>> which could start interviews after that. >> the police officers association, been a central meeting place -- they could make the room available for us. mr. johnson? >> is it possible at some point during the process at a non- quorum meeting that you could make the poa available for a meeting spot so we could meet the officers? >> that would not be a problem. president mazzucco: it sounds as we have a plan. we will move forward with that

in mind. >> we can tell the public our commitment is to conduct these listening sessions before we begin interviews, correct? president mazzucco: i think we can start accepting applications and review the applications. >> i meant the interviews, though. president mazzucco: the actual interviews themselves should be done as we finish our last community meeting, but we can start betting the applications -- vetting the applications. >> for my part, i would like to ensure the community we want to listen in how we ask questions of these candidates. we will learn things as we listen. president mazzucco: for future reference, starting with next week, african put on as a personnel matter in closed session -- if we can put on as a personnel matter in closed session for each week the chief selection process, if we have time we could reduce some

applications those evenings so we have that continuing in our agendas. thank you, everybody. commissioner hammer: i think we can use the police department website to publish the locations. the public can know they can go to the police department website for the locations of these forums. secretary reilly: we can do that. it is not a problem. >> to add a little bit of information, we went with posting on police executive research web site, california chief of police association, major cities chiefs, and international association of chiefs of police. it is up there. we also did an initial blast to internal people who may be interested.

>> is there any public comment on line items two a, b, or c? >> good evening, commissioners. on behalf of service employees international union, i am representing police department employees. this discussion has been a perfect segue to what i wanted to discuss this evening. that is the characteristic we believe you should be looking at in the chief of police. i am sure your conversation for information on the memphis model is important to support and the community. we believe he should be looking for a chief who is community- based. we also think one needs to

believe in alternatives to incarceration, who is understanding in the issues of those of color, and who will treat the miscellaneous civilian employees with equal respect and value as the sworn employees of the department, which leads me to my next point. you talked about having a meeting with the poa. that is important because the chief is going to do with the officers. but another segment of employees that you missed was our civilian employees. i understand that your calendars are full, but we should find a date and time. we have plenty of meeting rooms to have a meeting. i can get the leaders of our civilian employees to come down and be able to express to you their concerns. not necessarily concerns, but what they believe would be important in a chief who is going to lead them.

president mazzucco: thank you. we definitely will. >> who would by the coordinating with? the lieutenant over here. >> i have your card. >> that is my last comment. thank you very much. president mazzucco: thank you very much. we really appreciate it. thanks. >> good evening, commissioners. my name is alice and a ball. i was born and raised in visitation valley. -- my name is alex sandoval. the other day, you're talking about police chiefs. i have dealt with a lot of officers in san francisco all my life, and people kept saying,

"who do you think7ñ i would like for you to think about a man who has proven himself time and time again. he has worked with the community. he knows have to listen. that is important. he is strong. he came here with integrity, respect, strength. he has the same qualities. we are very fortunate to have him. i think he is going to do a good job. i also want to invite the commissioners to the bay view police station. i think it is important if you guys want to come out and talk. i look forward to seeing you there. a lot of deaths have happened there for way too long. i know you guys cannot stop them. i think there are tools in the neighborhood that could be implemented. gregg actually came down to the church of visitation on

sunnyvale. he did his time to come down and talk to the community when some of them were nervous and frustrated and did not know what to do about the people getting killed and mud. that was really big. that is the kind of person we need as police chief, somebody who is going to get down and deal with the communities of all san francisco. these are hard issues. people are getting killed needlessly because of a lack of education, lack of jobs, but of hope. these are things that i think the police commission can understand. people are begging for somebody to be able to address those issues. greg ser is a great guy. just taken in consideration. i look forward to seeing you in district 10. have a good day. president mazzucco: further public comment?

>> commissioners, good evening. my name is rio lawrence. i have been a member of the community for 42 years. based on my experience of watching the city pick a police chief, you would be better off picking a man from the ranks of the troops respect than from another city and county. the reason why i say that is that i think the disaster with george gascone is going to continue, where you bring in a police chief that carries on as if he is some sort of loyalty, that has no intention of being a police chief or becoming an attorney. he leaves chaos when he leaves. i was here when i voted down with everybody in this room on

the tazers. he wanted to build a payroll. i do not think you have to consult the poa. that already 0 san francisco $500,000 from the president not paying the city that hasa9 been collected yet. a respected organization. it is for the benefit of the people at large. it is for the benefit of their own paychecks. but does not help the city of san francisco. payroll has exploded since 2001. in his compound itself by 10% a year. cannot go on. if you look at surrounding counties like san mateo, they had to lay off police. that is coming here.

whether you like it or not, the city is bankrupt. it is only three to five years away from bankruptcy. part of the bankruptcy is pension, liabilities, and salaries of the sfpd. i think you ought to look at the new chief in that light. gascogne was paid $2 million in arizona, and was paid $3.25 million to come here. you would be better off calling somebody from the ranks that those police officers respect, not somebody from out of state, 49 states away, that some executive search firm from new york city pushed on your plate. you are citizens of this country as well. most of you live here in the city and county of san francisco. do your job to the best

accounting. thank you for your time. president mazzucco: further public comment? >> i would just like to echo greg sur. i've never spoken to that man in my life. but he said gret sur. you get a salute. everyone i have talked to in the tenderloin, bayview, think he could be the best sheep we ever had. from what i have heard, even from very good friends -- i worked on a campaign. she told me everything. she said he is a great officer. thank you. president mazzucco: thank you. further comment?

>> my name is barbara gross. i am a concerned citizen of this fine city. i do not see how anybody can run for chief of police who was responsible for breaking up the transit bureau. the transit bureau is always the per se group on the scene for every calamity or write it taking place in the city. the always were there for everybody. -- they always were there for everybody. when they wanted the tazers, it was about putting police officers lives on . they will not have the chance. they sometimes don't work for some silly reason, since we are not supposed to have antennas around the city for silly health reasons. the equipment in the city has to be super top notch for communications for everybody's protection. thank you. president mazzucco: hearing no other public comment, please

call line item 3. >> routine administrative business. commissioner announcements? >> scheduling of items considered for future commission meetings. we sort of have that with line item 5. public comment regarding this? hearing none, colorado line item # five. -- called line item 5 -- call line item five. >> commissioners kingsley and chan put together our priorities from the retreat. commissioner kingsley: the retreat follow-up committee, which is composed of me, commissioners water, and commissioner marshall --

commissioner slaughter, and commissioner marshall concurred. commissioner slaughter regreted not being here for this conversation, but give us some input on that. should i just began on this, or would you like to? vice president marshall: began on it. commissioner kingsley: there were three parts of our discussion. one is to follow up on a couple of motions regarding the adoption of the objectives and the criteria for setting priorities. the other motion would be to add these objectives and criteria to our website. we discussed this a little bit a couple of weeks ago, when this was on our agenda. the second part of our discussion this evening would be to look closely at the three-

tiered listing of our priorities and see if there are other matters we would like to add. several items have come up since we put this list together. we could see if there are any items we want to take off the list. the third part of our discussion will become a going forward, what we want to do to build into our scheduling and calendar to make sure we address our priorities as we planned throughout the next 12 months. to this discussion, we would like to encourage the public and the chief, as well as director hicks, to join in this conversation. these are the priorities on the department's side and occ side. of course, the public is the most important step colder in

what the police commission addresses -- important stakeholder in what the police commission addresses. i will move to adopt the objections and criteria for setting priorities as stated in the attached. is there a second? all in favor? is there public comment, or comment from the director or the chief before we vote? president mazzucco: we will go to each item, then do public comment and have a vote. commissioner kingsley: the second would be a motion to add the objectives and criteria for setting priorities to the commission website. commissioner hammer: second. commissioner kingsley: i think that at this point it would be best if we took other comments and input. what we are really doing next is

moving into prioritizing matters. commissioner chan: thank you for putting this together. you all worked so hard on this. i do not have a lot of changes. i think because we met as a full commission and discussed this all day, there is not a ton for me to say. i would caution against adding or changing our priorities. if we were to change this, we should have all of our commissioners here. we are missing several commissioners. i understand confirming with objective criteria, but i would be opposed to changing our priorities. president mazzucco: we have to make one party which is the election of a police chief. but i agree we should probably

not change priorities until we have a full complement of commissioners. vice president marshall: at the time we had the retreat, these were our priorities. the yin and yang of this is we want to get some sort of structure in order to do some planning. the other piece is things come up we have thought about. i think we will be able to work with them again. i do not think passing the motions we have looked so far in any way will preclude us from things that we deem necessary that, since this was composed. >> further comments from the commissioners? commissioner slaughter>> if i to

talk about redoing our priorities, we spent a whole they doing this. >> any public comment regarding these matters? >> good evening again. i assume the document you are talking about is this one here. my question is -- is this a combination of all the representatives of the commission that put this together? did the son of somewhere that this was produced by the commission itself? or is it just a piece of paper in a folder that no one pays attention to? what happens here? commissioner kingsley: the commission met back in october 2010 at a retreat. during the retreat, we reviewed the mission of the police commission and established

these to a great deal of discussion and brainstorming. we agreed to setting priorities after a great deal of discussion. we also generative the prioritization of -- generated the prioritization of matters you are holding. we have many items were addressed during the retreat. tonight we are revisiting this to formally adopted, allow public comment, and, of others before adopting it, as well as to propose that we included on our website. -- include it on our website. it was a collective effort by all seven members of the police commission. >> does it have an effective date, so we know it is an official document for using it? is that going to take place?

what is going to happen? commissioner kingsley: correct me if this is wrong but -- president mazzucco: we are not allowed to respond to questions during this period commissioner kingsley is being kind to respond. we are going to vote on this this evening. we will vote again when we have a full complement of commissioners. there is an ever-changin -- doc. but we are not allowed to answer questions. that will have to cease and desist. >> if this has" signers, are directly going to use it -- if this has cosigners, are you actually going to use it? that is my only point with this document. secondly, i would like to address the fact that the commissioner brought up the public at large. i think the police commission

gets a low turnout of the public at large because of the way the website is set up, and the lack of notification for your various meetings. you have more meetings than the essence of the mta, but you have almost no one showing up. on the website, is difficult to find out. there should be a better or more effective way to announce the monthly meetings for the police commission so we do get some sort of a turnout from the population at large, instead of what we have now. i will say this. you hear me speak here and turn off the microphone when i am done. but when i am up in the public, people come to me and shake my hand and say, "you are the only one asking questions. it is always you." i don't like that. there are other people who think

just like me. i think they ought to address this commission as well. are you promoting the commission or the meetings with a better agenda or a more effective means? that could go a long way in 2011. thank you for your time. president mazzucco: is there any public comment on these issues? commissioner hammer, before we vote. commissioner hammer: i do think we should vote on the motions commissioner kingsley made and not directly respond to public comment. but i do think this is important, because we are held accountable. úy/that is what it is a good ida to put it on the website. on that note, one of our top priorities -- although we have a busy february, this was months ago.

we had informal work group discussions about meetings. i would suggest that commissioners perhaps the 16 -- perhaps for every 16 could have a brief agenda item and have a follow-up after that. president mazzucco: i agree. commissioner hammer: i think february 16 would give sufficient notice. these of the things that have to be addressed, based on the report. we could have a follow-up. we should get the word out. vice president marshall: let us clarify this a little further. let us add a summary of priorities. our top priority, which is not

listed here -- we have already scheduled one meeting a month devoted to disciplinary hearings. i do not want anyone thinking that just because it is not on the list it is not a priority. in that sense, that is the first thing. these are also agenda items as they come up. but this is our number one. commissioner kingsley: actually, my comment can come after we complete our vote on these two motions. >> you make a very good point that it is a top priority. to schedule here and decide the maximum efficiency. it made it into the home number

one objective. president mazzucco: there was a first and a second for setting priorities. all in favor? it's unanimous. you wanted to make a comment? commissioner kingsley: after both of the motions. very importantly, and without adding or subtracting from the list of priorities, can we discuss briefly tonight, how we are going to proceed in terms of taking these priorities and getting them into our schedule over the next three, six, 12 months? one proposal that the committee

discussed and would like to offer to the rest of the commission is that we 3 look at the matters and individually check-in with people that are on the commission. and tried to put together a calendaring for these items based on the next six or 12 months. not that they have to be in stone, but we have them there so they are not overlooked. of course, it would be coordinated with you, mr. president. president mazzucco: any

discussion? >> i have no objection. i think it is important that we do this as a group. and perhaps we calendar at the end of february. for the next seven weeks, i will have to quit my day job. we will talk about what we will do. that is my suggestion. >> there is no objection to that. we can postpone that conversation if we would like. president mazzucco: item number six, please. >> public comment on all matters pertaining to close the session.

including public comment on whether to go into closed session. president mazzucco: these are police officer personnel matters that are confidential and protected by the california supreme court. that is why we go into closed session. any public comment? call line item #7. >> the vote on whether to hold a closed session. president mazzucco: all in favor? we are now moving to closed president