services city-wide ended did not have to do with the services provided, that is a different story. of course, you have the right to make budget cuts in any given year. but those services are supplemental, above and beyond what the city provides. if you look at the nature of the proposed services, they have nothing to do with the city. the majority of those services proposed are not provided by any department. when you look at cleaning, that is probably the one with it the

most similarities. they have to get the schedule of the vw services before they propose cleaning services. they cannot replace existing services. they do above and beyond what the vw would not do, which is sidewalk cleaning and the responsibility of the property owner. those are the types of cleaning services that cd can provide. supervisor elsbernd: but none of those are being provided here? >> graffiti removal, yes. in one of the zones more intensely. in two of the zones, it is on call as needed. supervisor avalos: other services are being provided by the arts commission, those are

all? >> that would continue. supervisor avalos: the question of cutting the budget city-wide, does that mean -- not that i want to -- that we have the ability to eliminate those services that could later be replaced by cb the services because we are making budgetary service decisions? >> the ones in the plan cannot change. whatever is agreed to buy the property owner is the service it provides in the category. >> what -- supervisor avalos: what does that mean in terms of the asian art museum? they have security officers there.

with security office to detail maintained. >> as they exist, they would remain. there are proposing, but part of the security personnel is part of the executive director's function. supervisor avalos: not considered a security challenge? >> activators are not security services, they provide multiple services but do not replace building security, they grow them where to go, providing information and referrals to all of the people of the district. they do not replace building

security. they do not stay posted. but they do and it would help right now the security system and it would remain at that level. supervisor elsbernd: you cannot say that. you are talking about the cbc budget, but at some point some mayor is going to induce a prop j at the museum and the mayor is not precluded. am i right? and i wanted to be careful

saying that this will never have been. >> what i meant to say was that the cut would not be and that is different, you are right. supervisor avalos: this memorandum we just got from recreations and parts opened my eyes, saying that this one will have to pay $32,000. i love to know the total amount that they have to pay for fuel live to the city. if this little one is 32, i would love to know that number. i think it gets to what some of the chair is talking about. a quarter of a million dollars to the barge department is significant money.

once these things are approved, we really cannot an inappropriate -- de-appropriate. so, i am merely starting to get hesitant with the process we have going on, where we do it one by one without stepping back to look at the big picture and what it is doing with impact. supervisor avalos: this one is such a preponderant of civic buildings, that is a part of it. you are talking about carving out portions of every department when, in fact, we are trying to build flexibility into the budget. supervisor elsbernd: this state

building, this is a part of it? >> yes. supervisor elsbernd: have they voted? who is going to vote? >> they have a process for voting. the courts have not weighed in. supervisor elsbernd: i mean the building that was just sold. >> they have appointed a fire, the transaction is not complete. -- have appointed a buyer, the transaction is not complete. supervisor avalos: they are based out of texas. >> the way that the state law is written, if this service benefits the property owner, no matter state or private, they are requisitioned to participate. by creating a more vibrant space

and attracted district, the intend this to increase parking and usage of that night when people currently are not using it. supervisor elsbernd: this is the garage right here? >> yes. making it more vibrant, talkative, an ambassador for visitors. supervisor elsbernd: i would also be curious if you could tabulate the mta. and then just, to the chair, on this one i am happy to let this item go to petition, but to reiterate what i said, if the majority of private property owners do not vote for this, i

will not vote for it. that is what i did in practice three years ago when we established the one down by moma. all of the people that own private property voted against it. it was the only time that i voted with aaron and chris. but if a majority of property owners to not vote for it, i will love boat to establish it. that said, i am happy to let this petition go forward, but very dubious. supervisor avalos: i have similar concerns. mostly based on how much the civic center property and other properties are a part of the petition process. it would make a big difference

for me. let's open this up for public comment. supervisor elsbernd: total city departments, how much would the city and county have to pay just for this? what is the annual cost? >> i have some of that answer for you. supervisor elsbernd: just a big number, do not break it down. >> i would have to add it together. board of supervisors, $106,000. under enterprise in the exclusive jurisdiction, $72,000. that comprises about one-third of the overall proposal.

>> -- supervisor elsbernd: 4 that the city is again going to get this ambassador program? forget about the cbc. if this were some budget proposal on the regular budget and there was a line item 4 a quarter of a million dollars for a service, i do not know that it would make it through the budget process. if it was an ad that i do not know it would make it. supervisor avalos: let's open this for public comment. i have two cards. >> just for purposes of identification, i work for san francisco library but am speaking on my own behalf.

i am asking you to slow down the city's participation. i think that we need to think carefully. the questions that you just made were some of the same ones i have. i just found out about this very recently and have been doing research. in my library and and i know where to look. i would be happy to share them with you. i sent citations to both of you yesterday and i have hard copies of an update as well. but i think it is unusual to do one of these districts in the central civics center space of a city. i understand usually governments are not usually included in such a thing, as they are meant to improve business in a different way. i think that the statement that one of you just made about passing this off, mostly it sounds like what we will get our

these ambassadors. it seems to me that the city should remove itself from this business district improvement, whenever we are calling it. benefit district. spending its own money instead of taxing itself, spending its own money on services deemed necessary and desirable. is that the time? supervisor avalos: you have more time. >> i spent my entire day presiding over public space. we know that what i have to do is make sure that bad actors do not aggregate the rights of others. but that includes not only the homeless, the drunk, or the noisy. i want to make sure that we have a lot more activity in this whole thing. -- equitable action in this

whole thing. >> the library chapter contacted me for some of the reasons articulated. encroachment of what they would consider the public comments -- public commons. that being said, i agree with supervisor els brand, has gone through the normal process i am not sure either. i do not know that it would make it. it is challenging that this is being slid to the back door. i also agree with the conversation about their meeting to be bigger conversation regarding city services and having a holistic conversation about how these things are going forward and what these things are the we are creating.

in these budgetary times, i think it is worth taking a step back. i would urge the supervisors to continue the item in have a bigger conversation. in budgetary times, every penny makes a difference and can make the difference between a senior meal program with its light on. i am happy that there is an ambassador program, but is this the most cost-effective way of using resources when vital city services are being cut? i wanted to urge you to not simply rushes forward and take the time to have this holistic conversation about this being supported as a part of the normal budget process. i do not think he would. so, what does that mean? thank you for your time and taking a look at this. it is a disturbing pattern.

this is something i have been very proud to work with our union on. they have a strong presence in this thing that we called the civic center, which is where you are. thank you. supervisor avalos: thank you. any other member of the public that would like to comment on item number eight? if not, we will close public comment. [unintelligible] i would like to follow up on a question. my full pack it is not here, but with regards to the ambassador services, please provide description of major services. >> absolutely. and i provided full description of power point on record at the last meeting. so, i was not planning on doing

that today. just to recap, a summary of what i presented at the last meeting, there are three service zones. one of the most important services that this will provide is an organization that does not exist right now to coordinate all of the privately-owned buildings with all of the publicly owned buildings, to coordinate all of the property owners with lessees and residence. this does not exist today and it is sorely needed, some entity to bring together all of the components of the district. it has to come from a private public partnership. but there are policy issues and advocacy issues, as well as fund raising and special projects that need to be managed by an entity other than the city.

this kind of public-private partnership, the city cannot do it on its own. we are talking about the city being potentially one-third of the district, leveraging assessments from the other 2/3's of the district. these funds would not be available if the city acted on its own and not through c b v. we are leveraging money, bringing more to invest in improving the district. by our decision we are leveraging another 2/3. additional services are management of the district as a whole advocacy community building. deification, capital improvements have been proposed. as we talked about last time in public spaces where furniture is needed or other types of capital improvements, it can be

installed and maintained. the sidewalk in front of buildings, keeping them free of graffiti, currently not a city responsibility, that needs to be done better. there is activation of public and open spaces to make the neighborhood be more vibrant and positive. so, at the areas where the most dangerous, such as the muni stations, these proposals will help. we do have police patrols of the district. limited foot patrol. that is a baseline of service that would not go away. ambassador services would not be replacing police at all. they would provide multiple

services to call in issues for which the police could not be there at that moment. so that the police could get there and know about the issues. but the ambassadors have to do much more than simply watch out for crime. they have to help make the district seem more alive, be a presence that people can go to, someone in the public's face was a health. they also promote what is going on in the district, providing information to people in the district, connecting them with other resources in the district. supervisor avalos: just a question -- is the corner of grove and franklin a part of the area that is cb b? the arts performing arts parking lot? >> yes. on that block, yes.

the performing arts garage in particular is supposed to be in that district. >> across the street? >> yes. supervisor avalos: are they signing on? >> i do not believe that they return to the petition, but i will find out. supervisor elsbernd: it extends all the way down to hayes, does it not? >> there was a proposal that the bid to frank and goth. several were supervisor avalos: in: great -- several were in favor. supervisor avalos: great, thank you. i am ok moving this forward without recommendation, that is my preference. i know that we have another bite at the apple to finally approve

this he beat the if it gets to that level. i expect that we will. any member of the public that has not spoken? we will close public comment. >> supervisor, when it comes to something like this, i came here just because you called it again. these are gimmicks. this data collected from these districts and it will come to

haunt us. there are so many buildings that have not been alluded to. one of the other factors -- what about trinity plaza? how will we find out the percentage of the tenants that are for it or against it? how will this impact the farmers' market? who has done an evaluation on these so-called ambassadors? what kind of training do they get? will little i have heard about the type of training that they get came under administrative office. all of these things have to