this commission as well as strive for gender diversity as well. >> one of the things, if you are not going to go there, i will put it out there, as well. i expect in this leadership is unit. i didn't see that. i saw a press conference attacking four city commissioner's opinions where other commissioners and the commission leadership went in support of that press conference. i thought that was a very devicive tactic. i thought that was a lack of leadership. and the fact that the leadership didn't even think that that might be a slight or a backlash on the other commissioners was shocking to me. so i think that which want a leader that talks about unit of this commission instead of devicive tactics. certainly this year has been a difficult year for me because of the unstability in dealing with some of the people, some of the issues that have come up here, and i really think civility,

which we talked about at our retreat, is something we need to keep pursuing, and i think that is something a strong leader would insist on at a commission level. i also think inclusiveness. we also have not been inclusive this year. many of us commissioners have read about what's going on in the commission in the newspapers. and that's actually lack of information. there has been a lot of lack of information, and there has not been inclusiveness. so there's a there was just a lack of disseminating foss. some people knew -- disseminating information. some people knew and some didn't know. i think as a commission, there isn't anyone who has more power than anyone else, and that's something we should talk about. i think we need strong leadership to deal with the commission itself, strong leadership in dealing with department heads. i think we need someone who will do the right thing in the face of adversity, and someone

speaking their own mind and not acting with a predetermined agenda. i also think we need reputation of the different as secretaries that -- aspects that make up this commission rather than what we have already had. and i also think we need respect for the chain of command, and i think the a commissioner should enforce the chain of command in the commission and the department. so i think we do need to talk about that before we start throwing names out there or having predetermined agendas. i think that's important. those are my two cents. president marshall: commissioner chan? commissioner chan: commissioner marshall, i want to thank you for your service. i know it is a lot of extra work to be the commissioner, and there is a big burden of communicating things to us. i know when things go wrong, you thank take the heat. i appreciate the time you have spent, and i'm glad you put the

nomination forward, and i would support commissioner mazzucco becoming president. when you have run the meetings, they have been run very, very well, and i look forward to you taking that position on. i agree with commissioner dejesus we need balance. i would say when we discuss the vice presidentsy, that we do think about a balance between the sprpt -- between the vice president and the president to make sure everyone knows what's happening and there is no communication gap. and the final point i wanted to make is i mentioned this a couple -- mentioned this earlier, is that we want a president that communicates and everyone knows what's happening when it is happening and not from reading in the newspaper. another piece is to be responsible and open to the public not just from that public comment but from the public in general. i see that as a primary responsibility in being a liason to the public.

the last piece of what i'm looking for in a president is someone who is independent and is critical but also supportive of the department and of the chief and doesn't rubber stamp any decision but comes to their own decision based on their own analysis, and sometimes it will be the same as what the department wants or the chief wants, and sometimes it will be different. so this is for me to talk equality, and that's what i'm going for in terms of voting for the president tonight. thank you for hearing me out. president marshall: commissioner hammer. commissioner hammer: first, commissioner marshall, i want to say thank you. i have known you about a year now that you have been on the commission. what affects me so much about your leadership, we talked two weeks ago about a meeting, and your response was, let's see what the other commissioners want. you took yourself out of the equation and asked everyone to weigh in, in a way other people

would not. what you have brought this commission and your leadership, i want to say thank you. and i'm honored to serve. i've known commissioner mazzucco for 10 years. we shared an sfr office together. i could support him today because we're friends, but i'm not going to do that. at the end of the day, whoever is president is first among equals. that is we all vote, we all contribute, and we all have different perspectives. what i was going to say, with tippy, with commissioner mazzucco, what's unique even though he's the son of a cop, he's not necessarily going to rubber stamp everything a police officer does. he like me holds a police officer to a higher standard because his father was a member

of this department. and he more than many commissioners, i could imagine, has really low toll rens for -- tolerance for misconduct, because he understands the heart of the mission. you have reached out to people that completely disagree with your position, and you have done it without rancor and ego, because i think at the end of the day you want to do what is best for san francisco. i think you would make an extraordinary president. i am going to vote for you. i would ask you to commit yourself for the commiggers to raise the things they are for. vice president mazzucco: thank you, all of my fellow commissioners, and thank you dr. marshall. those of you that know me know i am not comfortable in a

political setting. i did this job and i'm on this commission because i believe, as i have done for the last 19 years in serving my community, something i was taught by my dad, and i love the city of san francisco. that's where i'm born and raised. that's where my wife and i raised our children. my wife is born and raised here. it is important to me to be part of this commission. we are all equals. i am the one sitting in the middle with diverse opinions. and my role and goal would be that there is unit. and i really want unit again. i'm honored by everything you said. i don't know if i -- i don't know. it's an honor. the san francisco police department, police commission, has been a big part of my life for obvious reasons. as both the prosecutor and member of the police family. my rain role is to be part of the community, the main liason with the community, to work with

this community, and work with this chief. again, it is a great honor. if i were your president, my goal would be unit to involve everyone in every decision. i will communicate with you. that's never been an issue with me. sometimes i communicate too much. it would be a great honor to serve on this commission and serve the city and county. san francisco is the greatest city in the world. just look at the city, its diversity and everything. i represent the city. i'm a native. i'm part of the fabric of the city, and again, i'll do whatever the city wants. president marshall: so we -- commissioner dejesus: i would move that angela chan be the vice president. president marshall: one at a time. the name of commissioner

mazzucco has been entered. i believe i must take public comment before we vote on president. public comment, please. >> members of the commission, ray hart, director of san francisco, open government. i really can't understand how you could possibly elect commissioner mazzucco as president of this commission. the first meeting i was here he interrupted my public comment twice. the second time i just gave up. i figured who is this guy, and does he really believe that he has the right to superseed the constitution and keep me from making public comment? i found out subsequently he's a practicing attorney, member of the california bar, former prosecutor, and i have to concede or figure that he's -- somewhere along the line, he was involved in constitutional issues. the second time he stopped me at that first meeting, i said,

you're vithe violating my constitutional right. his sarcastic as i took it, comment, oh, absolutely not. i would never do that. i'm just following the rules and procedures. two weeks later, i came back, and he did it three more times. with the exception of once, i was allowed to continue. so did he have a good faith belief that i was actually talking out of turn or violating the rules or did he simply stop me for some other purpose? five times, and at the last time i was allowed to continue, was at the site of the deputy city attorney. you cannot have someone -- and the second time, he was the presiding officer. the constitution is the basis of our government. whether you are talking about the united states constitution,

the state of california's constitution, or whatever. the bottom line is, members of the public have the right to come up here and they shouldn't have number one a litmus test to prove that they have the right to speak. they shouldn't have to engage in continual arguments. interrupt me once, i say, well, ok, made a mistake. twice, ok. three times? four times? five times? when you are a practicing attorney and you must know that there is really not much you can stop a person from saying? and i was allowed to continue in almost every one of those cases. so if you really want to elect someone who has shown -- such open hostility. it wasn't just me. i've seen him do it to two other people. one man said, what? how can you tell i'm saying something wrong? can you read minds?

the bottom line is, if you elect him as the president of this board, i think it is really, really just asking for trouble in the sense that public comment will be -- [bell] -- and people coming before this board will be discouraged from doing so. president marshall: further public comment? all right. the name of tom mazzucco has been placed in nomination for president of the police commission. would you please call the rules. we'll vote. >> commissioner marshall. commissioner thomas mazzucco. vice president mazzucco: aye. >> commissioner petra dejesus? commissioner dejesus: aye. >> commissioner hammer?

commissioner hammer: aye. >> commissioner slaughter? mr. slaughter: sky -- aye. president marshall: we now move to the nomination of vice president. commissioner dejesus: i have nominated angela chan. commissioner slaughter: i would like to nominate commissioner kingsley. new hampshire i think the chair can call it how the chair wants. meaning there can be multiple nominations. whatever the chair chooses. commissioner slaughter: i would like to nominate commissioner marshall to be my vice president. i would like to have dr. marshall as my vice president. i would like to nominate dr.

marshall. president marshall: second. does anyone have public comment on the nomination for vice president. commissioner dejesus: we haven't had any discussion. president marshall: i was waiting for -- commissioner dejesus: i think we have the leadership of marshall and mazzucco this year, and i think there were a lot of things that were lacking. one of them was information and the other was strong leadership. i think commissioner mazzucco understands our intent and understands that we want to be included, but i also think it is important that this leadership reflect, as i said, to affect the make-up of the commission, but also very importantly, gender diversity.

i believe commissioner chan brings a different set of values to the commission. i think she is very diligent. she has already proven in terms of sharing information or making sure everybody is informed, i think she would be an excellent candidate. i'm sure -- i think we need to consider gender diversity. commissioner hammer: president marshall, thank you, and i appreciate your comments on vice president as well as the president, and your comments about making sure we have a leadership that reflects the commission and reflects what individual commissioners view as strengths and weaknesses. having a team, obviously each commissioner needs to make for himself or herself the judgment

about what -- which person will best serve the commission and the community. with respect to that, i take our president elect mazzucco's nomination very seriously, because obviously the president and the vice president are going to have to work closely together with the rest of the commission. and on that basis, i'm going to support commissioner mazzucco's nomination of president marshall to become the vice president, and i'm going to take them at their word that they are going to work on the issues that have been raised here today primarily about communication and inclusiveness in terms of members of the commission and the community. before we lay down our vote, i wanted people to understand why i am voting the way i was.

commissioner hammer: i second the vote for commissioner chan. i think to pass the baton as we go is a hopeful thing. i have been incredibly impressed with commissioner chan. your work ethic, even if you aren't in a leadership role, you have been helping to lead us through things. commissioner kingsley, you helped lead the retreat and define our priorities, and i'm grateful for that. i'm a tough customer to be impressed by lawyers, and i'm very impressed by you and your work, and i'm glad you are on the commission, and that's why i'm seconding you. president marshall: commissioner chan. commissioner chan: thank you for the nomination, i appreciate it, and thank you for the very kind comments. i did not at all expect to come here and be nba.com nailted for that. i appreciate that very much. i would like to encourage everyone on here to really have an independent analysis of this and to think about the balance between the board appointees and

the mayor appointees. i think it is expected that the mayor appointees would reflect someone that is appointed by the mayor. that is expected. it wouldn't surprise me. i think it would be better if there was an independent analysis. th that would ensure there was balance across the board with all the commissioners. when we don't communicate because there isn't a balance, it becomes problem matic and it becomes more work later on and more headaches for the chief. with that i want to thank you again for the nomination. i understand -- i think i know where the vote is going to fall, and i wish it were different. commissioner hammer: i would like to say one more thing, especially after what commissioner chan just said now. commissioner chan has been incredibly outgoing to me as i have joined this committee, and has been a tremendous,

tremendous resource to me getting me up to speed. i don't want to have the impression left by my vote here that i in anyway think that commissioner chan isn't doing anything but an outstanding job for the city and the commission and the department. as i said, i think i have to respect commissioner mazzucco's desire to have the person as vice president that he thinks will best be able to work together. we obviously owe president marshall a tremendous debt of gratitude for all his work and if he's willing to lend his valuable insight to the commission and leadership, i would appreciate it. as i said, i don't want my vote here to be seen as -- i want to say i support president marshall and thank you, commissioner chan. president marshall: commissioner kingsley. it seems like i should weigh in with my two cents considering everybody else has. but just very briefly, i would like to reiterate some of the

things that commissioner slaughter has said, but, you know, very directly, it has been a pleasure every time i have had occasion to work with commissioner chan. she is a brilliant person. she is very smart, organized, lots of energy, gets things done. i very much appreciate commissioner dejesus' bringing to our attention what diversity brings to a commission, to any board, in fact, and the importance of that gender diversity. commissioner chan mentioned diversity across the political spectrum. i agree. i think all of those pr incredibly important issues and considerations, and applaud them, and it is one of the reasons why the commission as a whole, and its make-up as a whole, is very special. all seven of us working

together, and we are a unit working together. and i think that the jobs of president and vice president are -- the president's job, yes, requires considerably more work as opposed to, you know, the other six commissioners. vice president not so much. but in terms of the other powers , abilities, responsibilities and so on, all seven commissioners really stand on equal footing from that perspective. and i think that all seven of us bring special talents and abilities to the commission, and could frankly do the job of president or vice president. if we're down to choosing two, and commissioner mazzucco, we

unanimously have elected him, and for very good reason. he's outstanding and has tremendous responsibility. with all of that said, my vote is going to go to commissioner marshall in terms of the vice president spot. and i think that the continuity is important. i think he's served the commission well. i think with commissioner mazzucco nominating him and more or less asking us as commissioners to allow commissioner marshall to keep serving to assist him and use his experience to assist commissioner mazzucco is very important. so i'm going to defer. president marshall: with all of

that being said, we'll take public comment on the -- before we take the vote on the office of vice president, we'll take public comment one more time. >> members of the commission, ray hart, director of san francisco government. who will watch the watchmen? i have come over the last two to three years to realize that i don't think we have really any effective civilian control of our police department. you hear stories of the time, you know, that this officer did this, this officer did that, like f.a.j.i.t.a.g.a.t.e. and others. they go away after a few years, and the city attorney settles it, and it is a sealed determination, so therefore you never get to see what actually happened. we have the o.c.c. issue where two cases in an entire year are found to be sustained, and now

what we're going to do, we're going to elect two people. we're going to just shift the seats. then what? next year we're just going to shift them back? very frankly, i don't think commissioner marshall deserves another time. the night i was interrupted by commissioner mazzucco, commissioner marshall was the presiding officer, and he simply sat there. the bottom line is, if you really want to have good relations with the public, you need to let them know that you are interested in hearing what they say and having them participate in these meetings. look at these meetings. the majority of people that come to these meetings are only the people that come to attend the closed session. the lawyers and the officers involved and so forth. the bottom line is, public comment and public participation has been put to the back of the line. i have had to comment on the fact that items were set up so

that you would go on a four-hour break. in one case you came back, and after the break, you managed to complete a third of the agenda in eight minutes. did you not realize that's what you were doing? one time you put down the election, this election, after a closed session. did you not realize that would limit the participation of public in the process? i have to say, you did. the bottom line is, when i came here, i specked hostility, because the reason i came here was all the public requests i made of the police department got nothing but open hostility. having a police officer refuse to identify himself, refuse to give you information unless he was told what you intended to do with the information, all these are vie layings, and after 29, i

said, you know, i need to go speak to somebody else. but i'll be honest with you, in the short time that i've been here, i know where it came from. it came from this commission. you have the same level of hostility toward the public that the department exhibits as a whole. [bell] president marshall: further public comment on this item. i'm a little unsure how to proceed with the vote. we take the name of the person? how do we -- [response not audible] >> however you want to structure it. >> it is up to the chair.

president marshall: i think we will take one at a time. >> you can take them in either order you want or together, and if one motion carries, then you don't need to go forward with the second motion. it is up to you how you want to -- president marshall: take one name first? is that what you are saying? >> no, at the same time. president marshall: the first was marshall or chan. >> chan first. >> a motion to take a vote on angela chan's nomination as vice president of the commission. commissioner dr. marshall. how do you vote?

president marshall: no. >> commissioner mazzucco? vice president mazzucco: no. >> commissioner dejesus? >> commissioner dejesus: yes. >> commissioner chan? commissioner chan: yes. commissioner hammer? commissioner hammer: aye >> commissioner kidges kingsley? kings kings no. >> commissioner slaughter. slaught slaught -- commissioner slaughter: no. president marshall: next vote. >> how do you vote? president marshall: aye. vice president mazzucco: aye. commissioner dejesus: i respect commissioner marshall and all the hard work he's done and i respect him as a friend, but i disdepree, i think we need gender diversity, and i vote no. schan chan no.

commissioner kingsley: no. commissioner slaughter: yes. >> the motion passes 4-3. president marshall: commissioner mazzucco is now president, and i'm the vice president, and we'll make this change right now. vice president mazzucco: as we move forward now, i would like to say that we are commissioners with equal authority, and the story should be how thrend talented this commission is. you look across this commission, and you have dr. marshall who is a modern day saint whose work in the bay view hunters area -- he has done more for this community than most people can dream of. they you look at the lawyers on this board. starting with commissioner hammer, who is a former police officer, forpo