violence reduction program, which has been very successful. the ones that have occurred on the street have been primarily related to disputes between people. the have occurred around the clock and the have occurred in vastly different parts of the city. -- they have occurred around the clock and they have occurred in vastly different parts of the city. the most affected areas are the bay view, the western addition, and the tenderloin. commissioner hammer: i don't know what you have this data. homicide's themselves can be misleading. i think one of the more telling statistics would be to see whether there is an uptick in the shootings. to we have to tell looking at shootings this week instead -- do we have shootings -- do we have data looking at shootings

this week instead of last year? we have one of the best, hospitals in the country. people have gotten -- we have one of the best trauma hospitals in the country. people have gotten better at saving people. so i think that is a more telling statistic. >> item 3, routine administrative business. >> the only thing i would like to report on is that the occ funds are operational again. they were out of order monday and tuesday. no one was able to call or fax or office. the department of technology was advised as soon as we were notified by police department that there was a problem.

they looked into it to determine whether or not it was an equipment failure. it was not. they notified at&t on monday. it took at&t until tuesday afternoon to come and troubleshoot the problem. it was an at&t network problem. we are operational again. that concludes my report. president mazzucco: any questions? >> item 2c, commission president's report. president mazzucco: i would like to brief the public and the remainder of the commission that we have had very productive meetings regarding mental health issues. last week, a number of us met at my office to discuss this. we had a great conference with members of the memphis police department. it was incredible to learn

about the man does model, how that department deals with mental health issues. following that meeting, yesterday, myself, commissioner hammer, and commissioner chan had another productive meeting. we are looking at mental health issues we have to do with in the city, including issues of our officers are dealing with regarding their own mental health. i think we are going to make great strides. i will allow both commissioners to give you their opinion. commissioner hammer: i want to echo what he said and want to particularly thank you. commissioner chan took extra time to reach out to mental health advocates in the city. it is becoming clear to me that most successful models involve

real partnership, not just in the training stage, but as it goes on. we train specialists not just for a 24-hour course. the central part of what they do when they are not patrolling -- they are called to scenes, where they become experts. there are less injuries to our officers and other people. it is extraordinary. i am incredibly encouraged by the chiefs. but during 9, when we have this hearing, we can move the department -- but february 9, when we have this hearing, we can remove the department for work. we have the chance to avoid violence, to help our officers get to a situation where they do not have to use any kind of force. i want to think commissioner chan -- think commissioner chant

for bringing mental health advocates -- thank commissioner chan for bringing mental-health advocates back into this process. commissioner chan: i want to thank my colleagues for addressing this issue head on. i have received a lot of feedback from community groups about this prioritizing of mental health of february 9. the feedback has been extremely positive. that has been a step in the right direction in providing guidance and leadership regarding mentally ill members of the public. i was extremely impressed by the man does model. talking with major cochrane and dr. dupont, who have been doing this work for decades -- having two or 3 officer-involved shootings of mentally ill folks in 23 years is a an incredible number -- is an incredible number. i am excited to meet them in

person when they come to san francisco, to pick their brains even more. training is important, but it is about using that training every day in a thought out manner. there is a critical intervention-trained officer during every station at every time. i think those are some of the key things. there is a meeting occurring in los angeles, and i want to think the department for arranging for that trip for us, to make sure we do all of our homework in preparing for this upcoming commission hearing. commissioner kingsley: i was the only commissioner who had not participated in this meeting on friday, until dr. marshall appeared. i just want to thank you on behalf of all the rest of the commissioners, director hicks, and the three commissioners to

participated in this and are -- and are participating in an ongoing fashion. in has been earmarked by the police commission as being our number one priority. you are doing a lot of the book work and outreach on this. -- but work -- footwork and outreach on this. the training has been incredible, and the continued coordination. let us move forward into the future. on behalf of everybody else, thank you. >> you walk down a city block and see mental health issues. i witnessed two young girls offer a homeless person a cupcake, and he responded by smacking her in the head. mental health issues. the officer responded and took him in for a 5150.

we are at a crisis point here. thank you, commissioners, for getting on top of this. the next part of this is a status update on the search for the chief of police. we have already picked dates where we intend to have three names to the mayor by march 15. in doing so, we had to put out a job announcement in case there was any sort of mystery that there was an opening for the chief of police position in san francisco. commissioner channel rewrote the job posting we used last time, but they did it. that has been forwarded to the appropriate agencies in the city. on monday. >> monday afternoon. president mazzucco: we have given the due date for the return of the applications. what is over due date on that? -- our due date on that?

february 8, 5:00 p.m. the will be on a tuesday. hopefully, the police commission will have the opportunity to review those applications and start the initial process. we have that done. thank you very much, commissioner cahan. she was given the assignment, and by 11:00 it was done. a plus. [laughter] the process is in place. our ultimate goal is to do that. the next step is community outreach and community input. one other commissioners said there was not a violation of the brown act. i suggested we have three community meetings. keep in mind, as we stated earlier, we did close to 5018 months ago, and went -- close to 5018 months ago.

-- close to 50 18 months ago. the was suggested we do three. one will be at the lgbt center. one will be at the bayview. for the third, i suggested the terrible -- taribel. i thought that would cover the entire city and give people the opportunity to chime in. commissioner chan: that sounds good to me. i think we should get this ball rolling and have some dates picked up so we can start getting the word out. among all of us, on as the purse a commission as this is, i think we can do a good -- among all of us, as diverse a commission as this is, i think we can do a good job getting the word out.

i am going to reach out to agent -- to the asian police officers association. i am happy to do any other type of out reach needed. president mazzucco: the other thing we need to do is get together with the police department about meeting again with the members to see what they are looking for, give them another opportunity, in light of the fact that this is the first time the have had a cheap come from the outside in a long time. we need to hear from the rank and file about how that works. we need to set a date for that. that is another meeting for law enforcement officers. three for the community. if need be, myself and other commissioners will make ourselves available. it does not have to be a full quorum. commissioners can go out to the various chiefs' meetings. so long as there is not four of us there, we can hear what is going on there.

we can go out and meet with the asian police officers association, and various police officer groups. we can go to their meetings, and even the district's stations. it does not have to be as thorough as the first one. commissioners, check your calendars. let's pick the per se community meetings, where there will be a quorum. we can go to the applications as we receive them while going through the community process. vice president marshall: those meetings do not necessarily -- if there is a quorum, it has to be calendared. but do all of us have to be there? they can be informal, to the extent they do not have to be recorded. i do not want to hold things up because a quorum cannot be there. president mazzucco: we do not

necessarily need a quorum. our expert is shaking his head. secretary reilly: do you want to ask the city attorney about the notice requirements? >> if you are going to have a quorum, you need 15 days notice. vice president marshall: that is what i am concerned about. >> if you want to expedite it, you might want less than a quorum. president mazzucco: lt. reilley ran the last police chief surgeon on his own and did not have a the suggestion would be maybe we should schedule with these three meetings -- and did thes/t a quorum.ings -- and did the suggestion would be maybe we should schedule these three meetings. let us pick some dates and schedule the first meeting as a quorum 15 days from today, 15 days from tomorrow, which is a thursday evening. secretary reilly: we could do

that. we have to confirm that location and make sure the location is available tomorrow in order to make the 15 days. commissioner hammer: just briefly, the think you were reading of my notes. i agree with everything you have said in terms of the number of meetings and the locations. i am open to accepting them if others are as well. i think it provides access to people from different parts of the city. i think the most important stakeholders are police officers, 2000 folks about to be led by somebody else. i want to hear their opinions about what they think they need to do to move the apartment -- department for work. i think we have to move very quickly. if we are going to have meaningful interviews with these candidates, i think we need to hear from the community first, and from the stakeholders. i do not know how we start interviews without having a meaningful discussion with the

people of san francisco. i would suggest we have our first forum soon. i think if we are going to try to keep to a fast schedule, perhaps we ought to set some of these up for three commissioners to volunteer to do them, because that would go faster. commissioner chan: it does not make sense to call were denied having one or two or three of these meetings on a winston night, just at a community location, and include it as an agenda item. president mazzucco: my concern was we have a lot on our plates. our agenda is our fault. we always talk about how there is always the crisis. as we move into mental health issues, we have issues regarding pagers. -- regarding tazers. i would prefer these not be on

regular commission nights, including the disciplinary hearings. we have a full docket, and we need to get control of that. >> my suggestion would be that maybe we should just go ahead and have non-quorum meetings in the community. three commissioners would be assigned to go. we could do our three that wait and start moving forward, if need be. let us get them done sooner rather than later. commissioner chan: i don't disagree with your suggestion. if we have to give 15 days' notice, i am thinking thursday's are better for us, since before our wednesday meetings we are usually pretty busy getting ready. having won on february 10, which is a thursday, the 17th, a thursday, and the 24th, which is a thursday, we could announce

all three of them at the same time. we would be 15 days ahead of time if we posted today or tomorrow. >> it may be that you would want commission staff to take the discussion that happened tonight and try to reach out to identify locations and dates. we could work to identify commissioners that were available. >> once we hear the location is available, we could set the dates in accordance with our wishes. vice president marshall: i just don't want the quorum thing to stand in our way. i don't want that standing in the way of moving. i know sometimes the biggest bugaboo in the whole thing is finding a place to do it. the lieutenant knows that.

they do not have to be quorum meetings for me. sign me up for whatever when you want. commissioner chan: do we have to have the locations in the notice? we do? the reason i am suggesting these three thursdays, it to do not have to have locations in our notice, is it would give us flexibility. >> why don't we lock in those three dates as potential -- quorum community meetings. let us do that. 6:00 is better for the community. it gives people time to get home from work. we are going to be very flexible. thank you again for reminding me, and dr. marshall, thank you for reminding me that we do not need to have a quorum. we have a busy schedules -- we

have busy schedules. we will make ourselves available. >> last time, whether it is here -- officers can come forward and express their views for the department. i think that is an important listening session for me. how does that sit on the schedule? the one another tentative date for me? >> we could. i believe applications are not until -- you have the interview by march 15. >> which could start interviews after that. >> the police officers

association, been a central meeting place -- they could make the room available for us. mr. johnson? >> is it possible at some point during the process at a non- quorum meeting that you could make the poa available for a meeting spot so we could meet the officers? >> that would not be a problem. president mazzucco: it sounds as we have a plan. we will move forward with that in mind. >> we can tell the public our commitment is to conduct these listening sessions before we begin interviews, correct? president mazzucco: i think we can start accepting applications and review the applications.

>> i meant the interviews, though. president mazzucco: the actual interviews themselves should be done as we finish our last community meeting, but we can start betting the applications -- vetting the applications. >> for my part, i would like to ensure the community we want to listen in how we ask questions of these candidates. we will learn things as we listen. president mazzucco: for future reference, starting with next week, african put on as a personnel matter in closed session -- if we can put on as a personnel matter in closed session for each week the chief selection process, if we have time we could reduce some applications those evenings so we have that continuing in our agendas. thank you, everybody. commissioner hammer: i think we can use the police department

website to publish the locations. the public can know they can go to the police department website for the locations of these forums. secretary reilly: we can do that. it is not a problem. >> to add a little bit of information, we went with posting on police executive research web site, california chief of police association, major cities chiefs, and international association of chiefs of police. it is up there. we also did an initial blast to internal people who may be interested. >> is there any public comment on line items two a, b, or c? >> good evening, commissioners. on behalf of service employees international union, i am

representing police department employees. this discussion has been a perfect segue to what i wanted to discuss this evening. that is the characteristic we believe you should be looking at in the chief of police. i am sure your conversation for information on the memphis model is important to support and the community. we believe he should be looking for a chief who is community- based. we also think one needs to believe in alternatives to incarceration, who is understanding in the issues of those of color, and who will treat the miscellaneous civilian employees with equal respect and value as the sworn employees of the department, which leads me to my next point.

you talked about having a meeting with the poa. that is important because the chief is going to do with the officers. but another segment of employees that you missed was our civilian employees. i understand that your calendars are full, but we should find a date and time. we have plenty of meeting rooms to have a meeting. i can get the leaders of our civilian employees to come down and be able to express to you their concerns. not necessarily concerns, but what they believe would be important in a chief who is going to lead them. president mazzucco: thank you. we definitely will. >> who would by the coordinating with? the lieutenant over here. >> i have your card.

>> that is my last comment. thank you very much. president mazzucco: thank you very much. we really appreciate it. thanks. >> good evening, commissioners. my name is alice and a ball. i was born and raised in visitation valley. -- my name is alex sandoval. the other day, you're talking about police chiefs. i have dealt with a lot of officers in san francisco all my life, and people kept saying, "who do you think7ñ i would like for you to think about a man who has proven himself time and time again. he has worked with the community. he knows have to listen. that is important.

he is strong. he came here with integrity, respect, strength. he has the same qualities. we are very fortunate to have him. i think he is going to do a good job. i also want to invite the commissioners to the bay view police station. i think it is important if you guys want to come out and talk. i look forward to seeing you there. a lot of deaths have happened there for way too long. i know you guys cannot stop them. i think there are tools in the neighborhood that could be implemented. gregg actually came down to the church of visitation on sunnyvale. he did his time to come down and talk to the community when some of them were nervous and frustrated and did not know what to do about the people getting killed and mud. that was really big. that is the kind of person we need as police chief, somebody

who is going to get down and deal with the communities of all san francisco. these are hard issues. people are getting killed needlessly because of a lack of education, lack of jobs, but of hope. these are things that i think the police commission can understand. people are begging for somebody to be able to address those issues. greg ser is a great guy. just taken in consideration. i look forward to seeing you in district 10. have a good day. president mazzucco: further public comment? >> commissioners, good evening. my name is rio lawrence. i have been a member of the community for 42 years. based on my experience of

watching the city pick a police chief, you would be better off picking a man from the ranks of the troops respect than from another city and county. the reason why i say that is that i think the disaster with george gascone is going to continue, where you bring in a police chief that carries on as if he is some sort of loyalty, that has no intention of being a police chief or becoming an attorney. he leaves chaos when he leaves. i was here when i voted down with everybody in this room on the tazers. he wanted to build a payroll. i do not think you have to consult the poa.

that already 0 san francisco $500,000 from the president not paying the city that hasa9 been collected yet. a respected organization. it is for the benefit of the people at large. it is for the benefit of their own paychecks. but does not help the city of san francisco. payroll has exploded since 2001. in his compound itself by 10% a year. cannot go on. if you look at surrounding counties like san mateo, they had to lay off police. that is coming here. whether you like it or not, the city is bankrupt. it is only three to five years away from bankruptcy. part of the bankruptcy is pension, liabilities, and salaries of the sfpd.