i think there is still a lot more to figure out here. i am glad that so many members of the public had the courage to come out and state their concerns for the working people's neighborhood. these are people that work. they have been here. they put their heart and soul into this community and this city. i do not think we can ignore the fears that they have. i think it is important to look at each individual and see and take into consideration each individual that lives there. i look forward to further conversations on this. >> i will reiterate what my fellow commissioners said. thank you all for your time and

for being here this evening. i want to pick up on the theme that commissioner sugaya brought about in local and organize. it is very important. we have our meetings. they are televised. you can send e-mail set any time. you can also come and participate in the process. i know there will be several more hearings on parkmerced. it will be very important that we hear from you and your supervisor hear from you. if a tree falls and no one hears it, does it make a sound? it is the classic phrase. people always ask. we know that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. i am not saying that is the right way that things are. if people are not vocal or out there, people do not know really what is going on. it is important your supervisor knows how you feel about this. it is important that you come to a place -- it is really

important to figure out what is acceptable. is there anything that is acceptable? i think it is really important to think about. we always look for how we can craft the best opportunity for the city and community. we all know that you live here. you are passionate about it. i cannot imagine a by lived somewhere for 50 years and had faced not being in the same place i had been in my whole life. i cannot imagine how that would feel. i think it is really important that we bring all this together to figure out how we create the parkmerced of the future that allows the working class people, the people who have boys lived here and enjoy the community for what it is, to also be able to embrace some degree of newness as well to create a community that is best for everyone. that is what it is all about. we have to figure out how we can together kraft the best opportunity that supports your

lives and also supports the city overall. none of us have figured out where we are on the project. we're learning about it as it is evolving and unfolding. we are answering and asking the same questions that you are about all the different elements of the plan. that is related to housing, rent control, everything. nothing is on or off the table at this point. everybody is listening to everything as it unfolds and try to figure out how we do the best work we can for you to make this city the best place it can be. i want to say that it is really important to be active and vocal. being constructive is another important element of things. sometimes that gets lost in the debate of things. we all know that at some level and at some degree, there will always be change and progress. the thing is to be part of that in a way that is positive for

all of us. that is the thing i would add. i hope he will check out our planning web site. you can see our calendars. it has the items there. you can also download any sort of agenda items. you can also send something to the secretary. all the information is there. i encourage you to be active participants in making your community better. >> before we adjourn, if i may, there was a side remark earlier when the material was submitted about whether we read it. yes, we do. we really do. any emails that you send to the commission go to our secretary. she instantly forwards them to all of us. they get an hour in box immediately. all of that material is taken into consideration.

we do not just set it aside. it is our obligation as commissioners for san francisco and for u.s. citizens to do that. -- and for you, as citizens, to do that. those who send emails and did not show up at public testimony, we hear from everybody. it is not just the developers whose presentation we hear. it is not only the staff and gives us there learned opinion. -- their learned opinions based on the codes and what they do. it all comes into consideration. i do not want anyone to think that we ignore it because we do not. >> mr. president, could i have one last word? following up on that comment, i may be accused of not listening to testimony. but i did go through one document handed to us by pauley marshall.

she was the person who identified herself as a commissioner from the rent board but was not speaking on behalf of the rent board. she did present a fairly lengthy opinion with respect to the development agreement and her viewpoint coming from the rent board. it is quite compelling. i think we need to have city attorneys take a look at this. i would like to especially have the attorneys who staff the report at a hearing where we can ask some questions raised in this document. [applause] i frankly do not have the city attorney's offices staffed the various departments of boards. i do not think our land use staff are the same attorneys that staff the rent board.

i just found a compelling. i am sorry i did not listen to everybody. we did read the material. i did read the material. >> commissioner moore? >> we do not just listen to people in the neighborhood. you are perfectly able to bring in friends and experts and people whose opinions you trust. the sierra club was speaking tonight. several other people who represent other aspects of community planning, even other neighborhoods came. this is what to of like to encourage you to do. ultimately, it is a larger voice than just the people who live here to rally around issues of common concern. >> director? >> thank you, commissioners. to cover some logistics, there is a hearing scheduled next week on this item.

it was scheduled for your calendar at the end of the day. the initial -- the purpose of next week's hearing had been scheduled for initiation of the project. obviously, you have asked for us to cover the topics today that were not presented today that were the specifics of the housing and transportation. i need to redo the staff needs to know to prepare and we need to get an agenda out tomorrow. i need to know if your preference is to cover those items next week along with initiation or if you want to cover just one of the items. i just need some direction on how you want to proceed on that. >> it is hard for me to speak for the entire commission. some may disagree with me. i would think we should attempt to cover those two items next week. we may have to put off initiation. we can put it on the calendar,

but it may be continued. >> i believe that is a wise direction. i would strongly support you. initiation at this moment with a number of unresolved issues -- i think there will be more questions coming from the commission on particular aspects that i feel have not been touched on. i think that is the perfect lead in into working on the project in more depth. >> as long as it has been scheduled, leave it there with the thought that it may be continued. >> we will be prepared to present the two topics that were on tonight and leave the possibility for initiation on there. >> i am agreeable with that. we have had correspondence in regards to and have had presentations on both of the issues in previous hearings. we need to do it in more depth. they will answer many of the questions raised tonight. we sort of got the comments before we have the presentation. i think that would be very good.

those of you who have concerns should come next week to hear the presentations with regards to these two issues. >> thank you, everybody. [gavel pounds] ♪

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phones and pagers. commission president thomas mazzucco? president mazzucco: present. >> commissioner dejesus? >> en route. >> commissioner carol kingsley? >> present. >> commission president, you have a quorum. president mazzucco: thank you. welcome to the december 12, -- the december 1, 2010 session. we have a light calendar, but we will have several hearings in closed session. we always move to be

transparent, but these officers have rights and these matters are not for public consumption. with that in mind, please call line item number one, public comment. >> item 1, public comment. members of the public may address the police commission for a time determined by the chair, not to exceed three minutes, on items that are within the subject matter of jurisdiction of the commission but do not appear on the agenda. president mazzucco: i would like to note that with the commission tonight is the assistant chief and director from the office of civil complaints. any public comment on matters that pertain to the san francisco police department? good evening, how are you? >> good evening. my pleasure, as always. a couple quick items that came to mind. i speak for a lot of police officers. it right now i am very upset. our chief of police did not show

what it to a former chief's funeral. i don't care the politics or whatever. i was there, i showed up. i did not know the guy, but out of respect for a former chief, i was there. everybody was there, but our chief of police did not show. he did not show up for any of our officers to have committed suicide, sadly. i mean, people, this is about a human thing. the chief has to get his head out of his butt. you want to be the chief of chicago, go ahead, catch the plane. but you are in san francisco, you have to care. chief bass said, clyde, where is your chief? i said, sir, i don't know.

he said tell the commission. i am telling you, he did not even show. he did not even show. he did not show up for three officers suicides. now i am told by the beat cops, friends of mine, he is setting us up. ithe wallet trek. did they caught the wallet, fill out the paperwork out. these cops are not stealing. if they don't fill out the paperwork in today's time, sorry, two days off. that is old. our police officers are not correct. they may not be perfect, but they are not correct. chief, wake up. don't humiliate the rank-and- file. thank you. president mazzucco: any other public comment? seeing them, call item two,

please. a >> item 2, reports2 to the reports. ita is -- item 2a is the chief report. >> good evening. i have some crime statistics. crimes were down 8.3% year-to- date. there were 3200 if you were part one crimes. the breakdown is 4% reduction in violent crime and 9% reduction of other crimes. homicides are 44, and we were at 44 this time last year. if you need any additional further breakdown, i can provide that as well. president mazzucco: any additional questions? commissioner hammer: i am not sure if this is the right time to talk about it, but you had a

discussion about updating the general order and vehicles. we were privy to the documents and the city attorney had been working and we had this conversation for months. i am just wondering, president mazzucco, if we are continuing this to the next meeting to get an update? it seems to go week to week, and it is something that is important for our officers and citizens. president mazzucco: i agree, i had a conversation with our chief earlier today before boarding his flight, and we received information with input from the chief credit we need to calendar this for the next meeting. what we need to do is review this as a commission as a whole next week. we will do that in closed session because of the potential for litigation and pending litigation. we will start in closed

session, and then we will report afterwards about what will be reportable to the public. as i said last time, when need to address this sooner rather than later, and the chief is addressing this sooner rather than later, in the city attorney's office is working on an acceptable draft. but this needs to be on calendar next week for closed session discussion based on the fact there is pending litigation and then we can report on what we can report after the time believed closed session. i see that the city attorney would like to address this. >> commissioner, as i mentioned before, we are still looking at the basis for closed session to make sure we have identified one that is proper grounds for closed session. if we're not able to, i will coordinate with you on other options. president mazzucco: it will be on the calendar next week. commissioner hammer: we will

look at those documents, but have you given thought about whether that is appropriate for closed session? >> it would almost certainly be anticipated, pending litigation. whether there is an appropriate matter to present to the commission that could include this issue. commissioner hammer: there was some press reporting and certain incidents involving these things. the number-one priority is not putting officers at risk. we review these in closed session. officers by and large are acting in good faith and they are at risk. it is not casting aspersions on them. we were thinking about officers can actually get out of the way of a car rather than just shooting at it so we did not have a 3,000 pound missile going down the street running over a kidder something credit in

february, the chief issued a bulletin amending the general order, and it is our responsibility to that amendment. i am happy to start with something soon in an open session and then about the policy. president mazzucco: i agree. commissioners, any further questions for the assistant chief? thank you. >> thank you. >> item 2b, the occ director's report. >> good evening. members of the commission, members of the audience, i will talk briefly about the budget process. the mayor met with department heads today and provided us with budget instructions as well as the budget director, and the key date is on february 21 it is when the department budgets are due. but before then, departments are

expected to provide 2.5% cuts by december 21. the cuts that the departments are being asked to take our 10% and another 10% contingency. as i told the commission before, president mazzucco and members of the commission, the occ, its budget is comprised -- 90% -- president mazzucco: i apologize. we now have a quorum, plus one. you may now continue. >> thank you. it is comprised almost solely of personnel. we have very little discretionary money in our operations budget. 64% is for rent.

what that could mean if we are asked to give the full 10%, it could mean layoffs because there is no money. anywhere else in money. -- because there is no money anywhere else in the budget. other key calendar dates, june 1, the budget is submitted to the board of supervisors. in june, hearings, and in the budget is considered at the board of supervisors. the statistical report will be provided to you on your consent calendar next week for the month of november. president mazzucco: thank you, director. we went through this last year and commission supports increasing your budget, with the realization there are issues with the overall city's budget. but at some point, there has been talks that you have been cut to a level that is not sustainable. if you are cut below that level, and has an adverse effect

on the police department and on the public. it at some point, will you be in that realm where you could discuss that issue? a lot of budgets have some fat, but this has none. >> i think i will be able to have that discussion. i have that discussion every year with my budget analysts on the mayor's budget office. teh occ has not been required to take the full percentage cut in any year. i am hopeful that will be the case this year. the budget shortfall this year is3 is80 -- the budget shortfall this year is $380 million, compared with over 500 million last year. the department is in better shape, but it is still a deficit. it president mazzucco: you have the support of this commission for whatever we could do with the budget process.

>> thank you very much. president mazzucco: any questions for the director? >> item 2c, the commission reports. president mazzucco: thank you. i want to thank the san francisco police department for the excellent job they did at the funeral two weeks ago. they did a great job to serve a man who served the city. the police department responded with an incredible service for the chief. i like to thank the officers involved in that. any other reports, commissioners? now we are asking for public comment on items 2a, b, or c. good evening again, clyde. am i like to address a serious issue. officer moving vehicle shootings. thomas, you were up front.

we're going to address this quick. this is a tough call. i am glad to see the commission is ahead of the power curve on this. on december 8, you people make the call, thank you. president mazzucco: thank you, clyde. any further comments? seeing none, item three, please? >> item 3, routine administrative business3. ita is commission announcements. president mazzucco: and the commission announcements? >> december 15 meeting will be the medal of valor ceremony at 5:00 p.m. at the ucsf auditorium. that starts at 5:00 p.m. president mazzucco: of it like the public to in physics at. -- i would like the public to visit that. it as the police commission we deal with all sorts of issues. i invite the public to attend on

the 15th because you'll be able to witness the heroic effort of our men and women in the police department who have risked their lives to protect citizens. it is quite an event for the officers and their families and it is something to be very proud of. i invite the public if they have time to be present at the new ucsf campus to witness the ceremony. commissioners? i am b, please? >> 3b, scheduling of items identified for consideration at future commission meetings. president mazzucco: as we discussed, the issue regarding the general order regarding the discharge of firearms at vehicles. we will look at that next week. it briefly, i think commissioner kingsley as a case she would like to add to the agenda for next week. any other items? commissioner dejesus: december

8, we will have progress reports from the police department. president mazzucco: i thought we were going to have one more meeting regarding where we were out before the progress report? commissioner dejesus: i thought he was going to tell us where he was in terms of -- he was going to tell us where they were with the revisions. because there is nothing to work with now. president mazzucco: will there be presentations? commissioner dejesus: they will tell us. president mazzucco: that sounds reasonable. anything else, commissioners? commissioners hammer: i will not be able to attend the meeting next week. other than disciplinary matters,

which are closed session, and potentially this regarding shooting at moving vehicles, do we know of other matters that will be on the agenda next week? president mazzucco: there is no hot button issue. commissioner hammer: and after that there is the medal of valor ceremony and then after that we're probably offer the holidays. just trying to get a handle of the next few weeks. president mazzucco: the key to the commissioners for their of the lady and the coming weeks. -- thank you for the commissioners for their availability in the coming weeks. any other commissioners,? seeing none, called the next item. >> item 5, -- item 4, public comment on all matters pertaining to closed session. president mazzucco: any public comment? seeing none, call item five. >> a vote on whether to hold closed session.

president mazzucco: do i have a motion. >> motion. president mazzucco: >> we are back on the air. >> calling item 7? >> we are voting to disclose the items in closed session? president mazzucco: all in favor? line item 8? >> line item 8 is the action item to adjourn. president mazzucco: so moved. >> second. president mazzucco: thank you, everybody.