because we are feeding the energy into the grid. another point is that it is a question of what kind of communication mechanism might be used in order to manage and monitor the unit. the solar units are monitored by the technology. i think there are plans to have the new puc -- to use existing communication mechanisms. another point is metering and how to measure the output of the solar units. each would have the meter installed. and lastly, the city processes as well as teh puc -- the puc

mentioned there would have to be a ceqa process. and they brought this up regarding conjecture in terms of overhead wiring and things like that. the next step sounds like petrasolar would have to have a pilot project. they went through some of the items they would need in this proposal. and the proposed efficiency of such a program, trying to measure the output and qualification. we're going to be waiting on petra how to see if they will

submit a proposal. the you have any questions? commissioner mirkarimi: when would we know potentially? do we encourage them to go ahead and submit horovitz register their interest? >> from my meetings, it did not sound like there was any time line. i know that a representative is here today. we did not talk about a specific time line. commissioner mirkarimi: can we ask the representative? thank you. >> regulatory manager for petra solar. commissioner mirkarimi: are you interested in submitting a proposal? >> we are hoping to get you guys a draft next week commissioner mirkarimi:. commissioner mirkarimi: -- next

week. commissioner mirkarimi: would this be in time for the meeting on september 10? that would be interesting. who would asked pg&e permission? would it be sfpuc? >> i know that we have had discussions with them, but i did not know the answer to that. commissioner mirkarimi: what did they say to you? >> they don't have a definitive answer. commissioner mirkarimi: let me come back around. is miss hale circling the wagons on this? >> they have been meeting with pg&e regarding such projects, trying to fill them out about

it. i don't know about the specifics. in terms of working with pg&e at trying to allow us to solve these things, i think it is something they will have to work out. >> one issue is the pilot program because we would just be testing the technology to see how it works. the long-term issue of how you would rule out a substantial part in san francisco proper, we don't own any of the distribution infrastructure and it would require working things out. given the challenges, i suspect it would be a challenge.

one of the big issues is the meter in in terms of keeping track of how much energy is coming out of the panel. commissioner mirkarimi: have we ever negotiated a pilot like this with pg&e? i would think we would have. i think just the question of the receptiveness, this idea by the city, the city itself will tell the story. did you want to add something? >> we have the pilot project that doesn't require ceqa or pg&e approval. that is what we want to get going on. that is the first thing to do. if it does, we have a potential

program and we will be back to you if it shows promise about ways to initiate it. commissioner mirkarimi: no action is required, correct? public comment on this item? >> i told the journal and i would mention that one thing that would be really blood would be to carve out the ability to deliver 50% local hiring in terms of doing this project. some of the things you might think about, you can talk to any of the commission members, you can talk to the city program, and you talk about whatever you're going to do. people would really like to be a part of that. i think definitely just think

about how you can commit to doing 50% local hiring on this project, a lot of people will be even more exciting -- excited about it. folks that are really hungry to be involved in green jobs, years of all them dirty power plants, for example. i'm just thinking out loud for you. it might be good here whenever you propose to us. it would be a really good thing to hear from you. commissioner mirkarimi: nothing stopping them from killing 100% local hiring, which we encourage, too. >> one of the great stories -- sorry, walker wright. one of the items that is really

exciting about the project in new jersey is that as a qualifying project, and there is nothing that says jobs have to be created locally. obviously, they are getting delayed consistently and there will be jobs on the install side. what makes us different, we have chosen to have 100% of our assembly jobs local right next to where the project takes place. commissioner mirkarimi: you enter into a time when leadership of others trying to push for a very strict agreements on amplifying the local hiring goals. it's something that we want to send strong signals. any other public comment? public comment is closed. we will continue this to the call of the chair as well.

how can you read the next item? >> item numbe 5, executive officer's report. >> i just wanted to follow up on the comments about the senate committee meeting and the possible legislation to assist the efforts. we went over those of briefly, so i don't want to go into too much detail. i would like to suggest that we have the staff working with the consultant staff to put together some legislative language that follows up on some of those ideas. i think that given budget problems going on, it is nice to have legislation drafted for you. that is all that i have for you today. if there isn't any objection, i

will ask them to help the conceptual ideas. commissioner mirkarimi: is that ok? and did you want to share any prospective -- perspective? >> the cca programs, one is no longer in business. another is up and running but had a lot to say about the problems of the programs and given pg&e activities. we are certainly no stranger to that. if you take away the idea that you are -- or if we are to survive, there needs to be some changes in the regulatory field

about how to compete. i think that was the main idea that they took away from that hearing. commissioner mirkarimi: i am curious what you thought the cpuc might take away from that. >> when he spoke, he basically said that they understood the problems and that they welcome some regulatory clarification about the kinds of things that they can do. one of the suggestions was additional fines and penalties. he indicated that he thought they already have that power. just letters and that sort of thing. i think the cpuc, if they have

the tools, they would use those tools. they don't really have clear tools on how to develop -- deal with that kind of situation. a competition going on. commissioner mirkarimi: i hope they have the will. to be more supportive of local government against private utilities. >> that is true. part of the reason might be that they are used to investors and utilities. they will not regulate. there is a little bit inherent question among the staff people because they are not regulated. they have little bit of that. isn't it better if we regulate the entity? i think that they understand the problems of their, and i think that they are supportive of legislative changes to give them

more power. commissioner mirkarimi: any questions? seeing none? -- none. public comment? public comment is closed. we will continue this to the color of the chair. >> item 6, public comment for items not on the agenda and future agenda items. commissioner mirkarimi: with a body like to suggest future agenda items? -- would anybody like to suggest future agenda items? public comment. >> the first part of my comments, i will represent the green party, and you will see why. i wanted to flesh out a little bit more on the electricity reliability plan.

another big red flag that we saw at the stake holders meeting was that the recommendation was for san francisco to become a big test bed for renewable efficiency technologies. while it is great for us to be a test bed, i think any of you that followed the green peace or the kind of work that people like me have been doing, we will say loud and clear over and over again that we have technology ready to go for other programs like it right away. making test bed technologies, and doing the big energy rollout is not great interaction. i have not discussed my next comments with any of the groups that i work with or coordinate with. this is just me talking, but it

is important. i will put you guys on the spot by being very political. if programs have the potential for public power, the potential for good electricity resources, we can see that having stability in room 200 of this building is absolutely crucial. you will hear from many grass- roots organizers that come next week, we need to start a very open and strong public process in which be sitting board decides to 6 in room 200 so that when we get to the rollout of the other programs that are coming out, we know that we have

somebody in there that will be strong with us, and we have somebody in there that has a good chance of doing four more years. we need you to start making that decision on tuesday and make sure you give us a lot of consistencies so that we are not getting to the mid-january and having a mad rush behind the process to appoint god-knows- who. i want to put that out there. s crucial to they/ success of cca. [chime] commissioner mirkarimi: any other public comment? >> on what he was saying, i would like to know if someone is appointed to be mayor for this

one year period, how would that affect them if they wanted to run in the future? if someone sat in that seat and they held the position and did a good job, would it affect reappointment to run later? if you guys could give us the information, i would be happy to know that. commissioner mirkarimi: anyone is welcome to speak with you afterwards. public comment is more rhetorical. we appreciate that. is there any other public comment? public comment is closed. i would like to thank everybody for their input and participation today. thank you, madame clerk, sfgtv, sfpuc, lafco staff.

we will have another meeting on december 10. it looks like it will be a very substantive agenda. i don't believe that there is any other business. seeing none, everybody have a great weekend. the meeting is adjourned.

>> welcome to culturewater. in 2001, the san francisco arts commission and tampa does go public library established an arts master plan for the city soon to be renovated branch library. almost 10 years later, the san francisco arts commission has integrated a collection of vibrant new artworks by bay area artists into five new libraries, and there is more on the way. here is a closer look at some of the projects. >> the branch library improvement program is a bond funded program undertaken by the san francisco public library to upgrade each of the branch libraries throughout the neighborhoods. one of the great benefits of

this opportunity is that each of these branches has a unique artwork that has been created specifically for that branch, based on input from people who live near that branch, in the surrounding neighborhood. >> trur- minded. there was a lot of community support for the project. i try to make it about the true hill and its history. they were something that natives used for making houses. the construction of the pond is based on abalone house construction. at the bottom of the form, it is woven into a rope which transforms into a manufactured

rope. that is a reference to the cordish company, a big industry at the waterfront that went along with the shipbuilding industry. other examples of art work in libraries that you might be interested in seeing it is dana zed's glass shatters in front of a library. there are a wall sculptures in the lobby of the glen park branch library. and then there is an illuminated book on the wall of the mission bay library. >> "ocean current." we are on ocean avenue, so there is a connection to that. that is what this is about.

culmination of all lot of dialogue, processing over a five-year period. that is longer than most art projects take, but i really feel like the product was enriched from that. making the sculpture involves forging and fabricating steel. we used to deal to create this flowing, central sculptor, heating, bending, grinding, painting, bending, and adding a patina to it. layers and layers of craftsmanship that went into this. >> of the artists who participated in this project are all bay area of projects. they work in a wide variety of media. metal, glass, natural elements, photography, just a range of different approaches and

aesthetics. so we have created a nice collection of art work that is reflective of the current date. art scenes. and we invite everyone to participate and to see the unique art works that have been developed. >> to learn more, visit >> i have been a cable car grip for 21 years. i am a third generation. my grand farther and my dad worked over in green division for 27. i guess you could say it's blood. >> come on in. have a seat.

hold on. i like it because i am standing up. i am outside without a roof over my head and i see all kinds of people. >> you catch up to people you know from the past. you know. went to school with. people that you work with at other jobs. military or something. kind of weird. it's a small word, you be. like i said, what do people do when they come to san francisco? they ride a cable car. >> california line starts in the financial district. people are coming down knobbhill. the cable car picks people up. takes them to work. >> there still is no other device to conquer these hills

better than a cable car. nobody wanted to live up here because you had to climb up here. with the invention of the cable car, these hills became accessible. he watched horses be dragged to death. cable cars were invent in san francisco to solve the problem with it's unique, vertically challenged terrain. we are still using cars a century old >> the old cable car is the most unique thing, it's still going. it was a good design by then and is still now. if we don't do something now. it's going to be worse later.

>> the cable cars are built the same as they were in the late 1800's. we use a modern machinery. we haven't changed a thing. it's just how we get there. >> it's a time consuming job. we go for the quality rather than the production. we take pride in our work and it shows in the end product. >> the california line is mostly locals. the commuters in the morning, i see a lot of the same people. we don't have as tourists.

we are coming up to street to chinatown. since 1957, we are the only city in the world that runs cable cars. these cars right here are part of national parks system. in the early 1960's, they became the first roles monument. the way city spread changed with the invention of the cable car. >> people know in san francisco, first thing they

think about is, let's go