internalize this approach? supervisor supervisor maxwell: just the fact that you mentioned arts and culture. we are surrounded by water on three sides. some of our art should mention that. it should be above ground, and it should also be educational. it is nice that it is around the city, but i think there should be a little bit more of a program approach to the arts and culture, as it has to do with the puc and water and educating people on what we do and how we do it because it is so important. i hope you were going to have that discussion. if we do it quick, i can help you, and if not, my colleagues here will probably be more than willing to get involved in that art and culture as it relates to the puc and water. supervisor mar: can i just add

to commissioner ellis, i just really appreciate your activism and advocacy. it will be so great to really change the culture and really help transform the organization, but i think it is good that the report acknowledges all the things that have happened. i would not know hardly anything about the sewer system unless tommy walked me through with tyrone and others in the west side plan, but i know that it is inevitable complete judy east side plant, so that is why the ssip and others are in improving social equity and justice around the country. besides the art and culture, which i think people need to be more aware of the resources that continue to vivifying and making things more livable, i think that the education that the pc uses right now should be more widely available. i have the map of the sewer

system available in my office, and it helps me educate my kid as one person, but the school system needs to be tied in, so i'm glad that is a good part of the outcomes, in the work force development, also on the west side, to have access to mean jobs that are living wage jobs with great benefits, so it all ties in nicely together with outcomes. the hard part is implementation. that is why i look forward to the planning process. thank you for the great work. >> i also think that education should be number one. we have educated populace of the city so we can continue with these programs and continue passing the bond. my enthusiasm is because we have seen the story. i know you can watch on television sometimes if it is late night, but just that map of our watershed -- it is amazing,

and it should be out, and that could be some of the chart you do. that could be one of the things we think about the way people have contributed the history of it, but i think education is extremely important. i also again before we leave today for somebody has some figures. when we look at our bond, $4 billion here and $6 billion there, that is a lot of money. i think a percentage of that should come back to the community. everybody in the community should feel all that money they have spent that they are being paid for. there should be a bigger opportunity for education. i know you all had a program where you would go at one school in my district where people came, and people had to guess what they did. police came, and they talked

about what you need to do to be a police officer, but the puc headed that program. it was really remarkable. more of that should be done in all of our schools. but you all really did it, and i do not know what you are continuing to do it, but that is something that should be -- you are, tommy? good. that is something that should really be going on. juliet, again, smart move on ed's part. juliet is brilliant with the community and people in mind. so i think what we are going to see is a new dawning for the puc. they have already been there, but this is just going to take them over the home. welcome to san francisco. welcome to e p u c, and i know you are going to do well on a

new work -- welcome to the puc, and i know you are going to do well on your work. >> we do not have an exact number for you today. part of it is the definition for community benefits. we have to refine the definition, and we can refine what we are spending on it. we know the budget for the puc is roughly $700 million a year. the sewer system improvement program is going to be $4 billion to $6 billion. those are the bonds. those are eight to 10-year numbers in both cases. we know that there are specific programs we do -- the garden project, will spend $1.5 billion every year. a lot of that stuff is very separate and very easy to track. there are other cases where should we build the recycling plant, we are building the community to be part of that. supervisor maxwell: you said if?

>> we would have to go through the process before i can make any kind of assurances here in our plan would deal with the education process of what goes on in the building. how you use water, how you recycle water. we are building the educational things into our projects as we build them, so that are not separate or discreet. supervisor mar: i was talking with suzanne about the public engagement process around the golden gate park issue. i just think that hearings are important, but also really getting into even schools as supervisor maxwell was saying or meeting one on one with community-based groups that have a state or interest-of -- a stake or interest.

>> we have a lot of discussions. we have been doing the official out reach that you have to do, but we have been having a lot of other discussions with folks. we will continue working through the environmental review process to make sure that people are aware of what we are doing and aware of all the aspects of what we are doing, but it is an example of a number of cases. we will be rebuilding our yard in sunol and as part of that, we will be rebuilding the community gardens out there. as part of that, talk about where the water comes from, how it all works, how that happens, so we are building the education. tomorrow, we are doing a press conference at the school because today, we announced $100,000 in grants to six schools, pretty much focused on storm water kinds of issues, so we really are getting -- tommy's goal, i think, is to buy a school bus because we have so many tourists

at this point that one of the problems is getting the kids out to our facility. supervisor maxwell: i would like tommy to come up, but not until you finish. i think that is an extremely important idea because not only are we doing it with the kids, but they will be the rate payers in the future. we're looking at the next hundred years. what does that vision looks like? we need to get them on and on with it, so i think it is a good idea, not only for san francisco kids, but all of our rate payers. who are our rate payers? what does that mean? >> the water department serves 2.5 million people. 800,000 are direct retail customers in san francisco. we sell water wholesaled to 26 agencies that in turn sell to their customers. it starts over in hayward in the

east bay coming down through southern alameda in the santa clara county portions. pretty much the entire san mateo county group of cities are all customers of the puc. that is for water. with water is very much only in san francisco, and power is focused only on municipal customers for now -- wastewater is very much only in san francisco. >> -- supervisor maxwell: you mentioned that you sell water to agencies. are all of these agencies municipal agencies? >> there is one company that provides water to several communities on the peninsula, and we sell water to them. no hetch hetchy water is allowed to be provided to a for-profit. about 15% of our water is locally generated in local watersheds, so that is the limit of what we can sell. 85% must go to a governmental

non-profit. that is our limit. supervisor maxwell: i see here you mentioned san mateo county. is that the -- silver springs, is that where -- >> crystal springs reservoir. pretty much everyone in san mateo county uses hetch hetchy water. some cities have some wells, so they have some additional ground water. when you get down toward santa clara, they have other additional sources, so we provide about 9 million gallons a day. they get delta water. they get local water down there. hayward and some of the other places in east bay also get water from other agencies, but we are the primary provider for most of our faults. supervisor maxwell: do we have any community benefits programs? >> we are working with the bay area water supply and

conservation agency on a number of things. they have their own water supply program that will give you rebates for toilets for washing machines, those kinds of things. we tend to do that in san francisco, and they tend to do that for their agencies. the community of sunol is a retail customer of ours. that is where we have gardens, and that is where we are doing a variety of things. we own roughly 60 square miles of land in the area, so we have a lot of impacts in that community, and we will have major impact in the next few years for construction on our game, on our water treatment facility over there, a lot of hype line. there is a lot of our trucks going through. we happen to own the parking lot for a certain period we are really involved -- we happen to

own the parking lot for a school. we are really involved. we are planning on a community center of in another that will allow us to educate people coming into the head key watershed on what it is we do but also allow for other benefits to have a place where people do those things. >> also, a little bit about what is going on with our programs at the southeast center. i know people are concerned about some of the people who are there. they have some issues on the 9910 program, which was a really great program and something we need to do a better job of because a lot our kids could maybe go into that program.

also a little bit about waste water -- there is only a small portion, i think 6% of our country uses waste water the way we do, and i believe there are four states -- california, florida, and two others i do not know about, but with water is certainly something that we are ahead of the curve on, but we need to impregnate everyone else with that idea. >> good afternoon. thank you for having us here today. we are honored to be here. first of all, let me just say there is no new water. the water you were drinking today is the same water that our forefathers used. let's just start there.

i want to talk briefly about our educational program. we have had several meetings with the school district of san francisco to foot a curriculum together for k-3 and 6-6. these are the future ratepayers. 80% of people in san francisco, if you ask them where their waste water goes, they have no idea. part of our educational process was to take the supervises out there. what you find is in san francisco, they are a lot more aware. they are environmentally conscious. we ask for voluntary cutbacks on water, but they cut some outrageous amount that lowers our revenues. to keep grease out of the traps any fights, that helps us. that prevents all the stuff from coming to the treatment plants. and he turned it into by a

diesel. these new program, i think, is where we should start. i think we need to do that early. when i realized how important, how powerful kids are in educating their parents -- 15 years ago, very few people were seat belts. my child, her first day in kindergarten, wanted me to put on the seat belt because the teacher told her that if your daddy does not wear a seat belt on the way home, you get into an accident, he could get seriously hurt for be gone, so i started wearing seat belts. i believe that if our kids know where the water comes from, how precious the water is, and where it goes, it will protect all of us in the future, and they certainly will be much more educated than us today. i think we need to start there. if we're looking into all the

problems with the school district, how do we make that happen? i know they have a hard time because they love to go to the zoo. we have a treatment plant underneath the zoo. how can we make that transition happen? so the school district is meeting again next week with our h. r. director, and there are folks putting together the program. we are all ready partnering with some -- already partnering with some union folks to teach a class at the high school. this is facilities maintenance that has to do with water. at that point, it is a little bit late. we need to get them early. how many of us are tired of looking at the statistics that

the u.s. is 25th or 30th in math and science? we need to get the children interested. not just waste water plant operators but chemists, ph.d. doing all this research for us. we can help with that. everything in with water and water, a lot of math involved. we deal with volume. they have to calculate about how you see it clearly, but it is slightly cloudy. the need to figure out what is in their that causes it to be cloudy. this may help the kids, get them induced about math and science. there is a much bigger picture that we have to think about. supervisor maxwell: that is what i'm talking about. isn't that exciting? there is just more of it. if you open up those plants to tours, people really get excited about it when they look at all the laboratories that are there and what people are doing. i think a lot of our staff,

folks went up to hetch hetchy. i think that is extremely important that you make sure that they are educated. supervisor mar: they prevented us from going, but our staff benefit. and we started them off right. we started at the southeast with water treatment plant. supervisor maxwell: i know that the waste water pre- apprenticeship station engineers -- people have been in to see me several times, and i think this program should be ours on, i do. so if the program needs to be revamped a little bit, if it needs to be brought up to a different standard, maybe we need to talk about what that standard needs to be because i think it is extremely important. it is where people are trained to be stationary engineers and they go forward. can you give me a little insight about that? >> the program started when we

expanded the treatment plant in the 1980's. there is only seven physicians. however, a lot of the people that came to this program in the 1980's have retired from these jobs. they are not construction jobs. we are training them to be stationary engineers. a stationary engineer makes somewhere around $85,000. it pressed them for the apprenticeship program through local 39, and if they get in the program, it is a full year education that they can come out of there with an associate's degree, certainly with some certifications to work in any treatment plan basically in the united states. so we are working on revamping with our general manager. we're hoping to get some more positions out of that.

we're hoping to get some sewer system improvement programs. this program has been very successful. what we are doing with the program today is slightly different than what was done in the past. in the past, they have come in just going to waste water. for the current program, we have -- the water department actually hired someone. that is the first time that has happened. the sheriff's department hired from our program because stationary engineers also run buildings. not just waste water treatment plants. they run buildings. they operate elevators. they work on lighting. they work on boilers and all those kinds of things. in the jails and those facilities, they have those things there, so it is important, but we want them to be competing with the other apprentices. the apprenticeship is not an easy one to get into.

approximately two dozen people compete for dispositions, and they only higher somewhere between 50 and 85 people every two years. we're working on the start time so we can make sure they get enough training for the apprenticeships exam and that they stick a long enough after the list comes our so they have an opportunity -- and that they stick around long enough after the list comes out said they have an opportunity to be hired. supervisor maxwell: is that the southeast treatment plant work force program? >> yes, they rotate. they go to oceanside. they work on all parts of our plan. our maintenance, operations, so they do rotate around. supervisor maxwell: when you all come back with a dollar amount, i think it might be helpful -- i know it all does not fit in one category so you can categorize it, but i think it is important

to put a figure on what we do here. >> i agree. supervisor maxwell: it is very valuable. when the educate somebody for four years, what is the value of that? what does that mean? that is the puc doing that. the programs we have during the summer that i have been part of, when you all go and get young people of color, engineers, and they come and work in the city, i think that is a brilliant program, and it should be documented. we should note that you also provide some housing. it is important for people to know where their dollars are going as well. >> yes in deed. our general manager mentioned, i was in the golf tournament -- it was not all fun and games, but it was fun. this program was put together by our employees and some key business folks that put together funds.

this is for kids to have great potential, graduate from high school, and moving on to a four- year college. this has a 90% success rate. to send them to a maritime academy to live there with an academic enrichment program during the summer for six weeks, so only one kid that has gone through the program -- we have been doing this since 2004 -- that has not gone to a four-year college. it is a 90% success rate. this is just the employees doing this, and it is specifically for kids out of the bayview hunters point. >> i just want to also mention fred murray -- sam mary -- sam murray has done a lot with those programs. >> he is the one you mention

that ran the program we run out of thurgood marshall. he is the one that put the whole career thing together. supervisor maxwell: just to think about that. all right, anything else you would like to add? >> we look forward to coming back on november 1. >> karen, is she still here? thank you so much for everything. talk about enthusiasm. it is really -- i do not know what it is about wastewater. anyway, thank you all, and we look forward to talking to you. also, that is a good one. november 1, all the things we have asked for is when you will bring that back as well. is there anything you would like to hear or ask for? all right, thank you. thank you so much fun. does that include your part of

the presentation, everybody? i would like to open his heart of to public comment. >> not only a stakeholder with puc, but i was on the task force that was set up, and we worked with him for 18 or 19 months. the community benefit project that came before you earlier -- there was a lot of discussion earlier. we met with a lot of sound that came, and one of the things we did discuss that is not a pioneer of when they talked about the 2% going to the art and culture are commission, i came up with a figure of 5% to come to 93124.

we did not have what we call community benefit. at that time, it was called mitigation, and as you know, you have met with some of the young people from the community that have fought in certificates working on the solo, and we are getting more people working on it. that is one of the good programs, and i do not know if you know it or not, but in the ec ambassador for solar -- i am the puc ambassador for solar. supervisor maxwell: you have it on your home, right? >> yes, i was the first one. i came running up there when i heard about it. some of the supervisors were there. they came here in i would just like to say that i hope that you pass on this because you do not just wait for the percentage. the 5% that i have requested.

we were concerned -- mostly everything they read off was what they learned at our meeting. community concern and oversight and monitoring and about local hiring in the community. because these are some of the things that we have been dealing with over the years, and i would like to say, as you know, puc just came about under -- who was that? if the mayor because they were not always there. everything was under department of public works. but since they are coming together, i give them history sometimes, to let them know where we have been, and i'm not leaving bayview/hunters point, so i'm quite sure at the next meeting, they will have a percentage. you want to give us more, i would appreciate that very much because it is very important for the education. we talk about math, science, but

we need to have our young people learn algebra because of the fact that we are stagnated, and we have schools that do not want to proceed, and there should be a demand that this be done for our young people because they aren't going to be the rate payers in the coming years. thank you so very much. -- they are going to be the rate payers in the coming years. >> good afternoon, supervisors, chair of the sustainability workgroup with the san francisco green party. first of all, i just want to applaud sfpuc staff, and especially commissioner ellis, for especially bringing this process into the 21st century. this goes beyond words community benefits and becomes more like interactive community process about what the entire community is going to be like and much more holistic. some specific recommendations, a

very specific one -- i do not know if it is in there or not, but i do not think the sfpuc has yet barrier wetlands plants, and i think that needs to be integrated. new orleans had serious problems because it focused on sea walls instead of restoring what land barrier have attacked it would have protected new orleans better against sea level rise disaster events. i also want to second what share maxwell said about community process. i think it is important that maybe redo the spreadsheets for the presentations so that community benefits is not the democratic process is not under community benefits but how you reached community benefits and so there is a very aggressive process to go out and reach the entire community in public entire community in public meetings is at the table so that