have that boundary. sometimes the other people do not come who are not certified. are all the agricultural products certified? that means, anybody who's sells agricultural product -- who sells agricultural product in our market is certified. >> in the certified markets. supervisor maxwell: so since ours is that, all are certified. thank you. >> we had actual beencited for that, -- been cited for that, having non-food vendors next to certified stalls.

because we use of fixed stalls, it would have taken a lot of stalls out of use in order to achieve that required separation. that is why we cannot do that on the spot. i understand, i am sympathetic. i know the wind can be challenging, but our understanding, it is a state requirement. because we had been cited earlier, we are vigilant on making sure that we comply with it. supervisor maxwell: i have another question for you be. regarding fees, you have access to what is going on in the market. some of the markets that are

mentioned in the report have flat fees, from my understanding, and they managed to do ok. my concern is, do all the coffee vendors pay the same amount? is there a staggered fee in the folks that sell pastries and coffee? >> i am sure there is not. we allow the markets to determine that. we took their bids. what they thought they could pay, to be the fees that they paid. we did not do any standardization. supervisor maxwell: and you based that on what you all thought was best. is that what is happening in

other markets, is that just what san francisco does? >> we work closely with the rec and park department in many of their offerings. this is a constant challenge, rate setting. i think we share the velocity of allowing the market to speak. the intent was to create a market floor that we thought was reasonable, and then individual vendors could decide, i could bit more than that because this is my anticipated share of the market. it was always set as a floor. i think maybe what the director is getting at is maybe there is a possibility for a tiered system that would recognize the difference of what they are selling, the likely profit margins they may have. i think we can move to that

system in 2011 in our next bid call. supervisor maxwell: i guess you will discuss it with your cac. >> that is right. i would also like to state court made it with rec and parks. it can be confusing for vendors who go to the market but are also tried to get opportunities where rec/park is offering them. supervisor maxwell: through the chair -- when of the dominaone n -- with a black care -- when you are going from market to market, are you finding that ours is set up in any way like

other ones in other cities? >> no, it is actually confusing and pretty different. there are two things. there are three tiers of fees. it depends on the size of your stall. you have your farmers who pay the lowest fee. then you have your food vendors who usually [inaudible] everybody pays the samefee per stall. as far as coffee -- the profit margins on food, they are pretty much the same across the board. [no audio] then you should not be in the business. [inaudible] not flexible. there might be rainy day

specials in some markets [inaudible] maybe there is inclement weather. there is a set fee. my bid was $100 [no audio] that begs the question why. supervisor maxwell: there might be the balance of who and what -- i do not want to get into that. >> there is a board that usually meets in each market, and they decide -- [no audio] try to keep a balance between citrus [no audio] do not ruined somebody's livelihood. supervisor maxwell: thank you. i do have a question for you.

could you come up? supervisor mar: could you state your name again? >> john akiens. supervisor maxwell: you mentioned the rainy day, being able to -- understanding that we need to have that separation. one of the issues, when they moved the food vendors, that was huge. do you have a better understanding, is this what you have found to be the case? has someone mentioned this to you before? >> yes, i have an understanding based on what was stated. for example, -- first of all, i did not hear what the space was between the certified and non- certified farmers, food vendors. if it is 20 feet, and the distance of an empty stall is 20

feet, then it seems to me that is the separation, so if there are 10 stalls on the other side that are empty, or if there is only one farmer in those stalls, can that one farmer not be moved closer to the other certified farmers' so you still have the other side available for the food vendors? if we are talking about numbers and you have 12 empty stalls because of the rainy season, and farmers do not come all year round -- so it seems like there could be some accommodation. if that is the case, i do not understand why there cannot be an accommodation. supervisor maxwell: how soon in advance how do you have to notify people that you are going to be there, not going to be there? >> in terms of the food vendors not showing up, if you are not going to be there that day, the

protocol is to call that morning and leave a message on the machine, or if you can get a hold of someone in the office. supervisor maxwell: so it is basically within 12 hours or less. >> as i said, the thing that concerns me in raising this question is, when you look at the rainy season, there are quite a few empty stalls. many farmers do not come during that time. i am still not sure what that space will be. supervisor maxwell: i will ask. thank you. yes? >> supervisors, if i may comment for clarification purposes. when you speak about distances between the agricultural certified market portion and non-certified, those boundaries

are drawn up and submitted for the certificate, when they apply for renewal. supervisor maxwell: submitted when who applies? the market? >> yes. when alemany applied for their renewal, they submit a boundary. in the case of alemany, i have not looked at that map. i am sorry, i cannot tell you what the boundaries are. but there is a boundary that identifies agricultural certified and non-certified. supervisor maxwell: thank you. ms. brown? yes, another question. have you looked at the boundary lately, has it changed -- >> if i may.

i think we have relatively simple solution. in our next some middle for application, that we provide a seasonal boundaries so that we have a winter season and summer season boundary. that would give us the flexibility to assign certain spaces for non-certified uses when we know we are going to have those vacancies, so we can be in compliance. we can work with the agricultural commissioner. i think there is a solution we can work to worward. supervisor maxwell: ok, thank you. i would like to continue this. i want to ask our real estate department -- i want to have day a check-in -- hopefully, they have a number of items that they would like to have completed or are working to complete by

december 31. i would ask that maybe the meeting before, if they could come back in and check in with us to let us know where you are. we will have a talk. i will meet with ed lee and ed harrison on the parcels that you are talking about that could help us with parking. supervisor mar: i just want to thank ms. brown and mr. updike for being here, also a time line for setting up the cac. i feel strongly committed the- based people should be at on that committee in addition to small farmers. i know the history of the farmer's market is a grass-roots effort. it is challenging for us to have a people's farmers market. also for small farmers to have a chance versus the big grocery industry, who was opposing this.

i hope that comes from the cac and this remains the people's farmers market. supervisor maxwell: in discussing the cac, they plan to have farmers and people who live around the area, maybe beyond. it needs to be bigger than nine. this is a huge city, historical place, people really love and are dedicated to farmers' markets. it will probably be bigger than what we talked about. we definitely need people who live around, maybe beyond. thank you very much. we will talk again at our continued meeting. supervisor mar: we are continuing this item until -- what was the date? to the call of the chair. we will make sure it happens. ms. stokes are there any other

items before us? supervisor mar: with no other item before us, the meeting is adjourned. thank you.

>> thank you. thank you. thank you for being here. >> santa clara graduate. truth be told. i couldn't get into cal and berkeley. it is not all about cal and berkeley. but of course drew is a better baseball player and moved on in his life and i'm stuck in public service which is hardly a place to feel stuck. i'm very enlivened by it, but i'm trying to make public life more entrepreneurial. that's why i'm here. i am here because i admire the work you're doing and i'm frustrated by what we do in government, it it doesn't necessarily match the entrepreneurial and innovative spirit alive in this room and nom the city and state but across the country and the world. i want to say a few things. we're in san francisco, in one of the most diverse cities and the dirs states and the world's

most diverse democracy. people are prospering and living together across the most imaginable difference. why do i say that? birthplace, united nations, why do i bring that up? i do at the end of the day make this strong point, that nothing matters more than our capacity to recruit and retain the best and the brightest minds from around the world. that what makes san francisco, what makes this state, what makes this country special at our best is that quality of imagination. that innovative and entrepreneurial spirit, that ability to retain the best and brightest minds. that's why it is right that we're in a city that doesn't tolerate its diverseity. we celebrate it each and every day. that human capital, that differentiater. that is alive and well today because you wouldn't be here had it not been for that differentiater. you have a million other cities

that you could be doing this first conference, but you chose san francisco, the birthplace of life science and biotechnology, the home of the california stem cell institute, one of the most dynamic cities still in this very difficult economic climate, the -- the home of twitter and companies like wikipedia, sales force.com. four square as he was mentioning. all of these remarkable companies that are now starting to take shape here in san francisco. play fish, the gaming industry really taking off. zinga and the work that mark is doing and their growth and that potential, all taking shape in this small city that we call home. again, because this is where the talent about that ability to recruit and retain the best and the brightest minds. almost 0-plus percent. not almost, over 40% of the people in the city have

bachelor's degrees or greater. not many cities have that concentration of talent. at the end of the gay, the primary function of a mayor is -- to create the conditions so we could create an environment where people like you can come to -- together and do extraordinary things. now, back to my point, i won't take too much of your time, government -- government needs that entrepreneurial spirit now more than ever for -- for obvious reasons. two that are self-evident to all of you. one, we're broke. the soaked, you don't have that much confidence -- the second, you don't have much confidence to solve your problems. we're better off taking inspiration from you and the private sector and trying to inject it into government as we know it. my friend tim o'reilly came to me a couple of years ago and said, he started talking about

the notion that -- of government as it -- as a vending machine. and that -- you basically pay yore taxes then offproscribed list of products and services, you basically pull the lever and that product or service is dispensed. that's it. that's rather one dimensional. the at some point to have you our consumers, the taxpayers, the shareholders to design government in your interest, individually and collective is limitless. that's really what -- what i am looking -- looking forward to in terms of the work that you're doing. not just for your own interests but -- not just for your private interests but for the public good. that's why a year and a half ago, with tim and others, we came together and we put together an open data strategy for city government. we took a bunch of information

and put it together and said, it is yours. this is your government, this is your information, now go at it. now figure out something to do with this information. something we could never have imagined and my gosh, got forbid would take us a year or two to go through a procurement process. you'll have to do an r.f.i. an r.f.q., r.f.p., lowest responsive bidder. then go through a process and where it goes through hearings and the county board makes their way to the mayor's office and by the time you get it out there, we run out of money and nothing happens. you on the other hand have taken information and in realtime put applications now that exist days, in some cases hours after we put the data, you had days weeks and months and the cost to the taxpayers is zero.

let me give you specific examples. we have an application showcase. if you go to s.f. data.org, you'll get the data we put up. we're barely getting started, we only have 150 data, we're getting started and tomorrow coincidentally, i'm going to acquire with the ordinance, diane executive order and codify with an ordinance to make san francisco government responsible for putting up thousands of data from every city department. be it the department of environment, be it the department of public works, be it the police department and the fire department, et cetera to do the following. we put muni information up, company out of nowhere comes together and calls roots and takes information that exists so you could go on your p.d.a. and instead of worrying about whether we're on time with the public transit, you could find ow in realtime exactly when the

bus will arrive. you got mothers that came together, because -- they actually -- are working more collaboratively to celebrate a lot of work that has been done to our play grounds in san francisco and they put together a mom map application, which uses the g.p. snfment your hand and can tell you where a play ground or park is within your area. you have got crime mapping that is being done now so if you you want to make sure you come to san francisco and you're nervous and you read about the tragedy with the tourist and you're not confident, you're going to stay at a hotel, you're not sure if the tenderloin is the right place, you could go on this crime mapping,.com, application, and you could get all of the latest realtime crime mapping data. well ahead of anything that the city itself produces. we -- we're doing this for literally dozens and dozens of applications. how about this?

how many of you, i imagine, everyone, some of you may never have had this indignity. not waking up in time when those street sweepers are outside. it is as government purposely does this to you. you're working hate and it is 5 a.m. they do the street sweeping. why not 7:00 our 8:00 or 9:00. it is always that hour or two before and you don't want to wake up. now we have an application. we were going to spend 30,000 to put this together, it would have taken us months to go through that procurement process. and folks came can up like that for no cost. now we have an application that will tell you and warn you when those street sweepers are coming so you don't get outrageous tickets. these are the kind of things that are very practical that make a big difference in your lives. very soon incidentally, you're going to be able to go. this is the first city in america that has congestion

parking meter prying, where you have an inventory of all of the on-street parking spaces and you're going to determine the availability of parking in realtime on your p.d.a., so you don't have to circle around the corner 20, 30 times. called s.f. park. again, three dimensional, this is the future of government. real transparency. real accountability. you designing government in your image. i think this is an extraordinary thing. i think this conference is extraordinary. i think you'll laak back and remember this day, five 10 years from now when you can't get in the conference. when they can't just use north but south, but the other masconi we'll be building because hundreds of thousands of people are trying to descend in the region to take advantage of the extraordinary moment in time and that moment has you will create as you build again that quality of imagination and move your

ideas forward. i just wanted to be here and -- as that local government representative saying please don't forget about us. transparency, accountability, efficiency, and real-time information, in the hands of the people that determine it the most, the taxpayers themselves. government not as a vending machine, but government as something all together different. it is -- it is -- it is your mind, it is in your imagination now, and i'm just here to encourage you to unleash it. let you know that san francisco wants to continue to play a role, front and centre and this state, california, needs to do exactly the same. at a time of fiscal crisis and a crisis again of confidence, we can't afford to do anything less. drew, thank you for your wisdom. thank you for organizing this. your friends.

thank you guys for ull a of the great work you're doing. i'm robert chief and i'm the park's supervisor in the parks in the sunset district. i've been working here for 3 years. we are 60-70 street below street level. the 64 acre park. the park is divided into 2 sections we are in the stern area. when you get over to pine lake meadow and pine lake, pine lake is considered a natural area. in 1847, the green family came out here, back then this was

kind of an empty canyon and sand dun area. they claimed this property. in 1892. george green who's a second generation built the truckdaro club house. there was a hotel then. it was said this was the place to go if you were weary of the dirty city and the police. there were a couple of gun fights the front door has bullet holes. i don't ever repair them. 1931 stig mond bought the property from the green family. she donated it to the city of san francisco and had a specification, i'm giving it to the city that will be used forever for the enjoyment forever of the people of the city of san francisco. it has ever since.

every summer the stern grove association in san francisco rec and parks put on 10 free concerts. usually people come out at 10 in the morning it's a family affair. everybody is on the lawn with picnics and it's free. anybody can come out. it's a great way to spend a sunday. >> goes to 1-2 in the afternoon and runs until 5. [music]. thanks to the stern grove association they renovated the concert meadow. it used to be a rolling grafsy area. put in a new stage and stage building. they put in terraces. we get from 8,000 to 12,000 people. and the meadow next to the concert meadow is full of people even though they can't see the music they hear it.

i walked into the meadow several times and they don't even care. we do have literally events going on day and night. the concert association has kids days during the week. the performers come out for hundred 200 kids. now, the truckadero truck house gets rented out for weddings and retirement. the croquet clubs and horse shoes. 2 play grounds, tennis courts. we have from 25 to a hundred dogs here. it's like bisons going across the mid west. there are so many dogs they are covering the ground cht it's a get together. all the dog walkers know