attorney is already involved in the process now. and after that, it is my understanding that it would be ready to come forth you. >> the people that have interest in this are taught to? >> i am sure that will happen. >> we have had a number of these over the years, and every time we go back in here and we get one of these pieces of force, it is really good that we put it in this form, a bulletin. even though it is not in that format, it is the law of the land. i just want to make sure, i know

every instance has its own certain stance. but to me, it is pretty clear. if i am wrong, i just want to make sure that i am not misunderstanding that. those other cases that we have seen. >> be vehicle being considered the only weapon. and placing yourself in harm's way, we have a number of those, too. it means to provide some clarity because the other thing i have heard is the policy has not been clear. this seems to be pretty straightforward, and although each case has its own

circumstance, it seems to me to be pretty clear how you should act in these circumstances. if my perceptions are correct, just tell me. if i was an officer and i read this, i would have a pretty good idea of how to act in those circumstances when there is a vehicle involved. >> this bulletin would be part of the review process from june 3 of this year and to where we are today. >> this bulletin, the wording appears clear, but it doesn't seem to have worked out like it is supposed to. we have seen a couple of cases where they have not been followed. i wanted definitely encourage you to confer and get their take on this. and try to get us with a set

date. i am wondering january 26, the last wednesday of the month would be reasonable time line for the community meeting? 12 as though we have, it looks like. >> i want to commend the city attorney that has been working very hard on this. she might be a good person to ask, commissioner. >> it might be hard to come up with a date with the holidays coming up. it might be hard to get all of the parties together and have the meeting that is required. i would suggest that you look at the first meeting of february if you want the documents to go through a thorough and comprehensive review.

>> we will do that for the first week of february. >> thank you very much. >> the occ director report and recent activities. >> members of the audience, you already have the statistical report on your consent calendar. but also in november, the facilitated the mediation of three complaints. in addition to our investigation and mediation activities, will also participate in every.

we describe our functions to individuals that were interested. that concludes my report. >> the commission president's report and the commissioner's reports. >> i did write a lungs on saturday with the men and lemon of central station during the daytime. being a prosecutor means informed being -- means being informed with what is happening on the streets. this dovetails with one of the biggest issues. in that four-hour.

-- four hour peio,d the -- period, they were union square shoppers. people that were mentally ill are sitting there talking to themselves. the treat them with compassion. they are committing small crimes in trying to urge them to move on. two of them said they were immediately contacting the occ . the officers have to deal with quite a bit out there in the streets. they are not psychologists for psychotherapists. it turns out one of these people as a convicted sex offender. again, the work was great. a call came out over the air,

and the cooperation of this one call, a woman got off the bus in chinatown and her 6-year-old son did not get off the bus. immediately, they had a cantonese speaking officer there and we had officers coming in from the motorcycle units volunteering to stop the buses throughout the city. she had a disabled child and shopping bags. it was incredible. if found them heading back and walking back to his house. it was a pretty scary thing. again, i urge all of the commissioners to do that. i rode with a very experienced police officer. they just received the award. how incredible experience. we are having a meeting.

we're going to deal with these issues. we're going to have a full period about officer issues. lead to get the message out that the officers are getting the brunt of this and we need more participation from other agencies. i would like to hear from the officers. one guy they couldn't even arrest because it was a high of unit. it was amazing what they did. we are going to have that meeting and i want to make that a priority with the commission. there was recently an officer- involved shooting. and the call to service was numerous.

the offices are picking of the brunt of that. that is my report. i apologize if it is of little long. >> this is a follow-up to the same thing as your ride-along, commissioner. i had a right along scheduled for the bayview district in january, and i am arranging with captains who were the other is to have a town hall meeting that occurred last night and i attended that. there were about 30 neighbors in the area that attended that meeting together with the captain as well as the supervisor of elections. the object of the meeting was to talk about citizens' concerns in the neighborhood and around pedestrian crossing, and in

particular, the bridges and whether there should be partial closures or whether there was lighting or other preventive measures that would be like a partial closing. there was not a resolution last night, but statistics regarding those types of crimes were provided by the police department. it was enlightening to be there and hear some of the concerns of the neighbors and how they are addressing it. in getting the concerns. >> i am not sure if the assistant chief wants to speak to this, but i know that chief

gaston is sending 3 sfpd representatives to memphis to ride along with their police officers to observe how they respond to the mentally ill using a crisis intervention teams. in this area of making policy recommendations of how officers could interact. commissioner hammer: in the issue of dna and rape cases, we hear the horror stories. i have some good news is that i want to share.

listen to this. rickets have to be picked up within 72 hours in the department is committed to testing every single rape kit incidences' go within 14 days. compared to where we were six months ago and five years ago, it is manhattan, a great problem -- it is a stunning and great progress. i wanted to mention the woman that was murdered. they sat there for over two years, and while and sat there, the man raped other women. if we had tested that sample

within 14 days, we would have found a hit because he was in prison for slashing a woman in the face with a razor. this is real life and death kind of stuff. it is really together with capt. -- really making tremendous progress. and for them to come back with the commission on where they were, cuda's to them -- kudos to them. >> any public comment regarding the chief's report? getting quicker, clyde. >> i would like to clarify the

murders. [unintelligible] >> dr. marshal wants to pu tyou ot you on the payroll . >> this in the afternoon chasing around drought santa clauses. -- drunk santa clauses. [laughter] >> it wasn't me. >> anit was quite the scene, i tell you.

item number 4. >> routine administrative business. >> just a reminder that next week closing commission meeting will be a medal of valor ceremony. it will be at 5:00 p.m. december 15 at the mission bay conference center. 1675 owens street. >> that is part of the new mission bay complex. i strongly urge the public to be present havre the award of these metals of valor to the officers. there are several gold medals and bronze medals. their heroism is just incredible and there will be a full presentation. i encourage everybody to attend.

>> are we also dark on of the twenty second at 29? in-house-- 22nd and 29th? i just wanted to let everybody know. and >> we were looking in january. we will post that since we have it. we have been the contact of northern station. and with reference to line item b, consideration for future commission meetings. i think we have picked a february 2 for the deal with the

revision and adoption of a general overhaul about discharging a firearm. i said earlier, it will be a meeting closed myself regarding the mental health issue, so will be scheduling a hearing. we want to hear from the officers that are out in the streets each station make a represent -- send a representative. toolee also schedule early in the year, her discussion of the priorities for the calendar for issue going forward? he spent considerable time during our retreat setting our objectives and our criteria for priorities and selecting priorities. we made an attempt to put them in order at that time. should we revisit that to make sure that we get these items on

the calendar? commissioner hammer: one of these that finished some months ago, are these definitely set in january? that is all i had. >> item 5 is a public comment on all matters relating -- pertaining to close the session, including the vote on whether to go into closed session. >> public comments regarding closed session items? they are disciplinary matters because they are involved with the decision by the california supreme court. call item no. 6. >> a vote on whether to hold closed session?

>> we are now moving into closed session. we will stay >> commissioners, we are back in open session. >> item 8 is a vote whether to let any or all discussion held in closed session. >> second. >> all in favor, aye. >> before moving to line item 9, i'd like to adjourn tonight's commission hearing public comment. seeing none? thank you. i'd reich to adjourn our meeting tonight in honor of gary hazelhof if er. he recently retired. he leaves behind a wife and two

children. he was a dedicated member much our san francisco police department and he will be missed by this police family and by his family. i worked with gary as a prosecutor, and he always had a smile on his face, and he always had a good thing to say. reading some of the comments in his owe pitch ri -- obituary talking about the other officers and what true partners they were. i would like to adjourn tonight's hearing in honor of former police officer gary hazelhoffer. >> second. >> the time is 7:18. [at 7:18 p.m. the meeting is adjourned]

>> cents and cisco's buses and trains serve many writers -- san francisco buses and trains serve many riders. the need to be sure they can get off at their intended stop. the digital voice announcement system, which announces upcoming stops, can help these low vision riders know where they are, but

only if set properly. >> it is a wonderful piece of technology, but in practice, it is a little bit more tricky. oftentimes, i find that the automatic announcement system is turned off or turned down so low that i'm unable to hear it, or it is turned up so high that the sound is distorted. >> most of the time, it does not ever seemed to be on. or is it is, it is a really quiet. occasionally, it is so loud that it is distorted. >> driver, may i have california st., please? >> no problem. >> whenever the announcement system does not work properly and a driver does not call out the stops, and i'm totally lost as to where i am. the announcement system calls out the stops, but to help the customer, i caught the destination, transfer points,

and requested stops. and it is the law. >> i use the p a system to make sure everyone on the bus here is my announcements. >> i have had both experiences with the loudness and the to stop for the announcements. you are never going to have it exactly balanced for every trip because your level of noise changes. the announcement system ranges from 1 to 10. 10 would be too loud, a little distorted. eight is a good number. not too loud, but loud enough for everyone to hear and understand what is going on. >> i think bus drivers might not be aware of the fact that if you let a visually impaired person off at the wrong stop, number one, they may be absolutely unfamiliar with the area they are in. >> the driver overshot the stock that i wanted. i decided to get off and find my way back, but it was very disorienting, not exactly

understanding how far i was. number 2, it might be a potentially dangerous situation if they do not know the area and are attempting to make crossings that they are unfamiliar with. >> they let me off somewhere else. i had no idea where i was. i missed the stop, and the bus was gone. then, i look around. i tried to find someone to help me, and i cannot find anybody. i would have no way of knowing where i am at. >> [inaudible] i asked why he did not stop when i asked. we did not panic. we do not know where we are. we do not know what is going on. i get over there, and right away, i almost got killed. >> #3, it's the person in question is trying to get

somewhere, it is going to make them late for whatever they are doing. >> i had to find my way to a corner and ask someone where i was going to and how to get there. i eventually made it to my appointment, which was with social security, but i was very late, and they almost did not see me. >> i was very late former doctor's appointment, and there was concern about whether or not i could be fit in. >> when i get off i stock that is unfamiliar to me, because i have no sight, i cannot just automatically orient myself off to a new environment. it takes a lot of training, a lot of work. there are a lot of skill sets involved when i am first introduced to a new area. to get off at an unfamiliar bus stop for the first time and to do it unintentionally -- it can be a really disorienting experience. >> i think there is a sense that it is ok, that person is going

to find their way, and did they do not know where they are, you are potentially putting them in a seriously dangerous situation. >> i always appreciate when the drivers are proactive in asking questions like, "where do you want to get off?" i appreciate when they help find a seat for me. i also appreciate when everything is working properly as far as the voice announcement system. they make sure that it is turned on, that it is loud enough for everyone to hear, not turned down so low that it helps no one. >> excuse me, driver, what stocks are we at? can you remind me when we get to venice and broadway? thanks. >> what we're talking about here is full participation and inclusion. i want to be able to lead a full

life. the only way that i'm able to get from place to place this by using a fully accessible public transit system like meany -- muni. >> the americans with disabilities act of 1990 is a wide-ranging federal civil- rights law that prohibits discrimination against persons with disabilities. title two of the ada addresses access to public services, including public transportation for persons with disabilities. it requires transit operators to call out stops at transfer points, major intersections, and major destinations, and to announce particular stocks requested by customers with disabilities. stop announcements are especially important for passengers who are blind or have low vision. these individuals cannot travel independently if they are not assured of getting off at their

intended destination point.