examiner" brings up a good point, and i think we should have a chat about that. >> thank you for having me back up. i have been listening to the questions raised in the discussion. the retention piece of it, we are required by brown and sunshine requirements to post things within 72 hours of meetings. for publication purposes, for regular meetings, we have to publish 36 hours in advance. for special meetings, 18 hours in advance. all the court staff works diligently to make sure we meet those deadlines. san francisco, the city and county, is unique and different from the rest of california. we are required, from the sunshine ordinance, to publish the agenda is, minutes, and

legislation introduced documents. especially at the board of supervisors office. [inaudible] [unintelligible] ] they are just posted outside in a place that is visible and on the website as well -- [inaudible] publish our agendas and minutes. >> you may want to put the microphone closer to you. to the point which is important, with regard to being able to affirm what i understand is the foundation of onset of one we are supposed to post something, the issue that was brought up for consideration is, you have something that is time stamped. you have something that is memorialized, essentially.

how would we make sure that that would not be compromised? >> we will be working with the department of technology on the process, as well as other departments to get the information out, and what they need to do. one piece that we are thinking about is, there is an actual proof of service, posting, which some weone will sign off on. that is important, in case we are sued or something else happens, that we are in accordance with the brown act. >> even though my initial legislation -- before i introduce an amendment -- it was more in the direction of moving completely into the internet,

but we stopped so that it is shared with newspapers. we wanted to find that balance. that is my objective to the folks from the industry. it is not one or the other, it is both. it is to increase the orbit of obligation to make sure that both fronts are used as tools for notification and information transmission. >> just as a recap, in my earlier comments, this does not preclude us from printing the other requirements pursuant to state and federal law in the official newspapers. this includes fee adds, general plan amendments, the zoning in turn controls, ground leases, eminent domain, free vacations, cids, and ordinances. >> i hate to make your life and

staff costs life more arduous with regard to responsibility, but he reminded me of the time advance of when you are to post things based on sunshine and brown act practice. what if we were to extend that? instead of the minimum of hours, what if we were to say, instead of 18 hours, that it be 72 hours, one before? that is not before us, and i don't mean to put you on the spot, but you reminded me that sometimes is a challenge. we don't give that much of a preview of what are things to come. i'm wondering, is that something that you think we should start looking at as well, too? >> well, the brown act requires us to post things 72 hours in advance for regular meetings. that is something that we do. in addition to that our administrative code says that special meetings are posted 772

hours in advance. it's difficult to get something out before that and working with the committee chairs as well as coming to the board agenda, it's very difficult, you're working up to that last minute to get that stuff posted to meet those timelines. >> i know that's a different subject and a different piece of legislation. what it does is it sets the floor, it doesn't set the ceiling with regard to how much advance notice that we provide. i think to many departments, i think that is worthy of a further conversation. thank you, i appreciate it. colleagues, i also just wanted to let you know that we had guesstimated based on the budget of what the city does spend on the current practice of notification that the office of contract administration guesstimates that we would spend $346,000 in 2010-2011 and

that by us moving together the strategy, not only will we be able to increase i think access to information and notification toward the citizen ry on all fronts and modernizing the tools that are already in the city's assets and underutilized currently and newspaper notification, we're still realize a savings of $200,000. in the scheme of things, it looks like a lot of money, but right now we're looking for every nickel and dime that we can in the fourth year of this deficit. supervisor campos: legally every individual has to be given the same amount of time. so you get, so you get one opportunity. so those are the rules, i'm sorry, thank you very much. supervisor mirkarimi: i'd be happy to take a question afterwards, if you like. supervisor campos: we have some amendments that have been

introduced. before we act on the item, can we have a motion to adopt the amendments. supervisor mar: so moved. supervisor campos: take that without objection. on the underlying item, if we can have a motion. supervisor mar. supervisor mar: i move this forward as a committee report on the december 7 board meeting. supervisor campos: great, i would ask if i could be added as a co-sponsor supervisor mirkarimi. supervisor mar: i would like to as well. supervisor campos: if we can take that without objection. supervisor mirkarimi: i would like to thank everyone that came and waited on this. supervisor campos: thank you very much. madam clerk, if you can call the next items. >> items number 8 through is 1 are regarding existing litigation. would you like to adopt the motion to go into closed session with the city attorney. supervisor mar: so moved. supervisor campos: we have a

motion by supervisor mar to go into a closed session. are there any members of the public that would like to speak? seeing none, that is closed. we will take that motion without objection. we would ask the clerk to clear the room so that we can go into closed session. supervisor campos: we are back on and before we turn it over to the city attorney, if we can get a motion not to disclose the closed session discussion. so we have a motion by supervisor mar, if we can take that without objection. mr. deputy city attorney. >> on above of the city attorney's office, i want to thank the committee moving forward with items 8 through 11 as committee reports for december 7 with recommendations. supervisor campos: thank you very much. i believe this is the last meeting of the calendar year for the rules committee.

again, i want to take this opportunity to thank all of the members of the committee, supervisor mar, supervisor alioto-pier, to once again thank the clerk linda wong for the tremendous work that she does, to the city attorney's office, to mr. chen and also to the staff of sfgtv who have been covering the meeting for the last, the entire year and to all of you who have been watching, happy holidays. madam clerk, is there any other business before the committee? >> no, mr. chair. supervisor campos: great, thank you very much. meeting adjourned.

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