>> because there are people that live there. >> but it's a mixed use type neighborhood. >> it would be one -- one of neighborhood. >> this is a classic city neighborhood. >> these are single-family home, flats, what have you. >> ok, there are other clubs. can they have a line outside? >> i don't know any of the other businesses that are there. there are businesses that are down the block which is a bar.

and the other restaurants that are there that have some dining. some of these are in close and these have been placed on some businesses. >> i don't recall us putting a condition on any thing you up until now. we have put conditions on how this is to be managed. this is a first time for me, i think. >> this is the first entertainment permit i have dealt with for the neighborhood. >> i have a question regarding the powers of entertainment. i heard you say that the restriction and said midnight because that is what you thought the plan was.

>> if in fact that he told you that his business plan is to stay open until 2:00 a.m., would you object? >> i will have to ask more questions. >> his application said 12, i believe. >> my reading is it says that entertainment is there as well. >> i don't have the particular applications. >> i will ask questions regarding the proposed entertainment but i want to make sure that the initial communication was based upon this. if he would like to stay open until 2:00 a.m., do you object? >> at this time, yes. >> i want to address a couple of things in the application.

as far as grandfathered, there's no such thing as an entertainment permit that is grandfather. they must be applied for by every person and we are the entertainment commission. the conditions on his lease, this is not our problem. this is something that you take up with your landlord, what ever you were due diligence should have been. i have a couple of things that i wanted to say. i believe that you have to have food available as long as you search of a halt, is that correct? >> yes. >> if you are serving alcohol after midnight, you have to have food. this is not something that we can deal with here. i'd do disagree with no line

outside. i waited for a seat at the chinese restaurant. you cannot have a cooper of people waiting to take that table. that is not friendly to business. >> i am wondering what happens at 11:30. it seems that most people are most likely to be there until 9:00 or 10:00 tonight. >> the code says that you need one security guard for every 100 people tend to know if you want to entertainment, you have to have a security guard.

it does not matter if you are a nice person with a great restaurant, you have to have security. if you feel that would not be advantageous, that is your choice. >> the line of sight of the club was not an issue for you? >> did i understand that? >> with all due respect to the officer, i think that this is a very difficult job and i appreciate all of the work that the officers to.

there is a place down the street which has a full dance -- bands. basically, we want the same -- >> we just want to clarify and keep it. >> we don't want any restrictions to you have any objections? -- we just don't want any restrictions. >> do you have any objections? >> you have no objections to item 5. >> thank you. >> i have a question. >> regarding the efforts you

have made, i know your application says that you spoke to people from the merchants association. i am actually a business owner. we has a line outside and we are open until 2:00. so, who have you spoken to? >> i have not spoken to anyone directly. >> do you know any of your neighbors? >> not directly. >> i was concerned because if you have an entertainment license, they took their

property seriously. i'm relatively new to the commission. when you apply for a place of entertainment license in a mixed use neighborhood, you are really entering into a partnership with your neighbors. if we grant you a license and your neighbors are not on board with the type of businesses that you will run, there will be no rest for you for the neighbors. i don't see any thing that tells me that you have addressed that issue besides some outreach. i know that there is a very active group on the hill. have you spoken to anyone? >> no, i have not. >> i think that you should. you should also give me greater assurance that your neighbors

are ok with you running the business. they have brought something into the conversation to do this would be approval from the neighbors, maybe having a neighbor showing up to testify on your behalf. i would like to see more. i am not against -- i'm not against the staying up till 2:00 a.m. if you want to buy you need to shimmy that you will be able to manage the line, manage your business, and i am not confident that you have done

everything you could. >> let me follow up with that. we have had many cases where people go when to apply for a place of entertainment permit that are reasonable. there are members of the kennedy that have come in and made demands. i think what the commissioner has said is excellent and you might want to consider doing an aggressive outreach to the community and do this on a positive note and we will evaluate that at a later date. maybe it will be an opportunity to get together and go over the hours and the other requirements that you might like the challenge. >> when would this happen again? when would be the next meeting?

>> this would be december 14th. >> we have heard what you had to offer. if you want to keep the process moving, we can represent the issue. >> we don't have an issue. >> your security plan needs to be revised well and updated. it asks if you will be hiring any officer. do you know with these kind of officer is? >> no, i do not. >> these have to be filled out

truthfully and with soft. i believe that we will have to revise your security plan as well. if you would use an outside company, we would like to know who they are. i live as you to have a better and more comprehensive plan. i understand you are a restaurant and you think you don't need one but in order to get one of our parents, you do. -- one of our permits, you do. >> you have issues with the

hours of entertainment. can't -- will you have a deejay on the premises providing entertainment seven days a week? is this something you would rather focus of around on the weekend? the reason i'm asking is what officer dalton is trying to say. if there is a concern that the one not have to have a security guard until 8:00 at night, is this something that you want to address the ruefully have a security guard here from 11:00 a.m. until midnight? these kinds of things i feel need to be addressed if the bit so we can focus on what has to be handled >> i don't remember

the hours. >> our is that in a timid can be offered. >> i don't recall that. -- howell is that entertainment can be offered. >> i took the 11:00 a.m.. i believe that he said originally from 5:00 until midnight. the call for me was to this with

the original plan. >> the ego. >> we have a big picture point. before you file an application, you are given an outline and explain to you how you can do some out reach to your neighbors. this is useful to your neighbors to find out what you're doing and this is useful to you as to what your concerns might be. the problem is that the city attorney does not allow us to require this right now.

>> this is a requirement. you did not fill this out. in your application, you do say your hours monday through sunday, a 11:30 a.m. until 2:00. then you also say it small bands, minimum possible levels, it deejays, no other licensees.

>> we don't have any soundproofing. >> we understand that you will be required to contain your sound. this will not be able to be audible in any neighboring homes or businesses. >> are there any other questions? thank you very much. in the public comment? -- any public comment? do we need to vote on this? >> i move that based on the applicant's request that we grant a continuance to the next

meeting, december 14th when the applicant will bring and provide security plan. >> i second that. >> we have to call the roll. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye/ >> aye. >> item number8, commissioner's comments and questions. >> happy thanksgiving to you. >> i have comments over on this side.

>> you must have difficulty looking this way. >> thank you. you have missed me. i just wanted to mention again the request that we agenda it is a closed session for consideration of establishing a process to select a new director. this is explained in the city charter. this is not a decision to be made by the mayor's office and this is not a decision to be made by the president of this commission, this is to be established by the commission itself. it does require being put on the agenda.

that is within the rights of this commission. until this is agenda eyes, we cannot begin the process. -- until this is on the agenda, we cannot begin the process we want to make sure that the position is legally posted, a proper amount of time goes by, then it is up to this commission to select three nominees. she can choose among those three if she is not pleased with the selections. it is up to us and then we can look at other nominees. we have to get the ball rolling the matter who is the mayor. we should agenda it is -- put a

closed session on the agenda. >> there's no obligation that we opposed this. >> this will be at the wisdom of the president. >> right. >> does this need to be formal? >> we would just collectively discuss how we want to proceed. >> ok. >> we would just leave this that should we just leave this.

>> this is just a closed session. it is difficult for us to get in one room. it is easier for us to get to our states in january? >> well, if we are e-mail to the days that work best, then we can respond to those. >> we are not doing it without her. i am flexible. in the last time we did it on a saturday morning and that seems to work really well, for me anyway. >> january 8th. >> that is fine with me. >> i cannot do the 15th. >> that is a saturday.

i commend to the 15th. -- i cannot do the 15th. >> january 8th. >> we can do this now if you all have calendar is available or if you would rather meet, if no one is objecting at this point to go with your saturdays in january. >> i am good with every -- >> every saturday. >> we could to january 8th and then see what to the other two commissioners have to said. >> this is good for me. >> i picked a good day. and yes. >> do we need to arm wrestle over this? >> no. i have to try to find a

location that is free or less than free. again, ideally, the side of city hall. this requires 15 days. >> this is an open public meeting. a to your public notice, we need to post these changes and what might be conditioned for at least 10 days. hot -- i will seek some clarification on what the items

will be. >> i believe that we have some last-minute public comment. >> ok. >> this is a small comment. i just want you to know that my daughter has worked very hard to create an environment where it is not an adversarial thing for people to get permits to work with the police, to work with the entertainment and to keeping you working, friendly, and she cares about it.

it is interesting for me to see this and for her to be so interested in this and making it come to pass. this would not have happened without her. >> i agree. >> i want you to be my mother. >> i think what she has to say about making the city liable and keeping it for those who live there but also making it for those who come from the outside to come to the city and why they come to the city and make sure that this is done in a way that the police and it the i don't know, that they understand that this review should work and everyone has to work together on this and be on the same page.

she does a good job and i'm proud of her. >> thank you. [laughter] >> the final item is new business request for future agenda items. i will just read staff that short of any major unforeseen circumstances, we will add the closed session to the next meeting and established in the executive director. i believe we have our forced endorsement -- first endorsement. okay, no more public comment, we will end the tuesday, november 23rd meeting of the entertainment commission of the city and county of san francisco. the meeting is adjourned. thank you.