try to keep a balance between citrus [no audio] do not ruined somebody's livelihood. supervisor maxwell: thank you. i do have a question for you. could you come up? supervisor mar: could you state your name again? >> john akiens. supervisor maxwell: you mentioned the rainy day, being able to -- understanding that we need to have that separation. one of the issues, when they moved the food vendors, that was huge. do you have a better understanding, is this what you have found to be the case?

has someone mentioned this to you before? >> yes, i have an understanding based on what was stated. for example, -- first of all, i did not hear what the space was between the certified and non- certified farmers, food vendors. if it is 20 feet, and the distance of an empty stall is 20 feet, then it seems to me that is the separation, so if there are 10 stalls on the other side that are empty, or if there is only one farmer in those stalls, can that one farmer not be moved closer to the other certified farmers' so you still have the other side available for the food vendors? if we are talking about numbers and you have 12 empty stalls because of the rainy season, and farmers do not come all year round -- so it seems like there could be some accommodation.

if that is the case, i do not understand why there cannot be an accommodation. supervisor maxwell: how soon in advance how do you have to notify people that you are going to be there, not going to be there? >> in terms of the food vendors not showing up, if you are not going to be there that day, the protocol is to call that morning and leave a message on the machine, or if you can get a hold of someone in the office. supervisor maxwell: so it is basically within 12 hours or less. >> as i said, the thing that concerns me in raising this question is, when you look at the rainy season, there are quite a few empty stalls. many farmers do not come during that time. i am still not sure what that space will be. supervisor maxwell: i will ask.

thank you. yes? >> supervisors, if i may comment for clarification purposes. when you speak about distances between the agricultural certified market portion and non-certified, those boundaries are drawn up and submitted for the certificate, when they apply for renewal. supervisor maxwell: submitted when who applies? the market? >> yes. when alemany applied for their renewal, they submit a boundary. in the case of alemany, i have not looked at that map. i am sorry, i cannot tell you what the boundaries are. but there is a boundary that

identifies agricultural certified and non-certified. supervisor maxwell: thank you. ms. brown? yes, another question. have you looked at the boundary lately, has it changed -- >> if i may. i think we have relatively simple solution. in our next some middle for application, that we provide a seasonal boundaries so that we have a winter season and summer season boundary. that would give us the flexibility to assign certain spaces for non-certified uses when we know we are going to have those vacancies, so we can be in compliance. we can work with the agricultural commissioner. i think there is a solution we can work to worward. supervisor maxwell: ok, thank

you. i would like to continue this. i want to ask our real estate department -- i want to have day a check-in -- hopefully, they have a number of items that they would like to have completed or are working to complete by december 31. i would ask that maybe the meeting before, if they could come back in and check in with us to let us know where you are. we will have a talk. i will meet with ed lee and ed harrison on the parcels that you are talking about that could help us with parking. supervisor mar: i just want to thank ms. brown and mr. updike for being here, also a time line for setting up the cac. i feel strongly committed the-

based people should be at on that committee in addition to small farmers. i know the history of the farmer's market is a grass-roots effort. it is challenging for us to have a people's farmers market. also for small farmers to have a chance versus the big grocery industry, who was opposing this. i hope that comes from the cac and this remains the people's farmers market. supervisor maxwell: in discussing the cac, they plan to have farmers and people who live around the area, maybe beyond. it needs to be bigger than nine. this is a huge city, historical place, people really love and are dedicated to farmers' markets. it will probably be bigger than what we talked about. we definitely need people who live around, maybe beyond. thank you very much.

we will talk again at our continued meeting. supervisor mar: we are continuing this item until -- what was the date? to the call of the chair. we will make sure it happens. ms. stokes are there any other items before us? supervisor mar: with no other item before us, the meeting is adjourned. thank you.

i would like to call the meeting to order. >> [roll call] president crowley is excused attendance. the next item is approval of the minutes. he has requested that it be moved to the next meeting when there will be a quorum of commissioners to approve those minutes.

the only item up for approval would be the minutes of september 28, regular meeting for any additions, corrections, revisions. commissioner vietor: all in favor? september 28 minutes are approved. we will continue october 15 minutes until the next meeting. the next item please. >> members of the public may address the commission on matters that are not on today's agenda. we have no speaker cards at all. commissioner vietor: next item. >> communications. i do apologize, however, in the staff report, there was a staff report item report on the water

system. i misunderstood what it was. it will be listed at the next meeting if you wish to discuss that item. commissioner vietor: any questions on communications? seeing none. >> does any commissioner have any new or other business items to take care of? commissioner vietor: go giants. >> i will second that. commissioner vietor: moving on to the report of the general manager. >> good afternoon, commissioners. we just have one item listed. we would like to do that right now. >> on your events calendar, we listed by returning to you to

fill you in on how we are doing on the update of the resource plan. when i reported to you last, we had the rocky mountain institute draft plan written. we launched a green deck advisory committee -- tech advisory committee that is expected to be under review this week. we are hoping to come back to you on november 9 assuming that the review process goes well. we will get back to you than with a full report with an update of the electric resource plan and on to the board of supervisors. we are proposing through the committee, they are proposing specific legislative changes to improve the climate here in san francisco for implementing green

technology in san francisco that generate electricity or save energy. the next -- the next meeting will be at the board of supervisors. commissioner vietor: it will be on the agenda for the next meeting to review and discuss? >> assuming that the review process gets to the point that it is ready. commissioner vietor: will clean energies to words be participating? >> we have scheduled a meeting to review the report on november 1. we attempted to get that input before we come before you. commissioner vietor: thank you very much. >> i passed out a memo on proposition 26 and the possible impact.

it is just for informational purposes. if proposition 26 passes, we will discuss the potential impact to san francisco puc. it was signed back in september. we are just monitoring the situation and trying to determine what might be the potential impact on us. and i have nothing else in the general manager report. >> [inaudible] >> it is like a series of questions right now. we will talk about that. these will be treated the same way as taxes.

right now, they are approved by the majority vote of the local legislative body. commissioner vietor: any public comment on the general manager's report? >> they are trying to fix the screens. >> is it because the computer is blood in? >> i think it has something to do with the feet from -- feed from sfgtv. >> can you check the computer? is that -- >> apparently, something downstairs in the control room

-- they were having problem with the controls before the meeting. i just alerted them. commissioner vietor: the next item is item number 8. >> but the live feed isn't showing up. ok. >> i will not need the computers. i wanted to make a comment about a letter that was sent to the commission on october 13. our letter was based on the review of the wsip annual report. scope, schedule, and budget. we wanted to cover our comments

and recommendations. it was resolved at the special meeting a week and a half ago. everything was in budget and we are pleased with that. in terms of the award of the construction contract, savings are reprogrammed to cover expenditures necessary in other projects. we have no problem with any of the cost increases for the projects we have seen today. they have all been for necessary items, permit issues, and so forth. they have not been due to somebody taking their eye off of the ball. the concern that i wanted to

share with you in the letter is that it would be important to track the change orders against the savings. just so that the commission and the public staff is comfortable that there is enough money retained for each project. how you do that is something -- which did not know schedule compression. what you approved in 2009 shows a couple of projects under construction in 2015. the current forecast shows six projects under construction. the question is, does that cause a compression of

schedules -- does that compression of schedules cause difficulties? following your adoption of the current schedule, the commissioners made a comment about that. the excellent piece of work, staff capabilities, and so forth. there was a clean bill of health. the one comment is, it has never been tested. any suggestion -- the suggestion is that you keep watching that. given the schedule compression, we would recommend that you perform a comprehensive review. whether the mechanisms you have

in place still seem adequate, it is a very reasonable question to pose. the bottom line is not a search for a problem, it is to anticipate a problem to give the staff whatever resources they need to get the -- those are my comments for today. thank you. >> we have the next quarterly review due pretty quickly. would that be an appropriate time for staff to ask the compression question?

>> we have the letter of what we can and cannot do. commissioner vietor: the next item, please. >> the citizen's advisory committee to report. >> good afternoon, commissioners. we had summer vacations in the last quarter, said there has been a little bit less activity.

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next meeting we are looking at land policy in the land use. it might be appropriate at that time -- if it doesn't, we need to make sure that we have the conversation. >> it is absolutely timely. i do not know if the committee will have the votes to get it done. you might be excited about the work that the city is doing.

it probably would have taken this up about three months ago. what is the date? >> november 9. >> thank you, commissioners. commissioner vietor: public comment? >> we have one speaker card. >> i'm on the c.a.c. i have a small complaint about you guys. we hear a lot of experts. we get a lot of information, we have reports that we would like

to see responded to in a timely manner. i think we have four things that we have not heard back from you about. we as want to know that we are not wasting our time. >> if i can request that perhaps the next month, we have a summary of what those items are. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner vietor: next item, please. >> the consent calendar. they are considered to be routine and will be acted on by a single vote. item a, approving the selection of kennedy jenks consultants

for special engineering services and authorize the general manager of the san francisco public utilities commission to execute a professional services agreement. to approve the water enterprise water conservation operating fund agreement. and authorize the general manager to execute this amendment increasing the agreement hot with a time extension. to approve the project emanuel and construction tasked catalog to the lowest qualified responsible and responsive better -- bidder. to approve the modification to the san francisco public utilities commission enterprise contract. to increase the contract with a

time extension. reject all bids for water enterprise, and authorize the general manager to advertise the contract as wd-2647ir. to execute a permit with the california department fire protection for the use of 5.5 acres for watershed land. the helicopter landings during emergencies. in to authorize a memorandum of understanding between the public utilities commission and the department of water and power to provide construction management