as the inspector said for the loitering? >> the motion is to not include any of these police conditions. that is the motion and there is a second. so, discussion on the motion. so be it. is there a discussion on the motion and a second. >> i believe the intent as far as a couple of nights a month is to see how it goes and see if there are any complaints. any time in the past, i am not familiar with your condition. there is always these permit

hearings. there is usually a reason why those conditions were placed there to see how it went. this was very well in the conditions and they can be changed as time moves on. the permit could be amended with the conditions. maybe a six-month trial. maybe that was just to protect the community. i would suggest that we add the following condition of not allowing entertainment later than 7:30 p.m. in the week and on the weekend, allowing dj music friday and saturday nights until closing time.

>> the applicant has already agreed to stop it at midnight given the residential hotel surrounding it. for an interim time, that would be the way to go. >> a deejay on the weekend no later than midnight. >> right. >> non amplified instruments means that you cannot have an electrified qatar. even if he did, you would want to put in mike on an acoustic and he would want -- and that would be not acoustic. your friendly amendment is 7:30

midweek and midnight on the weekends, is that we said? >> again, i don't plan on having them all of the time. i don't want it more than once every two weeks. i want people to know my place as a jazz place. if you want to have a deejay, you have to come for a one time permit. >> may be more leniency on the weekends. >> do we have any comment? >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye.

>> 7d, keith wilson doing business as taupe. >> the applicant applied for a place of entertainment permit. the applicant plans to provide entertainment similar to the previous operator. they owned another establishment on -- and they don't have any intent permits.

the applicant has an understanding that the use of teaching is not allowed under the planning department and their current conditions. only non amplified music is allowed. they will be applying to the planning commission. as we have done in the past, these will move forward into new permit because this was stay with the location and they are very old but they need proper the changes of conditions. with that understanding, we are recommending the grant. >> what is the name of your

other place? >> this is called a board room. >> do you understand what non amplified means? >> it means through now type of application. >> the only thing that can be amplified in your place is the fire alarm. that means no microphones, no dj, no anything. the only thing you can use for music other than acoustic, that means that sinners cannot use microphones. they have to be acoustic guitars. everything. you can use like an ipod and an ipod player or a cd player or something that you cannot identify and i just want to make sure you understand that. >> ok.

>> are there any other questions? >> seeing none, public comment. seeing none, do we have a motion? >> i would like to move to approve acknowledging the planning commission's conditions carry over and simply applying our good neighbor policy conditions. >> thank you, do we have a second? >> second. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye/. >> good luck. >> item 7 e, tod alsman, dba,

the wreck room/ >> we would like to have a pool table. in this party had three pool tables when we bought it. -- this already had three pool tables when we bought it. this is across the street from a hideout. it used to be a bridge its place. >> you have a couple of videogames. we will mention them. >> we have a shuffleboard and

also like basketball and probably video games. >> this is relatively simple request for two separate permits and they have been paid for. one pool table and a couple of video games. you have indicated that this is a condition -- continuation of existing use. all of these indicated approval with one condition about the gambling. no gambling is permitted. staff is waiting for an electrical inspection. >> i just need paperwork and you are good to go.

>> are there any questions from the commission? any public comment? >> can i have the same house, same call? >> yes. >> item number8, commissioner's comments and questions. no comments or questions? public comments on no comments or questions? item number nine, new business request for future agenda items. any public comment? that will conclude the tuesday, january 11th, meeting of the san

francisco city and county entertainment commission. thank you.

>> i would like to call the meeting to order. second item please. >> [roll call] 0 commissioners are present. -- all commissioners are present. president vietor: i would like to welcome commissioner courtney. pleased to have you. next item. >> the approval of the minutes

of the december 10 special joint meeting. are there any additions or corrections? president vietor: a motion? >> so moved. >> second. president vietor: questions, comments, amendments? all those in favor? motion carries. >> general public comment. members of the public may address the commission on items that are not on today's agenda. we have no speaker cards, but i see a speaker. >> i just wanted to say hello to the commissioners, it is great to have a full commission. we are excited about commissioner courtney. we think it will be a big year. we are excited about all of the

commissioners, it will be an exciting year. and the caliber and expertise that is on this commission, a lot of people in the disadvantaged communities are working together to help accomplish the commission's mission. president vietor: thank you for those comments. any other public comment? next item. >> the commissioners have received copies of all the communications listed in the letter summary. additionally, you will have a revised letter summary with three additional communications that were received after it was posted. the commissioners have received all of the print copies and electronic copies hundred staff report-- under staff report.

president vietor: questions or comments? >> i have a comment on the calendar. commissioner caen: i can't find it, but i think we have lost our statement. we have all of this excess real- estate we have not moved on. i would like to bring that forward. >> we are expecting that that will come up on the february a calendar -- 8 calendar. we will keep that to one month from now. as a reminder, this is a month that we are asking for a lot of time and attention. the budget hearings will be on

the fourth floor, not in this building. both meetings start at 9:30 in the morning. on the twenty fifth, we have a regular meeting for the commission scheduled and we do not think we need that meeting. if you want to discuss that here and now, we can cancel it if you like. on the twenty seventh, we have the capital discussion. the planning commission should be hearing the environmental review that day. we were hoping that to happen in the planning commission and then have it come to us. we have reserved a room in this building in the morning, but we are not expecting it to happen. we have meetings scheduled at 9:30 on february 3 and the

regular meeting on february 8. those meetings are to finalize discussions in the budget and adopt it. you can decide whether you want to cancel the meeting in february 3 or have it that day. we are asked a lot of questions, and that is why we have scheduled that meeting in case you want to have a more involved in discussion of some of the questions. we can see how far we have gotten and get to february 3 or just go to february 8. we have to fit in the mayor's schedule for delivering a budget in the middle part of february. the meeting at the end is a good time for it. we will be asking for discussion

given your direction for what you want us to come back with or answer questions if you want us to answer. the first question is on the 25, we don't believe that you have to have a meeting that day unless you believe you need an extra meeting for budget discussions or other items. it doesn't seem to cause any difficulty in terms of timing. president vietor: because we would move a couple of items from the 25 to the 27, starting that meeting a little bit earlier? >> we can do that. one item cannot be voted on until the planning commission gets to it. it might be at least the middle of the afternoon. president vietor: can we get everything done starting at 1:00? gosh i think so.

president vietor: and we can move on to the proceedings? >> it has not caused any issues. other things are simple updates. it is really the capital discussion. we have a very flat budget and we are not proposing to do a lot of different things. some of those discussions might be less involved. you might want to rearrange what it is we are left doing. president vietor: commissioners? commissioner torres: i was in sacramento yesterday for the swearing in of commissioner courtney, and i had a chance to speak with the secretary and i

wanted to extend to him an opportunity, whenever it is appropriate, i think we will have a different perspective and a different vision for california. his confirmation will be delayed a little bit because the supreme court nomination is going to be forthcoming. at the end of the day, i think we will have a very good relationship with the secretary. >> we have sent him our first letter. commissioner torres: i saw that. president vietor: other items? >> on the 25th. >> if we can eliminate the meeting, i am all for it. president vietor: objections? >> we will wipe off the 25th meeting. on march 22nd, the items of

interest are the wholesale rate in the environmental enhancement surcharge. i believe we can postpone those to the following meeting without any problems. but i wanted to make sure that we were not going to bump into somebody else's schedule. instead of having those items on march 22, we will have them on april a -- april 12. if that is not a problem, we will move that also. president vietor: that will not get us into any issues with compliance of the water agreement? >> we can push them back until later as far as i have been told. president vietor: sounds fine. any other items on the calendar?

any questions on the staff report? any other public comment on this item? next item please. >> if any commissioner has any new business item they wish to propose at this time. commissioner caen: i see we have -- >> other places are talking about a more. -- it more. yes. commissioner caen: i was wondering where we are standing on this. >> we do not have plans to make any change in flouride in the water. we have not received concerns are complaints. there is an issue about lowering the level. >> i think what you're referring

to is the announcement the other day by the u.s. epa to seize control about moving forward with the recommendation to lower the target level. we have a target level of slightly less [unintelligible] they were recommending moving it down to something like .7 parts per million. there is no regulatory process that would drive that, but we are looking at this information. we will consider the pros and cons of doing it. it will be a very minor change. >> there is a range of .7 to 1.2. >> that is the current range. they are pushing the lower end of that hai believe.

commissioner caen: thank you for the information. president vietor: what did you see the current amount is? >> the target is not exact, but slightly less than 1 part per million. president vietor: thank you. commissioner caen: you will not believe me when i bring this up. but when we run off on our pursuit of bottled water, i recalled that was something that we could not do certain things. i thought it might be an interesting opportunity to go back and look at this with america's cup coming here. i thought it would be a good way

of promoting san francisco as well as our water. >> as long as they are compostable. it doesn't affect the ethanol debate. president vietor: any other items? next item. >> the report of the general manager. >> i wanted to mention that we have been doing operational statistics for the last couple of months. there is the general knowledge about how the business is running and we sent a copy of that to you. we will be putting it up on the main web site. i wanted to do a quick review publicly of the graphs that we are putting out on a weekly

basis. it is in the communications portion of the binder. this is not intended to be easy to read. it can be better than that, maybe. the first of these items is precipitation. this year is so far the wettest year on record since 1919 for our system. if you can see the line that is only partially there, what that means is that the water in 2011, it is now head of any year to date. if we keep going at that rate, it will be over 200% of normal. we have already received 42 inches of rain this year.