consultants is we apart -- we are spending tens of millions of dollars in community benefit efforts, whether it is employment opportunities, partnerships we're doing with the school district -- we have not been as methodical or intentional around that we have a community benefits program. in the short term from our last meeting in october, it is hard to come up with a concrete number of we are spending exactly this much money on community benefits. chairperson maxwell: maybe not concrete, but it has spent almost a month and a half. i was expecting you to have pulled together something. you may not have it all. i understand that it is in other -- it is in silos. but it could be difficult. but there should be some kind of -- i really want almost what it could be. it could possibly be -- it is

between this and that. but we should have a number of what we are spending. >> we have examples, like we know we are spending 1.5 million with a certain project. chairperson maxwell: but you should have had it itemized. whatever you have -- if you do not have everything, i understand that. but what you do have and what you could get, it is important that we understand what is going on and can see it. >> we agree with you. part of the public utilities commission at the leadership -- the agency wants to bring people on board to begin to inventory whether we are doing, which was a surprise for many people within the puc to see this comprehensive list of efforts under way, is that we want to move to this way with eight robust community benefits program which does exactly what you are saying. i mean, we presented to our own commission on november 23 draft community benefits program which

has language around our commitment to coordinating, monitoring, evaluating, and reporting on the impact the puc is doing around commend to benefits, which will allow us to report back to community benefit stakeholders in places like bayview who want us to know how much we are spending their compared to other -- how much we are spending their based on other -- how much we are spending there based on other districts. this is a methodology to our averts. part of our questions -- which could come up with a ballpark and come back to you even within the next couple of days with trying to pull from those programs and go into the budget and try to pull out -- but we are still finalizing with the inventory is and moving to that place, which is why even in the language around a policy before our own commission we have said

the point of having a community benefits program is around being intentional. that includes being able to monitor and report back on a regular basis. chairperson maxwell: i mean, the whole idea -- you asked for more times a you could do it, so you could come up with a ball park. that was my understanding. it was supposed to be last week. we have given pretty much some time, and you are really basically telling me the same thing you told me in the beginning. you do not have anything. you could not come up with even -- i mean, even if you categorize it, this is what we are doing in the youth part, this is what we're doing in art, or something. i am concerned that this could go on and on and on because nobody may pay attention to it. you get busy and something else happens. this is really extremely important, because you do a lot. it is not just about what you don't do. it is about what you do. that is my concern, that we have

no clue. >> if i am giving the impression that we have no clue, it is not that we don't have a clue. it is that we are in the process of trying to get the details so we can give you accurate information. chairperson maxwell: ballpark would have been all right. >> i can tell you in the arts, for example -- chairperson maxwell: i would like that. >> we spent this past year $5 million based on our 2% above ground money to the arts commission. we definitely have categories weakened paul, but we are doing other pieces. it is not -- we have categories we can polull, but we are doing other pieces. it is not comprehensive, but you're saying you want broad strokes? chairperson maxwell: at least we would know what direction you were going in and how you are approaching it. right now, you were just telling me we are approaching it like this. we still do not have a clue.

it makes it sound like i think you do no more than that. you do have sort of a clue. but it is not presented in any sort of a way right now. so -- >> how about this? chairperson maxwell: what is start with what you have got. >> what i am going to do is add an item of what our immediate next steps will be, where we are. we are in the interim working with our commission to come up with the policy statement around the community benefits that got presented to them on november 23. they will vote and hopefully about that policy at their meeting in january, their first meeting in january. we're beginning to develop the components of the community benefits program and rearranging folks within the puc to come from other enterprises to help us build a program. short-term, based on what we have seen in the inventory,

we're updating our memorandum of understanding with the arts commission. as i said a minute ago, $5 million of our aboveground work went to the arts commission this last year. where we are moving is to redirect and enhance what our partnership -- what our partnership looks like with the arts commission so it is more in line with the puc commitment to making investments in priority neighborhoods and projects that are important to us. we are evaluating all of our task forces and stakeholder groups, looking at things that got mentioned around language capacity and trying to determine how effective those different processes are. we are beginning to wrap up our engagement process as stakeholders in the southeast neighborhood as it relates to community benefits opportunities with the water system improvement program. what we had done in preparation for this meeting was to be able to pull a couple of programs that give a flavor for what the impact is around our community

benefits work. so what we were hoping to do today is go deep on a couple of things that would show you what the impact is both at the monetary level, but also around what type of difference it has made for on the ground, with regard to employment opportunities, and numbers of hours worked. so it is a combination. what is interesting as we have begun to unravel the onion around what we are doing is that some of it is financial. that is extremely important. some of the other metrics we want to be able to share and report back are around jobs created, around hours worked, around in kind services. it is not just -- there is a lot of in-kind of activity that happens to be spearheaded and volunteered by folks within the puc to move these community benefits programs. we know it is financial, tens of

millions of dollars, but also tens of thousands of hours worked. it is x numbers of jobs rearguard to talk to you about tonight. because i have been hitting the ground running, i have brought colleagues here to go into detail a little more about what the impact has been in financial expenditures on programs like the 9910 program and our partnership with the san francisco unified school district. just to give you a flavor of where we're going. i have heard frustration out of wanting more concrete numbers. i will get this to you shortly. i am going to turn it over to tommy wolla, who is assistant general manager for waste water. he would give you a sense of what we're doing with the program and the school district. >> good afternoon.

i am the general manager of the san francisco public utilities commission waste water enterprise. i want to talk about the 9910 program. what i have on the chart before you is something you asked for. how much are we spending? i put it in numbers of dollars and numbers of hours worked. these are operational maintenance positions. that our careers. when i say to you seven positions, it does not sound impressive. construction guys are going to talk about thousands of people on the job. what does not get talked about is how many hours we are talking about. that is why i put the hours on here for our two programs. 9910 is directly out of a view. there are seven positions every two years. if this does not really impress you, the 9910 program is

training them to become stationary engineers. some of them instead become lab technicians working in our laboratories. the also move on to other careers. -- they also move on to other careers. stationary engineers are the ones that operate and maintain our treatment pumps. it is actually a career ladder. what you see here is a career ladder of what they have. 9910 starts on the bottom left. what happens is those seven positions may not be impressive to you, but it is 16 positions of apprentices that the 128 positions of stationary engineers. they feed station -- a feed senior stationary engineer positions, cheeks, and superintendents -- cheifs and

superintendents. for the first time, somebody has completed this letter all the way to superintendent. that is the first person who has ever done in the -- done this out of this program. we are very proud today that this has happened. chairperson maxwell: how many graduates and people have you had, and how many are still employed? >> let me throw this on here. i have a few pages. i have the names. this program has been in place since 1980. we started out with 28 people. 40 more from the community. 14 were from san francisco. a lot of these people have moved on. we are changing lives. we hired them from the community. the next thing you know, they get a good job and want to move to antioch. they want to move to vallejo and get a better house for their children. but we track them.

i have been looking at the numbers. we have pages here. i have 145 that have come through this program. the become apprentices -- they become apprentices. these are the other careers that come from that. the program is extremely successful. we are very proud of it. we have managed it very well. we have revived its since 2004. the hiring process -- i am revising it again for april of 2011. i have that coordinator with a. if you want to know more about it. we're very excited about the program. chairperson maxwell: that was in litigation, am i right? that was because they were rebuilding sewage plants in the bayview. one of the things you all came up with or they came up with at the time was this program. >> yes, indeed. chairperson maxwell: that is

something where you can track how much money and what you have done, and how much yearly money goes into folks. i think that is something you could show and something that if we wanted to look at what possibly will be happening with the new plant, you mentioned you were going to talk more about today what else could happen with the new plant. >> yes. when we expand the new plant, as we move to using new technology, people often say we're going to cut positions. i do not see that happening, just watching the industry and the other places that have upgraded. what we actually see is they have moved on. they have moved from being labor. our workforce is changing, and we have to be prepared for that. they are moving on to more highly technical highly skilled green jobs. we always refer to operators. now people are talking about

green jobs. i believe the operators in this treatment plants are one of the original green jobs, because what they do, as we talk about -- there is only one water. these folks are cleaning it up to be as close to the water as possible that comes from hetch hetchy. we are now teaching a class. we are working together with the san francisco unified school district. marc alvarado, the principle of downtown high school. we're developing a curriculum. this is a career path. you may have heard about our bayworks, how we were involved. there were lot of agencies in water and wastewater. we wanted to find out how many people are leaving the industry. right now, in 1980, the early 1980's, a lot of folks that came

in through the clean water act -- they are all retiring now. here is the career path. we have identified a couple on here. they are electronic maintenance technician and instrumentation patrol. that is just two. we also have another career path, which is for machinists. my family on a machine shop of in redding. we have a hard time finding machinists. we looked all over the world. we finally found one in germany. they need to use machines today that are totally computerized. it is difficult to find. we are hoping we will be able to grow our own in partnership with san francisco unified school district, the college of san mateo, and other agencies in the area. chairperson maxwell: i would not necessarily call that the community benefit. i would call that a benefit to the city and to the public utilities commission. if you can grow your own, that is a benefit to the company -- i

mean to the corporation, and certainly to the city. when i think of community benefits, i think of something that directly affects the community you're dealing with. if it is the art you're talking, the kids. there is a program -- a think it is important to note that a lot of folks that are in our office, our interns, are paid for by the puc, they are paid for by the puc. some of them are at people puc -- are at the puc, but a lot of them are in our offices. a lot of folks in my neighborhood want to be able to work where they go to school. right now, they have to come down here. that is a community benefit for you all to make sure they can work at that plant that is near their home. that is the kind of thing i am talking about. we get 80% of all the sewage

through bayview hunter's point. we see it, we smelled it, we feel it. community benefits. we have another place at north beach. that is kind of what i was expecting. this program is great, but to me this is a city program that should be -- that every high schoolers should know what the puc does and should prepare for this. engineers and all the things you have. the community benefits is not -- the part of our discussion is when you guys came in with a list of community benefits, we had questions about what was the community benefit and what was not. i think you guys need to go back to the drawing board again. the reason i am harping on this is because the puc does a lot,

and people need to understand what they do. our water bills come in and go out. people need to know what else to do, and what the benefit is for the community and for all of us. that is kind of why i wanted something that spells it out a little bit more. because the dollars are city dollars. they are dollars we all spend. where does our money go? that is kind of what i was looking to find. but i am glad to know about your relationships with the high school. the think this is really something that people need to know about. -- i think this is something people really need to know about, because this is going to be amazing. harlan, do you want to come up and take your liking here? >> is this part of the hazing? will commit to -- based on the inventory, based on the categories at the october meeting, we will put numbers on

those categories and will have that for you by next monday. chairperson maxwell: that is good. if you do not have all of them, but you have three categories that you feel pretty comfortable about, that would be helpful. then we can have an idea of where you are going and what you do. that would be helpful. >> we will have that for you by next week. should i ask for karen cooper to come up around the sewer system improvement program resolution? chairperson maxwell: then that person will not have to come back next week. >> exactly. come on up. >> karen cooper, a developer of the sewer system improvement program. part of the resolutions going forward -- one was on the biosolids digester facility. that is going to be an enhancement to the southeast neighborhood. it is the biggest project in the sewer system improvement program. it is $1.40 billion to $2.40 billion in size. is an opportunity to incorporate

green jobs, the arts, architecture, the neighborhood, landscape enhancements, and open environment, so that high school students, college students, interns, and in printed ship programs can all be part of the -- and apprenticeship programs can be part of the program. we will be producing a reusable products. we want to employ state-of-the- art facilities, meaning new processes, new technology that is available to us now so that we do not have odors. we do not have operational problems that have happened in the past. it is a reverse of the southeast water pollution control act. we'll talk about how we can incorporate this and they get an opportunity and a win for the neighborhood. by improving the visual impact and i also relocating the facility so that it is further from residents of being part of the community, it is not something that is directly 20

feet away from where residents currently live. the project requires balancing a lot of things. we have to cite a fairly large facility. -- site a fairly large facility. it is a regular part of our treatment facility. siting, our neighbors' risk, conditions -- these were some of our considerations. we talked about how we looked at 17 different sites. that does not look good on the screen. i am sorry. chairperson maxwell: we can see it. >> what this map showing is the original shoreline prior to a lot of mud being placed on the outside of the city. this line here was the original shoreline. we are concerned that this facility that we build be there for the future, for the next 50 to 100 years, so it is not

subject to sea level rise or earthquake damage. we are looking at that very carefully. as you know, we talked a lot about the adjacent site to the southeast plan. that has good soil and would be a good candidate location for this facility. we are looking at potentially being able to use the central shop site for the digesters. this would situate them between southeast and the railroad tracks, enabling us to have a new location that would be well screened from the neighbors. we did not talk last time about the size but in the soil, just to highlight that for you. in a nutshell, i think we have an exciting opportunity to change and give the whole facility a facelift while making it an opportunity for the neighbors to in gauge fully. -- engage fully. thank you. chairperson maxwell: we think all the folks who participated in this.

-- we thank all the folks who participated in this. we took from the community a lot of their suggestions dealing with -- karen? >> everything. jobs, opportunities for visual, opportunities for sites, opportunities for -- i did not credit the digester task force. this was a very unique process for us, the project team. we worked with nine individuals who were very committed to trying to get the best project for their community. we met at the southeast plant. we had 18 months worth of meetings. there were not gentle with us. they would beat us up, basically. they set the agendas. they set the tone. sam is maybe not here. sam is here. sam kept the meetings going. he kept everyone basically in

line so that we were productive. at the end, when the group had to come to decisions and make majority decisions together, they compromised. they really did work together. it was an exciting and unique process, and really one of my career for me. >> we also added environmental justice language that community folks brought to us to make sure that was a part of it. i wanted to mention that as well. harlan? >> assistant general manager for infrastructure, here to also say that we have been looking at numbers. the thing that we are cautious about is, for example, when we talk about project poll, we can give you how much we pay the students, but we want to make sure they are providing a valuable service for the puc.

we are not just providing money to the kids. they are doing work for the puc. then we have to capture the city staff that are supervising, the time they're putting in. there are a lot of things for it is hard to get a number. we want to give a robust number. we do not want to say 50,000 of our 30 million. i am just trying to make -- chairperson maxwell: you all are engineers, and i understand that. but we are not necessarily engineers. you are into the science and everything needs to cross and meat. i understand that. however, i need you to relax a little bit on this and give us some ideas. come back with that. i know engineers and i know how you're thinking. but we need to relax a little bit and give us some overall. then you can come back with some of the details later. you know how that works. we do want the details. thank you all very much. any further comments from you

all? i have not done public comments yet. we of not called for public comment. sam murray? >> i am present and accounted for. thank you for this opportunity. in one thing i would like to mention earlier, because i think it is important and we can ticket -- and we tend to forget these things -- i would like to share some events with you. when is the program started as the 9916 program under alice pitcher historically.

i think mr. wallace should be given credit for how he helped to improve the program in the standpoint of what we did when we look at the program and redeveloping it before we got our new coordinator. we looked at it from a different perspective. when you have a training program that does not ever get someone into management, he and i felt that was a failure. we created. the way we looked and developing getting someone from the community that actually could help to motivate other students at a higher level -- you had a pre-apprenticeship program that became an apprenticeship program. we do have an individual from that program that actually became a grade 5 who is still in the apprenticeship program. i think that is the part that you want to hear. the other thing we did in that program is a task force in which we received from this program --

there were the highest in the community. as a matter of fact, two of our people from that program scored the highest in that test. i think people need to understand that. tommy has done a great job with that. i also think the community career day, which you participated in -- after we did career day at thurgood marshall high school -- people always have this tendency of thinking of bayview hunters point as only african-americans, but that is a very diverse community. in that process, thurgood marshall has a very high asian population at that school. understanding that they went up 67% when we started the tour de in that community. also people do not understand that by creating the program -- the art work around the southeast plant is artwork from

the children from bayview hunters point and the southeast sector. there are some great things that have occurred. the other thing that has happened there is that we have created the relationship with the city san francisco city college. we met with the chancellor and also met and helped enforce the relationship with the community and the trustees in city college. those are things people do not see we are doing. we're creating a way to give access. they do parking in front of the community college. tickets are given their at a certain time. we do our cleaning at the time when much of the students are there. we're changing the flavor of the community, and with the garden program and all of those things that i think folks have not had a time to take a look at. the task force -- how the task force was developed. the