facts, but we would be remiss in informing how helpful the real- estate department has been. this includes maximizing revenue to the city. while further in the environmental and social goals important to the city. hope you have further questions, do not hesitate to contact me. [chime] >> i don't understand the purpose of your presentation. >> he wanted to show his support for the real-estate department and how effectively have worked with them in the last 14 years. i'm not sure what mr. isaac

intended. >> your employer is opposed to the reorganization? the purpose of your presentation is to support the real estate department. president vietor: thank you. >> that begs the question, what is the rationale for the reorganization? can we talk about that? >> we have tried this -- to stay in the public record. talking about the deficiencies in administration, but what i think he was talking about was that we are also involved in the other real estate

transactions. we end up having to have other people work on them. on treasure island, hunters point, on the larger ones, we had somebody that was an attorney and an 0941 manager. >> and that is public information, correct? >> and the fact that we have had to bring in other people. >> you have no audits or concerns? thank you. president vietor: next speaker, please. >> mr. kelly. >> i'm just speaking highly of what i have had with the real estate department. they are very professional in

running a horse ranch. still the same, they are a great group to work with. >> where is your horse ranch? hong san mateo. president vietor: hanthank you r your comment. next speaker, please. welcome back. >> i have a prepared something. good afternoon president and commission members. i am the president of the board of the nonprofit skyline stables. when we have been your tenants for over 60 years. we negotiated an agreement in good faith to make way for the

water systems improvement project at our old home. we have vacated our barns and the horses are scattered liberally throughout the country now. our group is prepared to invest a considerable amount of time, effort, money, and hope to build our stable on another location. this has been a very long struggle for us and we are tremendously concerned that the sfpuc might consider the idea of removing the present real-estate division. this department oversees a huge amount of property. he each of these has a unique history with your organization. the real-estate department has extensive historical knowledge of the properties and the people associated with them. it was impressive to see how far back our association with your present real-estate sacco's. if this is an irreplaceable

investment of time, it will not save money. it will create chaos and in sufficiency -- insufficiency. perhaps it will make clear the money you have saved over the years. the offer continuity in a bureaucracy that is completely subject to a change in personnel. you cannot replace their knowledge. it is simply impossible to manage all of these affectively. in your proposed budget introduction is out reach and invest in people and communities. removing a department that has been actively serving the community for decades completely negates these goals.

i said that you might be asked to consider and goals that might directly affect our future. please consider our willingness to work with you and include the real estate division in your future. it will greatly benefit both of our organizations. president vietor: think you for your comments. -- thank you for your comments. >> mr. miller. >> good afternoon, commissioners. i represent verizon wireless. i am speaking specifically to two leases we have. our comment is that we have worked with puc for a long time. our experience is they have been

professional with us. while wewe would encourage you o seriously consider whether or not changes are warranted. it generates income for the city, and we want to be on the record in that regard. >> the next speaker is mr. weaver. >> president, chairman birds, i am the district office chief of the department of transportation. we oppose the proposed reorganization. our work load have peaks and valleys. >> the department of transportation where? >> california department of transportation. >> you are the -- opposed to the

reorganization. i have never heard that happen before i will tell you why. we deal with hundreds of jobs. >> you are authorized to be here on -- as a representative of the state government. >> my boss knows i am here. parks as the director know you are here? -- >> as the director know you are here? >> no. my department works extensively securing permanence from road widening to maintenance to eastmaement, and we oppose gettg rid of an entire apartment. we do not get rid of are

generalists -- our generalist spirit and we keep them to issue permits back-and-forth with agencies. >> so i could complain about van ness ave, because that is under your jurisdiction? i can come to your director and complain? >> you are welcome to come to me and complain. >> i have never seen this happen before. thank you, sir. >> next speaker please. >> sorry, my reading abilities.

>> good afternoon, commissioners. the last time i had the pleasure of seeing you was in my territory, and it was a great today when you pass the environmental justice legislation, so thank you for that. after looking through the budget document that was on line, i noticed in the budget proposal -- >> please continue. >> there was a change in the structure of the real-estate department, and as a community member and a tenant of the southeast greenhouses, i was a bit concerned. i do not pretend to know the difference between one manager and another, but it seemed

implied there were going to be some personnel changes, and in the 10 men if i have -- the 10 years i have been working with your department, i have not experienced any of the troubles i've just heard happened, and looking at the plans, it is thrilling to see the concentrated efforts and the focus you are making on the communities benefit, but i am nervous that without a brain trust, it sounds like the implied personnel changes are more than implied, and i'd like to urge you to consider the history and understanding this current administration has developed with the gave you and southeast community. -- bayview and southeast

community. perhaps training would be in order, but i am proud of what they have done for the community and for us. >> thank you for your comments. >> hi, commissioners. we have a lease for you, and we have had one for many years. we are in the process of selling part of the property. part of the property is also a public street, and the dealings

and have had have been very professional, and i can ditto most of the speakers. everything we have had has been very professional, and it's downright scares us to see this project handed off to somebody that does not understand what is going on, and the two years history we have had has been very good. thank you. >> the next speaker is mr. summers. >> good afternoon, members of the commission. our company is currently the

leaseholder for the mining site lease in sonora. we have been working on it for over five years. it is a unique release in that it mary's private lands and public lands together for the benefit of the watershed lands. another unique factor is that it obtains the support of the center for biological diversity. for the last five years our main contact has been with the department of real estate. many divisions, and all have had their interests in this project. the department of real estate has done an excellent job of bringing these interests to gather. without the leadership and professional approach taken by

the department, i do not believe we would have come as far as we have over the last five years. it is part of an entitlement process to expand the site, and we continue to work with the community and public agencies. we believe it is important to have continuity and hope they will maintain the current staff in the department of real estate as we move forward to get this approved. >> the next speaker is miss jenkins. >> good afternoon. i represent the real estate department.

i would like to say the puc has always represented the plan should be for the delivery and protection of the water. they were then responsible for generating income through properties. the new vision was to focus on real estate development, and they propose to hire more people in the area. this has been attempted in the past. the puc has had little or no supply of surplus and excess land. to claim there is a need to create new positions due to lack of skills or expertise in certain functions is unfounded. they have always worked on

complex transitions related to development, and those have been diminished. should the budget move forward, long time city employees with literally 150 years combined service who have already been trained are being who replaced with new hires who must be recruited, interviewed, trained, and worked years to develop the relationships already in place, and i say this because there is no guarantee these employees will be hired. these are generalists classes we often represent. the 1823 series were attempted, they would essentially be

replacing 41 ceres -- series of lesser pay. i would like to add that they have to circumvent the process. we have real concerns about the overlapping function and what happens when you eliminate an entire department and bring on new people. we felt there needs to be discussions between the department and the union. the knowledge that will be lost should this decision be made will affect the department and the puc as awful. three j a -- as a whole. >> can you help me understand what took place related to this issue? have you attempted to initiate

conversation? >> we have not attempted to initiate conversation. we talked to our members. we were told about this not too long ago. it was pretty short notice. management has had one meeting with our members regarding ethniit. >> the you consider it to be a unilateral change? >> we do. it is something we have not seen done before. >> i will talk to bob. the ball is in your court. >> how many employees are impacted by this decision? >> it would be five employees.

>> the is saying the foundlings are not accurate? >> the findings are not accurate, and another representative will be speaking about that. >> when do we anticipate the rebuttal? >> by next week. i do not have an exact date, and we are not claiming all of the findings are inaccurate, but we do have some information. >> we would love to have your response. >> just one correction, since the same comments were made last time about a reduction in pay. it would be replaced by an 1825 analysts and increase in pay of

$6,000. the real property officer -- they would be replaced by one position making $11,000 more to two positions making $3,000 less. it would not be cost savings. >> i am a union rep also. i did not expect to speak today. i do hope you set of demands for deeper analysis on this issue. it does seem like it is some work for the department, and everything my colleagues said is on point. i do not have specific information on the audit. we will do an analysis and submit our findings. i think they evolved as the

system they have and replace it with generalist's theories. i also want to mention there will be union issues, if this does come to pass. if that is part of the response, we see this as a disciplinary issue. i do not think the functions actually go away, so it seems a lot of the responsibilities were with the department. it does not make sense to eliminate people performing in the role, so just to give you warning that if they are eliminated, we will treat it has a form of extreme discipline. that is pretty much it.

>> i am hearing that there are capacity issues and reporting issues, made those comments -- so i made those comments to refer to the audit results that indicated things work being missed was confusing me with respect to the proposed reorganization, but i do believe we are talking about issues that are surrounding the chain of command, reporting, and capacity, especially since this is not one of those things which are cost savings things. >> next speaker please.

>> mr. randall. >> i am randall ramon. -- reynolds. we have worked closely with real estate services. real estate services have been a very professional group. they will work to communicate effectively. right away we would like to see

the puc with the existing staff. >> they have numerous i am uniquely qualified to give technical expertise to this table superior -- to this table.

it involved the purchase of property for the first expansion project, and the result is you ended up with $19 million sale of property, but most importantly the staff work really hard to determine the best pieces of property, so they are still making money. that gives an idea of what they are capable of in the future.

>> good afternoon. i am the manager and partner in south san francisco. and we are a small funeral home, and we are now on their superior -- now there. i am in a business deals with real customer service. we need to satisfy the customer, and by nature of the business we have to accomplish this by stressful situations. i find that astonishing our relationship with our families -- and establishing a relationship with our families help us gain the environment.

the people we have worked with have been overly professional, and i felt they all bent over backwards to make sure our business has not been deterred by construction. real estate people have been very good of making sure it is equitable for the commission and also understand it is valuable for us to be there. it is what i do for a living. i have been very concerned as to

what the thinking is. sometimes an audit is an opinion of how it works. in my business i find there is concern over the rope for -- concern that is going to be no more. take that into consideration to develop the report -- pp