there was no way to get in that business at all. the existing business can provide home service, or something like that. just trying to figure out a way to do that. in terms of dbi and how it can help people, they could make better use of their home resources. there is one casp certified inspectors in the department. i studied with him. he was taken out of the access appeals commission. he has nothing to do with access. that is not a good use of your own resources. i know i may use of several -- make use of several hot lines all the time. the department of justice has an 88800 number you can call to get free information about the ada. if they do not know, they send

you over to architecture transportation barriers compliance board, who actually wrote the ada. i did that this morning trying to figure out how you define "firm." they have an 800 number in washington. they will give you free information. it is there. all you have to do is call. the department of building inspection, you can call up a number. there is a person at the counter there to give a free information about the building code.

your options are, and you can have a plan and start working towards it. at least you are moving towards accessibility, which is what every body needs a very good -- every but they need 3 did the department could also provide workshops for the public curio -- for the public. we taught a workshop, and we showed an example. the more people start thinking

about accessibility, they will come up with their own solutions, because it is not really rocket science. as far as highlighting businesses, it is an interesting idea. i am not sure how people to the. -- how people do that. getting that information will make it so people can look at how people solve the problem, because it is really just problem-solving and a sixth of. >> any further questions? >> have you ever encountered in a situation that could never be solved, given the few just say,

given seven out of faith, the eighth one will be insurmountable? >> skycam mentioned, there was one project that came through -- as i mentioned, there was one business that came through there was no way. we would recommend other businesses that are acceptable or provide home delivery. i did one project where they put an intercom at the street level, and there is no way to put an elevator to the small restaurant at the second floor, press the button, and we will take your order, which is one of the things that the department of justice recommends. they will say, we cannot, but we

will give you someone else who can, but we cannot do it. >> public comments? >> i would like to thank you for spending this time, and i would like to congratulate your staff for doing a lot of work and in the last two or three years. there is a lot to do, and i do not think we are half way there yet. the biggest problem they have is when they do nothing. the person who wants to use the service is very angry when they

send a letter and they get blown off, and they go to a lawsuit it gives the right -- go to a lawsuit. it gives the right of responsibility, but there is no other action. there is no public body that will enforce this. the 16 08 is of limited value. there is a way to do it, and the more the city staff helps them to see a way to do it, the easier it is to move toward saying, i am going to see what it takes if you cannot fix

anything, that may not as expensive as it would have been. i am happy to see you are focusing on restaurants as a place to start. all of the early lawsuits were again restaurants, because they make so many changes to keep customers coming, and they were the first people to be sued, so i think they are the best group to start with. they have a lot of customers, and they have great responsibilities. i would hope dbi can go further

than that sending out notes curator -- sending out notes. i looked at it. if i got it, i might put it on the long list from my a a very good -- from my bank. i would like to see them expend to a larger range of small businesses and work their way up to see if you can hit 50,000 or some number. the other way is to let the small businesses know you can do some facilitation. the fire department figures out how to make your place more

accessible. the one thing they can do this address this. it is something not accessible very good they think they are ok, and they have laid a time bomb. you know the first reaction is going to be, i got a permit. the better you do that job, you are also providing another permit for small and businesses. >> next speaker please. >> i liked the suggestion of having dothe dbi.

we have the legislation that could potentially trigger mandatory. most people do not realize there is such thing as a structural exercise only. is untitled 24 -- it is titled 24 construction cost reagan most people will realize that should take care of their requirements, but it does not. people need to be notified and informed. accessibility is a much more complicated they, dense if you

have to deal with it, you are going to have today and the accessibility consultant to help you. i appreciate the efforts to put this out there. this is a constant effort. outreach is crucial. >> any further public comments. next item. >> and next item is item number eight, commissioners comments. . >> what i see is some category of notification davis --

notification, and we are seeing how they are notified on whether they have made efforts of meeting compliance as a general note. >> we have talked to the tax of treasurer's office of ways of doing this, and their preference is not to do so, because they want to use the to communicate with business. our office is making a commitment as part of on going out to reach. -- out of reach. the office will be provided in

our office and with all of this. our office will be sending a welcome level, -- welcome letter. there are other things the businesses do not always get informed of. let us know, and we will help you through this. >> one radical concept is when you sell a property, you have to

disclose a certain amount of information in terms of the components of the building. you have to disclose accessibility issues with the properties as a condition of sale. >> public comments are closed. next item. >> item #8, this item will allow the commissioners to provide closing comments to the joint meeting. >> comments from the commissioners? we have public comments on that.

seeing none. >> item #9 is the general public comment which will allow members of the public to suggest new agenda items for consideration. >> public comments? three minutes. >> i am from the college of irresponsible growth. -- of the responsible growth. i heard the president start opening remarks with what i understood to be speaking about education and discovery, and you have taken us on a roller coaster of information, and i would like to thank you and all

the speakers who brought information. as i was listening, i kept going from here to another place, another country, another state, perhaps another clennon -- perhaps another planet, and i wonder what i might be thinking there. i could come up with only words such as grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre, and unprecedented.

you have within your power the gift of changing that, because the customer is unhappy with how things are, and you must change it. i know you are planning and thinking about that, because if you do not, san francisco and will not be a place where people will want to do business. they will want to live here for many reasons but not do business, and that is unthinkable. this is the year of the golden robert -- rabbit, and i understand what one wishes for will come true, and my wish is that you make san francisco a better place to do business.

thank you. >> any further public comment bowman -- public comment? seeing none, next item. >>-#10, new business allows future consideration for a joint commission meetings. >> i just thought are worried and roll it in one. i would like to thank you for being here tonight. a great big cross and -- agreed they thank you to the commissioners for being here. for new business going forward,

as we mentioned at the outset, we hope to have the planning department involved, and perhaps in the next meeting we will condense the items into something smaller and to dig deeper and make everything better for the future. just a reminder we will hopefully have that as soon as possible. i know staff will get working on that, and thank you, and everybody's. >> i wonder if we can include the health department for the process for restaurant food service to have somebody be of assistance for that.

>> absolutely. can you make a note of that? >> wasn't there one point where you said we could have a central location? >> we talked about that. we can certainly put that on the agenda item as well. something like the environmental exemption would be something justified as taking up, because it is so complicated. suddenly when you have three minutes to speak, and now you make one point or three points, and you finish in a minute.

i think it should be coming out in future discussion. we definitely want to make a point of fact. commissioner clyde: with specific topics that are very -- for planning, wouldn't it be possible to meet jointly and discuss the mark could that be of a proposal to have a small working group between planning and the small business commission?

>> i think that is a great idea. i think we will have to consult with legal. i am understanding, a working group set would be commissioners across the commission. >> commissioners from a different commission but a working group. >> i think that is a great idea of a. i think we should check to make sure we are not violated any legal rules or laws on that your good -- on that. >> i would like to thank my colleagues and commissioners from small business. i would also like to thanks staff for coming tonight and of

course public comments. i think it is agreed that you set your and are concerned about what goes on at these hearings, -- it is great that you are concerned about what goes on at these hearings. that is it for me. >> is there any public comment on item number 10? seeing none, we can move to item number 11, adjournment reagan moved to adjourn? >> seconded -- adjournment. move to adjourn? >> second. >> we are now adjourn.

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this building was built in 1936. as a board to preserve the history and make the students aware of that history. the partnering between sfmoma and the arts commission means they will be more aware of the artwork that we have here, the artists that painted a, and the history behind this itself. >> students came from george washington, and it was wonderful to have them on a panel. people from the school board, those who have been painting for years, some conservative errors from the getty. to have them tell us about the works of their school was important. it represents african-american artists to during the 20's and 30's used an incredible body of

work. it is one of the most incredible works of art in the city, bar none. it is a huge mural of incredible works. >> the san francisco civic arts collection has been in existence since the turn of the century. it consists of everything from monument to golden gate park to market street, other works in the collection, from the wpa era, the quite tower, the works from the george washington high school. we have the contemporary education, where they depict some of the vocational arts that were taught at george washington high school. what is interesting is the artist's and corp. of some of the -- incorporation of some of the architectural elements. they used the speaker from the p

a system as part of the design. on the opposite side of the library, we have a large fresco which depicts the academic subjects that were taught at the time. it serves as a foil to the other fresco in the library, we have academic subjects on one side, vocational subjects on the other, and result is the concept of a well-rounded education. additionally, what we plan to do is the academy of hospitality and tourism will be part of, so the students can share with other students, faculty, the neighborhood, and others to come by and what to look to the artwork we have. >> by working with the students, we hope to raise awareness of the collection and foster stewardship.

we brought diego rivera to the city. i think the wpa art work is characterized by stylized robustness and a pervasive occupation with a historical. in this panel, we have a depiction of george washington moving west. what is interesting about it is the image of lewis and clark here is in black and white, something that is occurring in the future, painted as though it was in the past. what is interesting about it is the very obvious conclusion of slavery. the number of students were expressing unease around some of the themes.