the trainee. -- are used to de-escalate the situation. president mazzucco: thank you. commissioner slaughter: you went through four sets of trenni? is that correct? >> that is correct. -- four sets of training. you are looking at 100 officers per year. commissioner slaughter: and last year, you were able to get through three of the sessions, so there was a lot of discussion. unfortunately, you were not able to do the fourth of the four sessions last year. >> yes, and i think partly, what you are doing is you are running up against the fiscal year, the calendar year, and the direction

we were going in is let's find a way we can accelerate this and present the import material to a greater number of officers, and that is what the inspector has refocused on, to make sure the quality is there, the elements are covered, and we are getting more of our officers into that. commissioner slaughter: so if i am doing the math right, you will be doing more than previously? >> that is correct. commissioner slaughter: thank you. do you know how we compare to other departments around the state and around the country in terms of the percentage of officers, sworn officers, and officers actually on the beat who have been able to get through 20 or 40 hours of mental health training? >> i do not have that figure, but i can say is that there is a reason why we are the model. many agencies present trenni to their officers, very critical,

but as i mentioned, in san francisco, we have very high contact with the community, and we have a desire to serve that community and serve it well, so we invest a lot of time in these trainings. other agencies do not have as much flexibility in their training, but they are not able to do as much as we are. in one area, i know we had outside agencies come throat. -- come through. commissioner slaughter: the last thing, i just want to follow up on what commissioner chan said, those in the community that have been instrumental in the training, making sure they are involved and know what we are doing and know what the plan is when we roll out. i wish you good luck and appreciate the devotion from the

commissioners you are going to be meeting next week and look forward to more substantial time that we will spend on it at future meetings , so the hd. >> thank you. note -- president mazzucco: thank you. commissioner dejesus? commissioner dejesus: last year, it was roughly half of the department that had the training. it is still only half of the department that has had the training, and that is very disconcerting. one of the things that we talked about since the audit came out, the department was certainly concerned about training the rest of the officers, getting the training as soon as possible, and i of concern about whether or not the department is really training the officers

beat -- and i have concern about whether or not the department is really training the officers. if you have almost 2000 people in the department, and there is no focus in getting that training, and that is alarming to me. even if you do three times as many officers, that is a drop in the bucket considering the number of officers out there without the training, without knowing how to use the weapon, because that is what they do in the mental health community. they do not shoot to their people. they do not taser their people. they'd have ways to talk them down and to the escalate -- de- escalate. we are told they were going to look into that. it is one year later. we have 120 people trained. that is lips service. what concerns me most is that everybody is saying we need

tasers to deal with the mental health unit but we can actually get training to our officers that can assist them in dealing with difficult issues on the street. i do not think that because you are mentally ill that you should be taste -- tased. i just do not. is there really a commitment to train our officers, or not? and if they do not, just tell us that. tell us that you would rather tase people. 120 officers with 2000 on the force is not acceptable. [applause] >> , you know, commissioner, i understand. i respect your passion on this issue. i can say this. this has been the focus in the trenni decision -- division to find a way to accelerate this

training. we have spent 10 years presenting this trading at one rate, and we needed to find a way to accelerate that, that we could ensure that all of the important elements were in there and that we could do it responsibly and do it regularly at a more accelerated pace, and it takes time to do that. it takes time to develop that, and a lot of work was put into that, and we are very proud. we need our officers to have this training, to get that. it takes time and effort to put these things in order. commissioner dejesus: the was in charge of this last year? i know it was not you, because you are new. who was in charge? and do we have in the budget the money to do it additional classes to get the entire force trained? -- to do additional classes? >> we have budgeted this out.

commissioner dejesus: 4300? >> we know what it will cost to do this class. -- for the 300? the majority of the cost for presenting this class is money's needed -- moneys needed to bring in the first line, and experian to information are officers need. korea -- forest lawn, experiential -- first line, experiential information our officers need. i was not involved in the decisionmaking process in 2000, but that is why we looked at an outside location to provide the training. that was probably one of the

reasons. you just spent three years doing this at a very high rate while continuing freshman trading -- training and technology training. so you had a tremendous number of different trainings that were going on at your facility. and now, you have an opportunity to use that facility for this training. and that is going to, you know, involve a number of days in the building and schedule and officers away from the street and rotating but -- that, all while you have a reduced number of officers on the street. so you have to be able to schedule officers to go away from their primary duty operations. you need to do it at a measured pace that the stations and investigation bureaus can handle, and so that is part of this consideration, 2:00 p.m.,

to room do you have at your facility? how many officers can you poll from all of the areas at one time -- can you pull? i totally respect your passion on this issue. they have what we for our officers, but training is a balance, and we have to find ways to move in and get it going on a regular basis that is much faster, and this is three times the rate that we have done over 10 years. commissioner slaughter: i am not really good at math, but if you say that, that is $96 thousand if you are training once a month for these officers. first, it is $1.20 million to buy the tasers, and you would have to train that. you just cannot handle a taser

and send them on the street. -- handed them a taser. are we going to get educated and trained officers to deal with the mental health issue on the streets, where are we just want to buy new weapons to use against the mental health? the same amount of time for training. i guess what we should do is concentrate on the budget that comes up and make sure the we have $200,000 in the training for mental health, you know? -- that we have $200,000? i hear what you are saying, but it really comes to wear your priority is, and it doesn't really sound like you have had the priority -- it really comes to knowing where your priority is. who leads this department and where the priorities lie is really going to answer this question. president mazzucco: before we continue, i just want to caution the commission. obviously, this is not an agenda item, so it is not on for full

conversation, which it has turned into, but i want to make sure that with my conversation with a couple of commissioners, we need to separate the taser issue from the mental health issue, and we are going to do that. and i disagreed with you on that issue, commissioner dejesus. tasers r. hopefully not going to be used on mentally ill patients but used on dangerous individuals who have only a desire to attack and injure our officers and other people in the public. they will be used on individuals who unfortunately are under the influence of narcotics, and as we learned last time, those are the people that this does not work on. the traditional beanbag and pepper spray, they do not work. this is not for the sole purpose of tasering the mentally ill. that is preposterous, and that is not consistent with this.

i want to separate those issues. i think professionally we should, but i just want to make that clear. commissioner dejesus: commissioner mazzucco, you do not speak for this body. this body will determine if we separate them. i feel strongly about that, and we have to follow the procedure, and not one commissioner can speak for the entire body, and i am sorry. i read the articles, and every time tasers come up, there is propaganda that is used in the press over and over, and it is disingenuous to say that it is a separate issue. that is the way they are trying to sell it to everybody, and i think that is really improper and inappropriate, and, you know what? we need to be transparent and put it on the table. [applause] president mazzucco: i am well aware of that, and quite

frankly, i, like all of the other commissioners, have just one vote and what to look at this intelligently for the benefit of the community and our officers, so with that in mind, i will turn it over to dr. marshall. >> the conversations that you are going to have, you and commissioner hammer and commissioner chan, can you give me an update on what you are trying to do? >> the department made a trip to memphis, which is a national leader in mental health protocol training. it is actually a whole system, not just a trainee. i believe they have a lot to share -- not just training. they will talk about what are

the other elements, because it is more than about training. training is a very important piece, but there is a whole system that needs to be in place. there will be a big discussion, but it is not the whole discussion. we will put up some proposals about what we think we should put in place in the near future. >> so if i am to hear you, this committee is going to try to improve upon for their best practices? is that correct? supervisor alioto-pier: -- president mazzucco: commissioner slaughter? commissioner slaughter: you said only 120 officers had been trained, and that is contrary to what the chief has said, already accelerating this pace as faced

as we can. of course, we know that we have 2300 or so sworn officers. when you look at that 900, close to 100 officers, you have significantly more actually on the street that have received this training, and to suggest that only 120 have received that is not correct. commissioner dejesus: not in total, last year. commissioner slaughter: commissioner dejesus, a respected your time. i would second what commissioner mazzucco said. i think it is critical that this working group help inform the best practices, and tasers are a

separate issue. we had this discussion last week. i agree with commissioner mazzucco, in terms of how they are going to be dealt with by this commission, i believe they ought to be dealt with separately and to consider their in packs, one on the other. i hope that we treat it as such. president mazzucco: thank you. commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: i know the best practice is the 40 hours, and you are taking that, but that is still a heavy trading schedules, and i can appreciate your scheduling demands and costs, and have they

take anything, or is there anything that has been condensed, but not for a replacement, but something that deals with major problems and how they can be handled so that there is maybe a two to four trading that could be perhaps mostly on tape -- a two to four- hour training. that could reach all of the rest of the officers in a relatively short period of time, and then continue to have been scheduled in the 24 hour trainings, but some way to get the very core basics to everybody quickly?

i am just dry that up quickly if that has been considered. >> there is the roll call training program, and the video production unit. we certainly could look at the roll call training program. this is done in a format about what you think is the proper response. a lot of times, we give a scenario to officers. they say, "here is a scenario. what is the proper response?" and then they go back to discussing the scenario, so that is one that method we use to communicate regularly with our officers. the video production unit can also look at streamlining some of this information and producing a video that could be made available to officers for part of their roll call training and shift training. we do not generally do two to four hour blocks.

maybe bringing in the essential elements. i can talk to the inspector about that. >> that was a good suggestion. i appreciate it. commissioner kingsley: thank you. commissioner slaughter: the idea that this is a working group to present for items in the public with public input, because this is the public's business, so i just want to be absolutely clear about that. >> and i would assume this is about mental health. commissioner slaughter: and that is true. the chief is going himself. i want to say this. the conflict and violence and weapons and mental illness. -- conflated violence and weapons. mental illness is an illness.

they are not themselves. they are suffering. i think we all share the same values, but the point is to at all costs avoid violence. to teach our officers that they are to help people, so to give them the very best tools so it never comes to violence. if tasers ever come to become it is not a way to deal with mentally ill people. it is something short of killing a person. that is the only reason. that is the only argument of mine for them. it is one final thing to do before pulling a weapon. shooting folks. i do not want that to be the case. those are confidential personnel matters. but the way to deal with mental illness is with compassion as an illness, not with the violence. i hope we all agree on that. [applause] president mazzucco: we have a

lot to deal with tonight. >> i understand commissioner dejesus' comments to get the officers through the training, and i agree with commissioner chan that we are putting all of our eggs in this 40-hour training, and that would take care of the problem, and that is not the case. i think there has to be more to the equation. mental health professionals and bringing others on board. that 40-hour training is not going to stop all of the shootings. i do not want to give the public is false perception that a 40- hour class is going to take care of the problem. that is not the case, so we really have to concentrate on what we can do to help us with that problem. president mazzucco: commissioner dejesus > -- ? commissioner dejesus: this

trading is the least that we can do for officers, but i agree. president mazzucco: thank you, chief. secretary falvey: we move on to the next one. >> good evening, chief, director hicks, i work for the internal affairs division. tonight, i'm here to duty of your presentations. -- to do the presentations. there was a meeting convened on december 21, 2010.

several members of the command staff as well as commissioner chan and commissioner dejesus and direct hicks attended. there were four officer-involved shootings. we will start with the officer- involved to discharge. that occurred on august 9, 2010. that was found to be not in policy. there is a quick synopsis of the event. i will go over but. the officer, while manipulating his firearm, and intensely discharged his spiral. there were no injuries. it was not in policy.

the first of the four shootings that were involved, the first one was 09-004. this event occurred on september 5, 2009. after reviewing this case, it was found to be in policy. the situation or the incident of the officers dispatched to that street regarding a person. an officer in tarter communicated with the suspect. -- an officer communicator was there. the second officer-involved shooting, 10-001, january 23,

2010. this was found to be in policy. at this event, -- this event, the offices were dispatched -- the officers were dispatched about a possible mental health evaluation. the officers were met at the door by a person with a machete, and the officer discharged a fine european mujica can discharged a firearm. it was also found to be in policy -- and the opposite discharged a firearm. another was found to be in policy. the short synopsis of the event, there were officers trying to make contact, and the vehicle

attempted to flee the officers, driving at the officer, i should say. the officer's life was in danger, and he discharged his handgun. the last occurred july 3, 2010, at broadway street. it was found to be and policy. the short synopsis of the event, the suspect fired a weapon into a crowd of people. >> do you have the status report? >> yes. the second report is the officer

involved shooting as of today, january 18, 2011 -- january 19, 2011. there was the third quarter status report. we had completed four officer- involved shootings, and there have also been five new cases that occurred, five new incidents which occurred, between october and now, so that gives us a tote of 12, a belief -- i believe, and these are open cases as of october 8. those four cases, and we still have six outstanding. five new cases. that gives us 12.

12 open officer-involved shooting cases and one note open officer-involved discharge. -- and one open officer-involved discharge. and we anticipate that the meeting will convene in march, 2011. we are looking at march 15, 2011. we have not set the date yet, but we are looking at four to five cases at that meeting. >> i am certainly interested in that. president mazzucco: are there any questions?

commissioner slaughter? commissioner slaughter: a couple of questions. the brief synopsis is very useful for us to see. i notice that these are following up on our prior conversations about mental health issues. sometimes, it is clear that there is a suspect -- it may be mental health issues. i would just encourage you for future reference is as we go forward to hearing these reports to make sure that we are informed that the synopsis are clear that these incidents include mental health problems, because i think that will be critical information for the commission to consider, so if you can keep an eye out on that, i would appreciate it. and then, just two comments.