cab company. thank you. >> charles rathbone, followed by song aryon. >> looks or cab company -- luxor cab company made numerous suggestions and pleased to see some are included in the final version. we would have liked to see some additional changes, especially regarding weekly reporting requirements. that said, these regulations have been under discussion for months. we are ready to move on. we urge you to adopt the agenda for you. thank you. >> sam marian, followed by barry toronto. >> the delay was a first -- a

one time event and should not minimize the value. what i am talking about -- you can access all the information by one or two keystrokes. but there is a flop if you want to use the gps, for example. if somebody forgets to turn off the meter, the drop off point could be a few miles down the hill. many times, we get papers from the police department or customers that they need some information. if we write it down on our way bill, we can fish the memory for that incident. but if it is done through the gps, we have nothing to go by.

an electronic waybill using our waybill as a foundation for a database is good. using the gps has so many flaws that i could talk for hours about. >> barry toronto followed by talik mahmoud. >> good afternoon, chairman nolan. i am really concerned about process. there is a lot here. you do not have to tell me. have all of you read all the pages of the changes today? if you have not, this is a concern, because then you are voting on something you do not know about. we need to go to every page. i have not been able to go to every page. that would be an insensitive way of going through this, by approving something you do not

know personally about. on that note, there are concerns. some of the issues need to be passed today, because they are our safety and they are procedural and they ought to be done. there are others that require at least proper book vacation. we know about the tax schemes, but that is for the pilot program. it is not for dealing with pages of changes that couldpeople's id other issues. those issues have not been dealt with enough. have a couple more town hall meetings so you make sure, when you get the note is about all the discussions of the traffic and parking changes -- it's as public hearing held out when? have you shown actual dates, showing you heard enough public comment to this? a lot of people were unhappy

with certain issues. some of them are no-brainers, as we said before. some of them should be dealt with in the to but more. what about the fiscal impact to us, non-employees of this agency. we do not work for you. you regulate us, but you do not pay our salaries. you do not pay our health benefits. >> i am a driver. about the electronic waybills, do all of you put out your contract in one disk and let us have a record of what contacts

he made with your clients, what money you collected? we do not. do we ask the millions in this country how much money they make? we do not. they have their own system. 90% of them steal the money every day. millions of them do not report their information correctly. 90%, no. and electronic waybill means everything on one disk. how many things can go wrong? one day, it can go way wrong. one day it can go wrong. that this -- you are slaughtering the industry, the drivers future. an electronically bill is no good for the drivers. -- an electronic waybill is no good for the drivers. you do not pay them a health

care or pensions. you do not give them anything. it is brought to you by lobbyists and cap companies who brought you through a certain way. they are going to benefit out of it. the way bill costs $300 a month. we are starting from $70 a shift. that is already $107. we have added up in the last 10 years, tens of hundreds of millions of dollars to their pocket. everything can be handled. no electronic waybills, please. >> my name is tong lee. i am a taxicab driver.

drivers buying medallions are so happy. a lot of drivers regret they did not sign up to buy. all of the drivers are going to be guilty. a lot of drivers drive more than the hours you regulated. also, we are very scared and afraid of this electronic waybill to affect our job flexibility, and also a lot of things. i would install a wire to your bank account and install a gps in your car. we would track all of your activities. i think all of the government's cars should be installed with gps and track the activity they make. a lot of government officers use

their high-priced car and gasoline to go to their own personal parties. we use our own gasoline. what about wikileaks? how much damage did that make for america. all this information is good and bad also. could end up with our own weapon because some enemy knows our defense system and should sit at our own hands. that is so scary about electronics so far. a lot of things are good. an electronic waybill -- we are not ready. i asked a lot of drivers. thank you so much.

>> i am not sure what you decided. you decided to talk about electronic waybills? generally speaking, that was the intent. ok. basically, this thing has been discussed and discussed, a lot of these details in here. i think it is time to actually do something. the change about this from 21 is pretty silly. nobody would insure a driver for 21. otherwise, i think this is about time to go forward. thank you. >> jim gillespie.

>> commission director, i am the general manager at yellow cab. my comments are going to parallel the issues that are on there. with newer cars and hybrid cars, there is a lot of demand being put on the industry that costs a lot of money. the companies, the medallion holders, continued for the last two decades. the staff of the texas division -- their salaries are funded by medallion renewal fees. burkhart dispatch renewal fees. the reason i bring this up is we now have the sale of medallions

that is raising up several million dollars going to the mta. my understanding is that 20% of it is going into the texas division. it seems to be some percentage that should be designated to that. our fees have basically tripled in the last few years. our renewal fees are up to $1,200 because we are the only funding source for the texas division staff -- for the taxi division staff. you're passing things that could be good for the industry. it does create a financial burden on us. we appreciate these several million dollars coming to the agency. some percentage of it could be directed to taxes, to relief of the fees we are paying. i would take it away and bring

it back to what it used to be. thank you. >> good afternoon. i have been asked to speak on behalf of arrow cab company. let me address the electronic waybills implementation. we are not against that. however, it is a significant change, a paradigm change in the way of reporting on waybills, both in proceeding and purpose. therefore, we think it is going to take some significant amount of time to adapt and understand how it works and how it is going to not work, possibly. we are asking for a significant window of time for implementation, sort of a beta test for some of the equipment

before we are formally required to have it. for instance, pushing it to september before it is actually required. there may be legal implications. a lot of the electronic waybill information should be solely for the purpose of the taxi director, and not for the company. if there is some way to fire wall that provided for that reason, i wanted to go to the gas and gates issue for seller'' down payment. i think it should be a set amount of time rather than and tell payment in full is made, because i forget what the reason was. it seems to me it was to serve also the purpose of addressing losses to the company caused by

the sale and transfer of medallions to long-term leases and affiliate's status. this preserves -- and i out of -- am i out of time? >> i am the general manager from sf green cab and the president of a company called affiliated taxi services. i also sit on the taxicab advisory council. i fully support this. i think it is a great thing. there is a lot of misunderstanding of the technology. the technology at green tab -- we've been using it for over a year now, fully implemented. we are using almost all of these ordinances and drafts.

at this point, we are falling behind. i think that this draft as it is will bring a result. i fully support this. >> the last speaker who turned in a card is hans kim. >> i am speaking on behalf of the san francisco taxicab coalition. i have come in front of the many times. i have criticized the agency where i think it makes mistakes. when it comes to tax the issues -- taxi issues, you have not given strong leadership in a difficult industry. we have had very strong managers dealing with these issues concerning the problems starting with the paratransit debit card

project. you have handled this with great leadership in a very difficult area. one thing that you provided that i have never seen in my time in the taxi industry is a forum in which drivers and companies can talk about their issues. what has come in front of you today has been vetted through the industry over and over again, every issue. what you are seeing here is resistance to those that have come from a legacy system, where medallions were given away to individuals. we have companies and drivers that do not want accountability. they want to be able to not drive and still get their medallion. companies want to be able to pretend medallion holders are driving. this give the tools for accountability that is not only needed for this industry to create an even playing field

amongst all taxi drivers and cab companies that is long overdue. now that you have a system of buying and selling the balance, we have committed people to be in the taxi industry, it is all the more necessary to put in rules like this that create a fair and even playing field. you will always get resistance from members of this industry who want no accountability. these rules bring it. thank you. chairperson nolan: we have three suggestions here about keeping the age of 21 instead of raising it. do you want to say why? >> i think we have heard a great deal about the situation. we are making changes in an industry that has operated largely in the same way for decades now. we are making some changes.

another is this issue of electronic by bills. you have heard a couple of public, enters speak to how that process is fraught with some issues -- public commenters speak to how that process is fraught with some issues. we can easily evaluate whether you have driven under the requirements currently under law. >> they will not be able to get insurance and will not be able to drive. we moved it back to 21. chairperson nolan: is there a second on that motion to keep the age 21? all those in favor? ok. on the way bills and credit cards.

>> generally, i love technology. technology is not always our friend. anytime i get a document that i have not even gone all the way through -- is enormous document. it is not a matter of i did not have the document, but there are so many parts to this document that even i, going through it -- i am miserable comprehending why this is here. the whole issue of the credit card processing to do the back

seat swipes -- i think there are some companies who are not being complaint against by their drivers who should be given the opportunity to say, "i want to do this. let me do it my way." i know that that is not really the way this is going to go. i think electronic waybills are the way to go. whether you like it or not, that is going to happen, probably sooner than later. those are not the issues i am

really dealing with. i am dealing with issues of third-parties getting the 5% or 7%. some companies are saying this should be able to charge that to drivers and keep the money to help the operation. i am listening to company heads who told me they do not have any problem with their drivers objecting. in those instances where we do not know that the drivers are really having problems with the way they are being treated by the managers, why do we have to force a third party to do the

cards for five%. -- for 5%? chairperson nolan: are you requesting a delay what you have more information? >> i have other ideas we might consider. >> you said two issues, but i heard the issue of the external charging for the credit card. but i also heard director oka say he is ok with the way bill. director oka: that is going to happen anyway. the credit card drivers -- companies not being able to keep -- >> i apologize for jumping through your comments. when you said it would happen would you like it or not, if you ever run for lieutenant governor, we will see that in

your commercials. director oka: i do not intend to run for that. >> the actual credit card fee, whether it is the owners or the drivers who are paying for it -- that is not before you today. you i did on a previous meeting. as we bring that decision and issue back before you, and how it is being administered and impending drivers -- i think we can bring that back in terms of revisiting that decision. but that is not in the package you have before you. chairperson nolan: if we pass the package today and then come back with a report on that? >> with that, we have heard two sets of concerns. one is that there has not been time to provide input. i am always sensitive on that,

but that is a reason we have continued this and send it back to the advisory council. i think there has been sufficient time for members of the industry. i am sorry about that, but we made an effort. i come back to the comment that there is a lot of important stuff we need to get moving on i think these technological updates are important to the industry. i think that are important to better the industry and make consumers and drivers better. i would move this item. chairperson nolan: is there a second? can we do this with the understanding that directors oka's concerns will be addressed? >> that will be in the march meeting. chairperson nolan: we have a motion and a second. the ayes have it.

>> item 13, approving amendments to transportation code to establish a vehicle from a parking on designated sfmta property unless such vehicle displays bella proof of payment, and to establish a citation penalty amount. chairperson nolan: let us hear from members of the public first. >> rafael cabrera and art gonzalez. >> i am bob plant-holtz. i can to express concern about this item. i do not think all the details

were made clear and specific. i suggest this process is not fair the way it is drawn up. it is my understanding that may be 30% of the operators, and maybe some other employees, either start their work shipped before transit starts or and the shift after transit and. there is no way they can get to or from their work site except by driving, whether or not they live in san francisco. a substantial percentage of the employees have to drive. it seems unfair to charge them, when they do not have an option beyond that. from all the riding i do on transit, i have some operators say, "so and so is going to take my shift tomorrow." if you give passes to those who have an unusual work shift, what do you do when people switch shifts? there are a lot of details that

make this hard to simply require everybody to pay. it is not a 9 to 5 job. it is a 24 hour cycle of work. in these situations, how can you charge some and not others? how can you charge all, when some have no alternative? i suggest this needs to be more carefully thought out and made public. >> rough idle -- rafael cabrera. >> good afternoon, chairman nolan, board of directors. my name is rafel cabrera. i am the union president. i have some issues. if i am not mistaken, this is a continuation from the board meeting january 18, 2011. if i am not mistaken, this item

is before you to vote on it. if that is the case, why is that there is a bulletin that an problem would begin. so -- so how can you -- without the approval of the m.t.a. board of directors. not only that how can you set it up without meeting with concern with this local? until today, i received the -- what is it called? the employee parking proposal. this is the first time i seen it. i have issues with it. not only that, i hope you have

seen this -- this paperwork. they talk about 2000. we're in 2011. when they say the privilege of tree parking encourages employees to drive alone, let it be [unintelligible] 3:00 this the morning. some of us get up late at night. we got 24/7. but still the process has been violated and we demand that you stop this nonsense. we need to meet and confirm on issues. if this is a good example that including the board has been bypassed. >> mark gonzalez. >> good afternoon, president nolan and board of directors. i agree with the previous speakers. the workers that repair the