that day, not made that proactive response, we wouldn't have known about it and we couldn't have helped. and what -- anything could have happened. so that's just another example of having a relationship with the different clubs where they are coming in. with communications. just -- there were two more incidents in the district. one was in a case for an unconscious person who tripped in front. hustler club after being at the impala. there wasn't enough information to figure out anything more than that. but that was one of the things that have occurred in the district. and then at club slide on 1113, the lady's wallet was stolen while she was in the restroom. other than that, doing pretty well. any questions or comments? >> questions? >> excellent report. thank you very much. >> any public comment? any more for comments and questions? seeing none, take item five.

presentation from various vendors on i.d. scanners and video surveillance equipment. >> commissioners, i want to introduce nick dallas. he is with n.s.c. federal security. and just so this transparency here, i will tell you that my security systems in my homes are with n.s.c. federal security. and they're a big company. they do a lot of video surveillance for a lot of the different businesses. and i thought it would be -- to our benefit to hear what nick had to say. so thank you for coming. >> good evening. i work for a company based out of san francisco. we're privately owned. and we do a lot of low voltage in terms of security systems and camera surveillance. as we all know, security around the night clubs has always been an issue. stemming from going outside to inside, or inside to outside.

with video surveillance, equipment, warning signs, and perhaps an active monitor, it usually helps. they see what's going on. and it's a -- it deters some of the crime that can happen. it's been said that a picture is worth a thousand words. we had an incident where a local businessman vandalized his neighbor and competitor when contacted by the police. he denied any involvement when confronted with the full face body image, and the t-shirt, he admitted to the crime. and had hung low. there was another one. there was -- actually a murder in san francisco. the san francisco police came to me. and we have video surveillance at our office. and so with the d.v.r. put on a

flash drive, they were able to apprehend the suspect and close off the crime. so in both of these cases, the crimes might have still been open. and yet they were closed. so that's about what i have to say. >> i have a question. >> yes. >> for surveillance cameras on the street, i have a couple of questions. and what are the costs for those cameras to install them, and to monitor them? and can they be saved object a hard drive or can -- on a hard drive or can they be -- how does it work? >> camera systems range from $1,500 up to $10,000. it depends on what type of cameras we put in, what type of d.v.r. systems we put in. they record anywhere from one day up to 60 days. depending on the gigabytes of the hard drive.

the cameras are -- there's a lot of different types of cameras. there's i.r. cameras which work off a reflective lighting, at nighttime, with the reflective lighting. there's true day-night cameras that see even better. when you get into the facial images, that's where the cost goes up. the camera systems work off of -- actually the d.v.r. works off of your internet setup that you have. so what we do is we tap into the router in some cases we have your i.t. man program it. and you can actually view it from your computers inside and view it from your computers at home or wherever. an outside location. >> and my other question is how long does this take to enstall a system like this? -- install a system like this? >> it depends on how big it is. it could be from one day to four days. >> ok. thank you. >> thank you. >> commissioners, any questions? no?

thank you very much. >> thank you. >> any public comment? >> give it to jocelyn. >> thank you for coming. >> ok. item number six. update from the ad hoc committee regarding permit conditions relating to security proposed by the sfpd for all entertainment permits. >> hi, commissioners. so you have been given a memorandum that is privileged and confidential by the office of the city attorney. deputy city attorney paul zerefsky. so i just want -- so we're not going to discuss the content of this memorandum yet until you guys have a chance to fully go home and read it and digest it. it is privileged and confidential. so i caution you police do not discuss it with anyone. and we will discuss it here at the next meeting. and probably take some action on the -- the mandated

conditions that were presented to us by sfpd. in the first memorandum, it addresses the bullet point two, three, and four. so i want you to look at that. and in the second memorandum, it addresses all the other bullet points. so please, the city attorney worked really hard on this. so i would like you very much to see you guys to read it. and also consider when you do read it, the difference between praoist policy set -- private policy set by a private business, venue, and government-mandated policy which has two different implications. so that is my presentation. in its total. that's it. unless you have something to add. >> i just want to add that i

did send electronic copies to the commission as well. so feel free to obviously take these with you. don't distribute them as commissioner joseph said. these are privileged and confidential. but we will agendaize an item that's appropriate and do discussion and public comment in our next meeting. >> final comment, is this the point you just made regarding the difference between private policy and public policy, is that spoken of in the memo itself? >> it is. >> ok. >> and i just mentioned it. because i wanted you guys to pay attention to that aspect of the memos. and read it twice if you have to so that you really understand what it's saying. >> commissioners? >> i just like to thank ad hoc committee chairperson joseph. and jocelyn kane for working hard to get this opinion from the city attorney. i know it was -- >> thank you.

>> not an easy task. and i will fully go home and read it. >> thank you very much. >> ok. any public comment on this? jocelyn, you brought your mother here. and not making any -- >> not saying a word. no. i'm sorry. [laughter] >> all right. next item. item number seven. hearing and possible action regarding applications for permits under the jurisdiction of the entertainment commission. item a, rodriguez, marco, d.b.a. rocketfish, 1469 18th street, place of entertainment. >> commissioners, this is an application for a place of entertainment. the applicant applied for this in mid october to add what the application says a small band and d.j. to his restaurant and lounge located on petura hill at 18th and connecticut. this is the location of the late and great lingba lounge

that some of you might remember. there is a liquor license on the premises and the applicant, the business seats 40 people. >> on that side of the restaurant. >> and it's open every day for lunch and dinner. is that correct? >> dinner pretty much. >> dinner primarily. entertainment as planned -- is planned for wednesday through sunday. the planning department indicated that this is a permitted use on the ground floor. and attached to this memo is the station conditions. they've indicated approval with these conditions. i think. although i can't see him, officer dalton from bayview station is here to answer any questions that the commission might have regarding these conditions. marco, have you soon these conditions? >> i have. >> ok. and therefore the staff is recommending conditional approval. so do you want to add to anything? >> yes.

i'm not sure if i'm comfortable with all these conditions. if i may go through. number one, hours of entertainment, 11:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. i don't know if we -- those are the hours that when we talked to the officer that i was comfortable with. however, we don't want to be limited to that because the competition around -- down the street is open until 2:00. they have anent at the same time license. -- they have an entertainment license. and goes until 2:00. we don't want any competitive disadvantage if possible. there's another condition regarding security. and since our venue is very small, and we're really looking at like a tourist or something accompanying music to people that are dining, we're not selling tickets, there's no promotions going on outside of that, we might have a d.j. again for a company, -- to accompany music during dinner. but we will not be having lines

outside and i'm totally in agreement with that. but the security guard would probably -- more money than we would generate. during the event. so these are the -- these are the conditions. and the menu items, the restaurant -- operating a restaurant is very expensive and we have a full sushi menu to carry this on all the way through midnight, 1:00 or whenever, is extremely expensive. i would suggest a limited happy hour menu, something we could have one employee do in the kitchen. and if that would be reasonable with you. outside of that. >> yeah. i'm the building owner. and i wanted to shed some light on these issues. you know, the lingba lounge

went bankrupt. the sale was approved by the bankruptcy court. and the sale was basically grandfathered all the permits and licenses essentially in. because they were submitted to it. the police department had never indicated to us, none of us have ever heard of any restrictions that they have put in, any conditions. in fact, when the license came back from the a.b.c., there were no conditions placed on the license at all. tonight, for the first time, we heard from the officer that he had put conditions in. and those conditions were never ever shown to us before. so the question now is, as you know, the bar in that location has been -- or a bar in that location has been in existence since 1938. and without interruption. it has always operated until 2:00 a.m. as is blooms down the street.

the officer now tells me that he had put restrictions on bars to close at midnight. that's news to us. if that happened, there is some real serious problems here. because a man bought a business with certain licenses that were given to him by the a.b.c. and now the police tells us that restrictions that nobody has ever seen. >> you have to speak into the microphone. >> you shouldn't be talking back. >> can you -- can you hear me now? so we have to go to see the chief of bayview and find out when did all this happen? i mean, due process says that if the police is going to give you any kind of condition, you got to be notified before you put your check in to buy a business. but now he tells me that he has put in -- >> sir -- >> conditions that aren't there. now, the man signed a lease. the lease specified his obligations to operate the business in a certain way, the

way it was operated previously. now he's being told that that is not exactly what he has. and now they want to resubmit this again as a midnight. closing. now, the previous bars also had very lemented menu. it has always been a restaurant. it was a mexican restaurant and then it was seafood and then it was tanya and sali, a thai food and now sushi. and there was never a requirement that the restaurant stay open until 2:00 a.m. >> ok. we've got that. you want to get the police department up here first? >> commissioner joseph, hang on one second. you want to speak but if we do this in an orderly fashion, i think we'll get through this and be clear about what is in front of the commission tonight and what is issues related to the police and the a.b.c. and so it would be i think probably the best for now if you -- if the applicants don't have any

further information to present, that we allow officer dalton to come to the microphone and then -- it's unlikely. because this is not really a debate. the commission at this point has the ability to do a variety of things. and so they will discuss that. and if they have any questions for you, they'll ask you back up to the microphone. but that's pretty much the way we keep order. >> if i may. i think there's a discrepancy. i didn't hear the officer say we were going to be open until midnight only. >> so for clarity purposes, the conditions you're looking at here are conditions related to your entertainment permit. these are under consideration right now. the commission is the body that will either impose these or not. these are the police department's recommendations to the commission.

and this is for your entertainment only. this does not require or impose closure to your business in any way. this is related only to the addition of the entertainment. so does that make sense? >> it does. thank you. >> ok. >> very well done. >> i think what also needs to be said, you need to be aware that if this is all -- excuse me -- coming too sudden and you aren't prepared for this, you can always request a continuance. >> thank you, commissioner meko. commissioner meko: you do have the right to request a continuance to put this off to another meeting. >> ok. that's fine. we would ask officer dalton to come forward and discuss the proposed amendments by the bayview station.

>> good evening, commissioners. officer dalton, bayview station. going back on the a.b.c. issue, i met with mr. rodriguez prior to him opening up the restaurant. we discussed his business plan. we talked about conditions that would be imposed. i sent my recommendation to our a.l.u. unit, they sent them off to a.b.c. and whether they're aware of them i don't know. i don't know what the process is for an applicant after i get done meeting with them. that being said, i met with marco or mr. rodriguez again. the -- last week i believe it was. discussed similar conditions that would be -- i would be imposing. one of them would be the hours of entertainment. and this is the hours of his operation were straight from his mouth. he wants to be open from -- he told me from 5:00 to midnight. wednesday through i think

either saturday or sunday. i made it from 11:00 a.m. to midnight seven days a week. there was a discussion about the security guard. his occupancy, mr. rodriguez told me, was 70 people. i requested for one security guard. that's it. he is advertising this as a place for d.j.'s and entertainment. and i found a flier at the coffee shop that's been advertised in the bay guardian. this is in line with exactly what he wants to do. or what he told me. >> any questions for the officer? yes. >> could you describe the neighborhood as -- is this heavily residential? >> i would describe it as mostly a mixed use type area. a lot of ground floor businesses for a couple blocks with residents above them.

>> so what i'm wondering is why you would impose a requirement that there be no line waiting outside? >> because there are people that live there. >> but it's a mixed use type neighborhood. >> it would be one -- one of neighborhood. >> this is a classic city neighborhood. >> these are single-family home, flats, what have you. >> ok, there are other clubs. can they have a line outside? >> i don't know any of the

other businesses that are there. there are businesses that are down the block which is a bar. and the other restaurants that are there that have some dining. some of these are in close and these have been placed on some businesses. >> i don't recall us putting a condition on any thing you up until now. we have put conditions on how this is to be managed. this is a first time for me, i think. >> this is the first entertainment permit i have dealt with for the neighborhood. >> i have a question regarding the powers of entertainment.

i heard you say that the restriction and said midnight because that is what you thought the plan was. >> if in fact that he told you that his business plan is to stay open until 2:00 a.m., would you object? >> i will have to ask more questions. >> his application said 12, i believe. >> my reading is it says that entertainment is there as well. >> i don't have the particular applications. >> i will ask questions regarding the proposed entertainment but i want to make sure that the initial communication was based upon this. if he would like to stay open until 2:00 a.m., do you object?

>> at this time, yes. >> i want to address a couple of things in the application. as far as grandfathered, there's no such thing as an entertainment permit that is grandfather. they must be applied for by every person and we are the entertainment commission. the conditions on his lease, this is not our problem. this is something that you take up with your landlord, what ever you were due diligence should have been. i have a couple of things that i wanted to say. i believe that you have to have food available as long as you search of a halt, is that correct? >> yes. >> if you are serving alcohol

after midnight, you have to have food. this is not something that we can deal with here. i'd do disagree with no line outside. i waited for a seat at the chinese restaurant. you cannot have a cooper of people waiting to take that table. that is not friendly to business. >> i am wondering what happens at 11:30. it seems that most people are most likely to be there until 9:00 or 10:00 tonight. >> the code says that you need

one security guard for every 100 people tend to know if you want to entertainment, you have to have a security guard. it does not matter if you are a nice person with a great restaurant, you have to have security. if you feel that would not be advantageous, that is your choice. >> the line of sight of the club was not an issue for you? >> did i understand that?

>> with all due respect to the officer, i think that this is a very difficult job and i appreciate all of the work that the officers to. there is a place down the street which has a full dance -- bands. basically, we want the same -- >> we just want to clarify and keep it. >> we don't want any restrictions to you have any objections? -- we just don't want any restrictions. >> do you have any objections? >> you have no objections to item 5.

>> thank you. >> i have a question. >> regarding the efforts you have made, i know your application says that you spoke to people from the merchants association. i am actually a business owner. we has a line outside and we are open until 2:00. so, who have you spoken to? >> i have not spoken to anyone directly. >> do you know any of your neighbors? >> not directly. >> i was concerned because if

you have an entertainment license, they took their property seriously. i'm relatively new to the commission. when you apply for a place of entertainment license in a mixed use neighborhood, you are really entering into a partnership with your neighbors. if we grant you a license and your neighbors are not on board with the type of businesses that you will run, there will be no rest for you for the neighbors. i don't see any thing that tells me that you have addressed that issue besides some outreach. i know that there is a very active group on the hill.

have you spoken to anyone? >> no, i have not. >> i think that you should. you should also give me greater assurance that your neighbors are ok with you running the business. they have brought something into the conversation to do this would be approval from the neighbors, maybe having a neighbor showing up to testify on your behalf. i would like to see more. i am not against -- i'm not against the staying up till 2:00 a.m. if you want to buy you need to shimmy that you

will be able to manage the line, manage your business, and i am not confident that you have done everything you could. >> let me follow up with that. we have had many cases where people go when to apply for a place of entertainment permit that are reasonable. there are members of the kennedy that have come in and made demands. i think what the commissioner has said is excellent and you might want to consider doing an aggressive outreach to the community and do this on a positive note and we will evaluate that at a later date. maybe it will be an opportunity to get together