little bit. the customer charges $4 which each customer would pay. you would see kilowatt hours of use and you see three tiers theire. then you will see different rates associated. what is happening here is the redevelopment area is that the average was supposed to be 130 kilowatt hours. a rate report describes these options in details.

. we selected option number6. there is a really good reason for the untypically your commercial -- for the typically commercial side. you have many and diverse customers. we did that as well.

options 3 and 4 based on winter uses. we selected option for and we recommended that to the power enterprise. the next two slides are really repetitive. the customer charge is important, the price signal is important so that when customers use more energy, they save more. winter service should be differentiated.

this should include it in monthly service charge, $5 for -- phase service. these should have seasonal characteristics which is recommended. it is the couple of other point before i close, in our report which we provided some information with regard to the general fund customers and enterprise customers, this provides the framework with the decision lakers their rates. -- with the decision makers to change those rates. we build plants to maximize the good things. that concludes my report. if there are no questions, i

would like to turn it over. >> i have some methodology questions. the first of all, the presumption here is that we will provide cost-based rates and that is in the charter which says that we will do this for retail rates. this does not say that we will do that for all rates the way that the methodology works is that if verdoorn lead -- if we have revenues in excess of costs, does that reduce the revenue requirement? which there reduces the rate which would be allocated to the redevelopment areas? >> i would agree with that.

the study was to allocate costs to the redevelopment areas. if the enterprise customers arm charged the peachy any rate, we would not consider that specific and allocating cost to the two customer groups. >> as i read it, you had a revenue offset which basically took the revenues from the airport and then deducted that from the revenue requirement for all other classes of customers. >> the chart you are referring to did indeed have revenue offsets. those were from surplus sales of electricity which was the main

revenue of said. the second came from the two irrigation district. also on the river bed or is called the north industries development. we did not consider the revenue contribution from revenue customers although that data is available. we did not use that source to offset the total cost. the that we wanted to determine what the cost to serve different groups was without regard to the rates currently being charged with the exception of the revenue offsets that i just mentioned. >> it looked to me like to the revenue of sets have the effect of taking the collections and crediting those against the revenue requirement so the total requirement was lower.

incidently, when you apply that to customers, that allocated to the redevelopment area was also reduced. >> that is exactly correct. we did not take those from revenue customers to offset the costs. >> why do you have to do it that way? what i'm wondering specifically is whether we can have a two parts of our business, one is where the rates are cost-based and the other is where we try to maximize revenues. we have fought very hard for a very long time, we have fought battles in congress and in the courts to preserve our right to charge rates to some customers

not just on the basis of cost but on market value and did concern me if we are in any way stepping away from that. would it make more sense or if it would be permissible under this methodology to basically segregated out the money-making part of the business and to take the load out and the revenue out and to have this totally separate. then to look at the rest of the business and allocate this. >> i may not be the best person to answer the policy question. >> for the methodology and cost- based, is it permissible to separate an enterprise into this? >> this allowed us to do that.

[inaudible] ultimately this is a policy decision. we did a rate steady some are based upon cost of service and how we can do that by offering a premium. >> i guess if i can synthesize this discussion. are we saying that the rights you are proposing would have the effect that any revenues and costs would receive from the district and actually subsidize rates? >> there is not cost

subsidization we cannot sign any of this to offset any cost anywhere else. >> what we are recovering from is paying for the cost and the obligations that we have. >> if we make money off of them , they are not being held. >> i'm not sure i agree with that parent tauchnitz -- i'm not sure if i recall with that. if we are making money from anyone, my reading of your methodology says that it does not specifically subsidize the redevelopment area. what it does is it subsidizes all costs of the rates.

this does this as a matter of formula. if we are successful in creating profitable contracts with people, how are we allocating this? we might choose to allocate this to the solar -- if we save energy in this building, we have a hard time recouping the cost because we don't have anyone to sell it to and a higher price. the options are limited. the more options that we can create to have high revenue markets, the more we can afford

to do but in the conservation area. it makes more sense to preserve that capacity which we have fought for four decades. >> let's go back and look at a nature that we can explain which way we believed it is, if it matches the explanation. >> you indicated the formula gave you the flexibility to deal with the methodology. hunters point might be paying more than most rate payers. >> actually for the relevant

comparison, this is what the rates are compared to pg&e as compared to the rest of the marketplace. we are looking at what we can do and what we can provide for a green product as well as provide incentives for economic redevelopment. we are looking at the ability to be able to propose this cheaper rate back and provide a clean product. >> in terms of privatization, i also agree with respect to conservation issues and where we can't find the necessary funds to do that. we can help the ratepayer achieve a more competitive rate. is there a formula you have devised to determine that?

>> this is on slide 16 or 17. we did look at that because we took your comments for prioritizing and providing a green sustainable product and also a stable rate. that is what we took. we turned this into a staff proposal. this is a great side -- segue. e*trade player class will paying for the green products they're getting and it might be a nice

thing to segue to mr. perle. >> thank you very much. good afternoon. once the independent rate study is completed, what staff does this takes the information and compares it to information, industry trends, that kind of thing. this develops a rate proposal for this commission. there is a residential side and the commercial side that i will look at. we work on this project to make sure that the policy priorities were taken into account.

what you will see on the next couple of slides provide high- quality services promoting and green sustainable city and expanding our to occasions as well as investing in our community. looking at the policy initiatives and focusing on our sustainability, resources conservation, asset management, the investments, looking at the redevelopment which is pertinent to the retail rate as well as work force development, we wanted to make sure that all of these things were on the table.

on the retail side on the reach of residential side, the goalie had was wanted to make sure what we are proposing to you came in cheaper and greener than the alternative. we were able to achieve both of those things. this provides an economic area because you probably know that we don't have any customers there on the the the retail or the customer site. this is an economic stimulus for the redevelopment areas. adding to years to promote conservation, the first two tiers represent the vast majority of the kilowatt hour usage and the vast majority of the customers. that third will provide the opportunity of finding

additional green power purchases so that by the first day you should be able to provide 100% green and clear energy. those funds will fund the green power investment fund to purchase additional green energy. there will be conservation and rebate type plans for customers. this helps to set aside some of the problems with a great shock this is recommended by the rate consultant and trying to fight

the cost of race. that means the cost during the summer would be higher than those during the winter. we will propose low income discounts of about 30% off the retail rates that will describe any moment as well as the medical assistance program for those customers that relied on electrically powered devices. in terms of the rate proposal perspective, what it shows is the proposal on the right reflecting the 10% savings over the pg&e rates. this is different than the rate structure from pg&e which is being consolidated into a three

tier system. they all have the same numbers. they represent that those are in a single tear. our customer service charges include customer service and billing related type expenses. the discount would be 30% off of the rates. this is not so much a rate adjustment as an expansion in the kilowatt hours because they will have a higher electric demand. what this looks like for our budget and cost of service, cost of service as described is what you see in this chart to the left. on top of that, we are lower in

the contribution between 1 cents and 2 cents per tear as well as the -- contribution. if you look at the capital fund column, you will see the vast majority of that rate. this will fund future green power purchases. the total residential rate proposed is about 24 cents. we would like to show you what the average bill looks like. this is the estimated average customer use the bill per must

between 52 and $77. on the commercial side, many of the reactor before similar in terms of the various programs but the actual structure is different. there is a single tear which is the standard until the the approach to rate setting for commercial customers and you differentiate different uses based on season, the summer season which is a little bit pickier will be a little higher than the winter season which is from november through april. this is providing a 10% savings as proposed by pg&e. the capital investment arms provide an economic stimulus

rate for providing customers into the regional mysterious and funding our public goods benefit programs and the stabilization reserves. pg&e's rates have 11.3% rate of return included in their rates so that is where we can provide some cost advantage because we're not looking for profit. specifically, what the rates look like on the right side for reflecting the 10% as proposed pg&e rates reflect the difference between the winter and summer variants and the customer charge which shows the raids on a daily basis which is between $13.20 dollars a month. -- $13 and at $20 a month.

from a cost of service perspective, this is with the average cost of 9 cents a gallon over five years. on top of that, we are glaring at the additional contributions. we are projecting over the next five years assuming the bill that moves forward that we will be able to pull together about 1.3 million and the rate stabilization fund at about $3.8 million in the green capital fund. >> in what amount of time? >> over five years. >> thank you. >> we are averaging a bill and this would take about 3600

monthly kilowatt hours which would be about $500 on average for that customer as compared to the proposed pg&e. miscellaneous fees are part of our proposal as with our other economic prizes. we have some -- as with our other economic enterprises. there is one-and-a-half% of the outstanding balance. there is a restoration feet. if the services terminated any is to be turned on, we can send a crew out there. these are currently with the water and wastewater. in these fees are tied to an inflationary index so do not be coming back and adjusting them each year but we will be looking at them periodically from the

cost of service perspective. my last slide it is talking about the effectiveness. these must be repealed or modified. we need to come back every five years. however, we will look at the cost of surface every year during the budget. we currently do that for the water and wastewater enterprises. in terms of future rate considerations, we consider this to be a base for us and this is a good exercise for us to look at our customer classes. looking at a future rate considerations, economic

incentives, if we have a need for addressing a particular customer that would like to relocate. electric vehicles, clean energy, and two other fairly popular areas. the fact is that we don't have any customers at the present time so we are happy to entertain those new rate support needs as the customer demand is better defined. that is the formal review of the rate proposal. we will be submitted the details for approval two weeks from now and i would be happy to take your questions as they relate to the rate proposal.

>> you have built in here a couple places to find to some of the initiatives that we have put forward. the public benefit fund was set

up at 2.5% of total revenues. we have solar power programs, we have the ocean generation, does this fully fund that? or does this reduce that resource? >> first of all, we are starting off with nothing as far as these redevelopment areas. what we are funding a as 10-$15 million of energy efficiency become a public benefits types of programs. right now, we are finding the equivalent of 10-15%