something that has been systematically study, but i will tell you this. i think you are right in a sense. i think you can see this more thing where it has such imported that it begins to change the entire department. -- i think you can see this have such import where it is beginning to change the entire department. this comes from the team in the stages that we are at. the memphis area and a lot of the others, i think that the issue becomes you do not want to lose the ability to get the right person at the right time in the situation departed miggy overtime in an ideal world, we would be able to find it officers to be able to do that.

>> i think they need to go through the same cit training. they're going to come into contact with people who are mentally ill or very upset and angry, and in some instances, it is a matter that we could have slowed down. we could have taken our time, and i think this training would be applicable to that. yes, we still need the cit, but i am inclined to mandate that all of the officers go through that so we will get a better contact with the public. most of the people become into contact, there is an issue to be able to use verbals skills, that will save injuries as far as officers are concerned and others. >> korea -- commissioner hammer: the last thing that i want to echo, as somebody who spent time as a d.a., the system is broken,

and it is costing us a lot, and with the mental-health illness, it is costing us a lot. it is frustrating because it is a revolving door, and what l.a. does with their smart team, which is another great thing to learn about, is much more reactive -- is much more proactive before it gets to that point. then, we can really break the cycle radically, locking up folks when they are sick, frankly, so i think this is the first step, and korea a lot more to do. president mazzucco: -- and we need to do a lot more. president mazzucco: we are now at the time where we should go over this. i would suggest we implement the memphis model with reference to some particular issues, dealing

with recommendations with a general orders, 8.02, 6.14. we probably need a little more review on that, but i will wholeheartedly endorse adopting the memphis model and implementing it immediately, and setting it up for someone to start running at union -- unit and work with the community. commissioner chan? commissioner chan: i know there are a lot of issues, and there are some hot-button issues, and this is definitely one. i see the markings on your paper. we can certainly address them, and i am hoping, i am glad we had this discussion tonight. this is a detailed, there is so much to it, and i think what we are hearing tonight is that

every single piece in here is a road map, so when we talk about a coordinator, a planning person, a working group, it is a road map for this group to start working, and this last piece of it is an oversight, and we can see what is happening every month. i wrote down a six-month timeline, but we can make this a longer time line. i am willing to take the time tonight to work through this and finished it, and we are here. our calendars are fall, especially with this legislation. president bush -- our calendars are full. president mazzucco: commissioner slaughter? commissioner slaughter: i think we have a lot to do.

i have concerns of working through this detailed document. we got a revised copy just this afternoon, and i have concerns on some of the specific language, sorting paragraph by paragraph, but i have a larger concern about when we hear it dr. dupont talking about the need to be flexible as we need to be flexible to are certain circumstances and having the cit coordinator, trying to figure out how it will be best implemented for san francisco, i think we will never a broad agreement on, yes, we need to have cit, yes, we need to be a 40-hour trading. if you only have a certain percentage of officers trained -- so i think my preference would be to have a strong endorsement from the commission that this is, we are going to

implement a model. we are going to set a timetable to do it. we want reports back every month. who is the coordinator going to be? the leadership, and there are so many critical pieces, but leadership is absolutely critical, because if the department does not buy into it as much of speech -- as the community, it is not going to work, and i think there are lots of practical issues that we have to massage, but we have to preserve this in a way where it is right for san francisco. this leads me to sort of suggest that rather than adopt a specific resolution, we have a motion that just generally endorses the model, commences to implement it, and commence to bring it back as necessary. this commission would regularly, i agree, every month, we should very shortly know who that coordinator is going to be, and i agree with major cochrane that it has to be somebody in the department who has respect and leadership and who will buy

strongly in u.s. -- by strongly into it. -- buy strongly into it. i am concerned about us sitting up here going over the details when it is to be implanted in a way that is right for san francisco -- when it needs to be implemented in a way that is right for san francisco. president mazzucco: commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: i am not quite sure how much that in tax -- impacts the cit model that is being used in memphis and that corps model, so there are some

questions in my mind about that, -- in that core model. in terms of the specifics of the resolution, i understand a lot of it, i guess, originated from the occ. there are some time frames in it that impact the department. i would like to get some feedback from you all in terms of this resolution. >> commissioner, my suggestion would be to adopt this resolution, i will go and work on it for 30 days, and i will bring back the person who will be picked as the person who will run this. just give me 30 days to figure out what we need to do, and i

will have somebody appointed in the position, and we will be back in 30 days. i do not think that dissecting it tonight is the best. give it to me, and we will introduce it to you, and we will go line by line and kind of give you a time plan in reference to how many people it is going to take, etc. commissioner kingsley: thank you, chief? commissioner dejesus? commissioner dejesus: i have read this, and i agree it would be prudent to adopt the resolution, and the chief would report back to you within 30 days.

>> not to interrupt, but i think i heard the cheap say something different, which is to adopt an endorsement of it -- i heard the chief say something different. having a chance to review it in more detail. i do not want to -- >> yes, i basically said adopt the model, give it to me, let me figure out who will be the coordinator of it. adopt the resolution, yes. i am sorry. adopt that resolution, but as it stands tonight, there is going to have to be some tweaking and some things that have to be adjusted. just give me the ability to take it back, tweak it, make sure we can implement it with resources, and the timelines may need to be adjusted, but give it to me so we can start working on it. president mazzucco: commissioner

hammer? commissioner hammer: i support this. i have not done the research that commissioner chan has done on it, but i want to thank you, it director fixed -- thank you, director hicks. i will be the first to move to amend it, chief. we will work with you. you have worked tremendously, and this could have been a different approach. i think is good to have a working document, and to the extent that the cheap ones changes, i think we will be able to work with up -- that the chief wants changes. dgo's have been talked about,

and then months go by, so i think this will help him do his job, and then we can respond in 30 days to make changes. i would move that we adopt it tonight. commissioner chan: i would like to second that. president mazzucco: commissioner dejesus? commissioner dejesus: it has time lines, and to go forward, i would say to adopt it tonight, and i agree with the changes. if he comes back and says we have to tweak something, i am sure we will have to do that. anything to get it started. it is going to be a process, and it will be a long process. we owe it to san francisco and the officers to have something in place. president mazzucco: commissioner

chan? commissioner chan: i appreciate the conversation and all of the bridge -- verbiage on this. sometimes the stock things because we are busy, and there are a lot of priorities, obviously -- sometimes we stop things because we are busy. this is a complex model. it took dr. dupont and the major about 20 years, plus, and going on this model. there are a lot of pieces to it. if it were as simple as training, it would be a one- sentence resolution. there is a lot to it. it is not written so finite, it is not in four or five-page

document. again, the heart and soul is this -- it is not an four or five-page document. we will not know until it happens. and so, i want to push for that piece of it. regarding the dgo recommendation, height specifically put in the word " recommendation," and sometimes it takes four years to get this through. rather than sitting in we would do this, in a case where there should be a recommendation, so i appreciate this, in a timely way. so if there is any other question, i am happy to answer those questions, as a working on this document day and night.

president mazzucco: commissioner slaughter? commissioner slaughter: i certainly appreciate all of what has gone on. that is why i support the resolution. if we adopt this with the words that are here but with some expectation, and i would say more than an expectation that it be revised, as i said, it is not my preferred route. starting off with the first resolved clause that you talk about, being eligible for the note -- the cic, you have to have 40 hours, but i think an officer that has several years in the department and is elected, and then you start thinking about the training

peace, i think starting right off, that is focusing on the 40 hours, in my view is not the right focus, when you talk about who is going to be in cit, and then you go from things like that which i think our critical, and then sort of as i said, smaller issues. does a badge mean a separate star? or does it mean a pin, as they do in memphis? i do not know. and then going on to the dgo's. there might be revisions, there might not, so there are just a few issues that i saw right off of the bout, so i am nervous about adopting something that may or may not ever get changed over time, yet could comebacker -- could come back to be a big issue, for a resolution that is as significant and important as this one, on an issue as

significant and important as this one, i would hope that we would have more than one day to consider the text, the first presentation. i think it is important that we take action tonight to endorse the model, or that it be the policy of the department and that it be implemented, but i would hope that we would have time to work through with the chie'f's suggestions. i think it is an incredible work, but i think it can be improved upon. president mazzucco: commissioner kingsley? the commissioner wrote -- commissioner kingsley: taking into consideration what has been said, including from commissioners mazzucco and

slaughter, could i suggest that a date that is 30 days from today, could we add another resolution to this? can we put in writing our commitment to revisit the specific language on a particular date? this is basically a road map to begin, with the understanding we will have 30 days, all of us, to digest it and revisit it on this particular date? commissioner chan: sure, i can answer that. i really like that the chief is committed to doing this and coming back in 30 days. that makes sense, and we can even add in the additional language, but it was predicted

that we would want to come back. commissioner hammer: i have a friendly amendment. president mazzucco: sure. commissioner hammer: the scenes like unnecessary pressure, so i would supportth -- e chief will come back in 30 days, at which point the commission will consider those and their own recommendations at that time. hopefully, that addresses everybody's concerns. i do not want to get lost in this. it is a small item, but it is an important one, what commissioner slaughter brought up, and commissioner mazzucco and i have talked about this, the designee -- a task force for identifying

and addressing the mental health impact of officer-involved shootings or other uses of force on members of the department, and for ensuring appropriate services for the offices are provided. our officers suffer. there have been some in the recent past, and i think it is a commitment for all of us that -- so that is part of this resolution. president mazzucco: thank you. commissioners, we have an amended from commissioner hammer, with concerns the chief would have and maybe the city attorney would have. those would be my concerns at this point, so i would move to accept commissioner chan's resolution with the amendment made by commissioner hammer.

secretary: all in favor? to adopt the resolution and amend it and come back in 30 days? ok, that is the motion. commissioner mazzucco and commissioner kingsley seconded that. a roll-call vote. commissioner marshall? commissioner marshall: maybe i am privy to information that others do not have. that is what i want a roll-call vote korea with the officer- involved shootings, we are focusing on the mental health -- a roll-call vote. with the officer-involved shootings, we are focusing on

the mental health. the confines of the area, the space, the actions of knife- wielding person, the split- second that they had to make the decision, the use of less lethal force, i would feel much better about this, a protocol that would be established when the officer has to do with that situation. quite frankly, and this is probably out of the scope of this, we had taken an incident that had actually happened, and you could have said to me, under this new system that we're going to employ, the officer would never have been placed in that situation. someone else would have been called. this would not have happened. i like the model. it just does not go far enough to me. what i hope goes forward is something that we can take to

the officers when in a real-time situation -- i mean, i understand the spirit. i understand trading. i like the nice words. it is just not enough for me -- i understand the training. this is the protocol but the public will know, because these debts would have never occurred under these circumstances with this. that is what i want. yes. secretary: commissioner dejesus? commissioner dejesus: i am really impressed with this. i think we owe it to them to give them the training, and we need to do it now. secretary: -- >> with an acknowledgement, this is not going to stop every

shooting, but it is my belief, with every belief in my heart and my hands, this will reduce injuries to cops. it will reduce the use of force on mentally ill folks. secretary: commissioner angela chan? commissioner chan: i support this, and when to applaud them out. -- and i want to applaud them. they're going back to north carolina at 6:00 a.m. [applause] : terry -- secretary: commissioner carol kingsley? commissioner kingsley: aye.

secretary: commissioner slaughter? commissioner slaughter: aye. secretary: it passes. president mazzucco: congratulations. just so everyone knows, as this clears, we will go into closed session.

president mazzucco: lieutenant, could you please call line item number seven? secretary: the meeting is still in session. item number 7 is pertaining to comment on a closed session,

including public comment on whether to hold item nine in closed session. president mazzucco: item number 8? all in favor? ladies and gentlemen, we are now moving to close session to handle some disciplinary matters. secretary: item number 10 is about whether or not to disclose item number nine. president mazzucco: any?

hearing none. line item one. secretary: the approval of the minutes. president mazzucco: a motion? a second? public comment? line item number two, please. secretary: the rent-free use of the facilities for the community events related to the chief of police selection process, from the following organizations, including the lgbt community center, and the southeast facility. president mazzucco: any comment from commissioners? the irish cultural center is $900? ok.

commissioner kingsley: location, location, location. president mazzucco: all in favor? line item number three, please. secretary: 9 item number three is general public comment? president -- line item number three is general public comment. president mazzucco: seeing none -- >> i have waited for years to a public comment, but -- secretary: a review of recent activities. chief: