we would have to set out in dgos how officers were to use them. otherwise, there is nothing controlling their use. commissioner chan: huddling know that the pilot becomes automatically a thing? commissioner hammer: it is a pilot program that would be provided in the dgo. to be clear, what the motion is -- at the end of the time proposed, no further deployment would happen unless the commission votes on it after reviewing it and decides whether it goes through. the commission would have to vote to pass the pilot program for anything else to be deployed after that. commissioner chan: i thought you were coming back to talk about what weapon you were going to use. commissioner hammer: this

commission has to vote in 90 days whether or not to deploy any other weapon based on the recommendation. president mazzucco: we have a motion and a second. vice president marshall: i will second. >> the roll call vote on the motion. president mazzucco: aye. vice president marshall: aye. commissioner dejesus: no. commissioner hammer: aye. commissioner chan: very hard decision. i did not calculate this whole dgo discussion. i understand it is researching all less lethal devices and coming back in 90 days. but i do not -- i am concerned about the changes to the dgo. commissioner hammer: if you're to go out and research a device and go out, and to improve that device, dgo would have to be

changed. no matter what we bring back to the table, there would be and altering to the dgo. the policy would not change until we came back to the commission with our plan of attack. it is a matter of semantics. it will have to be changed if we come up with some other type of less lethal use of force. even if you were to approve it yourself, we would have to change the dgo to conform to the device. that would not be done until after the fact. commissioner kingsley: but then it gets changed back if after six months of the pilot program it does not work? chief godown: correct. commissioner kingsley: if at the end of the six month pilot we were to decide this does not work, the dgo would revert to the original language. commissioner chan: i did not hear that. commissioner hammer: that is definitely the intent of the

motion. commissioner kingsley: it would have to be. chief godown: the officers need something to rely upon, whether it goes with the program are moved back from it. there would need the use of these guidelines. if it helps to clarify, i do not know procedurally if the intent of the motion is clear -- if at the end of the pilot program, the commission would have to vote whether to extend it, altered, or expand it. without another vote after the pilot program, nothing happened after that. if the commission were to decide the pilot was a failure and cancel the program, the dgo would revert. that is the clear intent of this motion. commissioner chan: come back to me, please. commissioner kingsley: aye. commissioner slaughter: aye.

commissioner chan: we are back to me. this is very hard. through changing of dgos, it would come back. if you do not accept the cit recommendation, can there be something in there to make it clear we would like cit implemented? i am worried about a pilot program getting started before cit. president mazzucco: let me try to clarify my intention. if in 90 days we were to come back, how long would it take the department to fire those weapons? chief godown: the ceds? that is something i have to look into. i need to actually research stuff. i am committed to the program. the department is committed. that has nothing to do with the dgo. if we do a pilot program and six

months down the road the commission says no more ceds, it does not matter what the dgo says. i cannot use them anymore. commissioner chan: if you have a pilot program of them running and cit takes longer, and it is not up and running, but the pilot is up and running in whatever district and someone is mentally ill -- a worry about that. commissioner hammer: my clear intent in the motion is that no officer is provided -- i think commissioner slaughter has in mind that no officer in this program, has not received the training in this program. this is somebody without a discipline record. but also recommend the motion we pass -- i would encourage the

department to deploy it within six months. 90 days from now, with monthly reporting to the commission -- what we passed unanimously is that this be deployed within 5.5 months. commissioner chan: so if we come back in 90 days and cit is not doing well, that is something we can bring up. president mazzucco: that would play huge in my vote. i think that is the first party. commissioner chan: ok. one more, if i can ask the chief. and what to make sure to recognize the concerns of the community. if we come back in 90 days and do not have folks trained yet,

do not have dispatched trained yet, would you still move forward with recommending a pilot program? chief godown: my commitment to you is the cit program. i have said that from day one. i am not going to slow down on that program and speed up the ced program. that is my commitment to you. we might come back and say 90 days is not enough and ask for more time. hypothetically, that could happen. we will work diligently on the cit program. i will not slow up on the process thinking i am trying to implement ced. commissioner chan: the keeper that. if we come back in 90 days and there are problems with cit, would you consider that in your recommendations? chief godown: i promise.

but we are not good to be ready to roll out in 90 days. we are not ready to roll out a pilot program. you have my commitment. we will sit down if we get to that point and there is a hiccup and we need to invest more time and effort. this is not a race for me to implement a less lethal weapon in this department before cit is up and running. commissioner chan: with that, because the room was open to broadening the question to fall less lethal weapons, because you are open to expanding the -- extending the time line to 90 days and getting community input, and because the chief said he would consider whether or not cit would be up and running, i will go ahead and vote yes. >> the motion carries 6-1.

president mazzucco: ok. six hours. vice president marshall: it only took six hours. president mazzucco: we have one quick thing we have to go into closed session about. can we just go into -- moved into the closed session? >> i cannot hear you. i am sorry. president mazzucco: we are going to take a five minute

. we are back on, ladies and gentleman. we are going to closed session. we have matters regarding our personal selection process. if you can call the appropriate line item? >> line item 9, public comment before a closed session, public employee appointment, including comment on whether to hold item 11 in closed session. president mazzucco: hearing none.

president mazzucco: we are back in session. >> item 12 is about to elect whether to disclose any of our all? vice president marshall: move nondisclosure. president mazzucco: at this point, given the long evening, a vote to eliminate the remainder of the agenda. any objections? all in favor? pull the last item. >> adjournment. vice president marshall: second, third, fourth, and fifth. president mazzucco: think to everybody. -- thank you,j3ñi everybody.

>> tuesday, his february 26, 2007, meeting. please call the roll. clerk: [reading roll] commissioners joseph and benetti

are absent tonight. president newlin: public comment. item number one. members of the public may address the commission on items of interest to the public battle within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission. with respect to the agenda items, members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes at the time such item is called. is there any public comment? seeing none, we will go to item number two. review and approve the minutes of february 8, so i believe we can now do that. no, we cannot. commissioner meko: i move to note continue that.

clerk: same house, same call. president bunewlin: i number three, et your title is now executive/legislative policy updates. >> no. good evening, commissioners. sorry you are late. i wanted to make sure we were being recorded. so i do not have anything to report in terms of legislation. there is, as you know, the board is getting their sea legs, so there will be more as we go forward, and we will keep you informed. i wanted to update you on our summit. with the help of commissioners meko and perez, we have this set

up. there is a flyer that commissioner perez put together, and it looks very good. we will work with the panel members, and its commissioner -- commissioner meko will help us with that, as well, and it is from about 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m., and we are working with the sfpuc and the commander, who is our entertainment liaison, as well as inspector falzon. that is a good thing, and the neighborhood in power of network will co-presenter with us to make sure we have good participation with the neighbors

who are involved with not like in any capacity. i wanted to refer, and at the end of the report, he will tell us about the entertainment liaison in training. i know that inspector falzon was here previously, talking about how they set up watches to make sure that they are aware of alcohol beverage control and how they are implemented in san francisco, as well as what we do, a little song and dance about the entertainment commission, and what they need when they are out in the st..

again, when i am done, i will have that person talk to you about what is on the docket. i would like to tell you guys about anything that is out of the ordinary that i get to do as director, so this month, i was asked to represent the commission as a chinese new year judge. that was fun for me. it was really cold and wet, and yet, it was so fun. we were in good company. the mayor was there, the grand marshal, the head of the recreation and parks department, the city administrator. we had a good cross-section of bureaucrats up their -- there. next month, i will be attending gay bar conference that takes place in vegas march 779, primarily to attend the

sessions with the customer service and liability. they are trying to beef up the part of the conference that is not about what your next promotion should be about how to operate within the kind of milieu we deal with, so i think that will be a good experience. when i come back from that, i will let you know what i learned. the joint hearing with the youth commission lives on, as they came before you, as you might know, and asked for a joint hearing, so we have schedule that for march 22, which is literally one month from today. it will be at 7:30 in this room. a regular meeting will be held at the regular time. we have the permits out for the regular business, and hopefully,

we will be able to do the regular business in approximately one hour, and we will hold a special order, if you will, and it will be around at 7:30 tie. we will do it in this room. we will ask you to shove over and make some room for some news commissioners on that day, and if any members need to leave for any particular reason, that is quite all right. it is not a mandatory meeting at all. i. attached an email that i received. regarding content, if you will. this is for reference. if you want to take a look at that earlier. the focus of that meeting is going to be that bill that fiona ma has introduced but has not moved on, so, obviously, we will be agendizing a more in-depth

item, but if you are curious about what the content is, take a look at what is attached. i wanted to go ahead and start looking way into the future about our next industries summit, so, again, in april, we are hopeful to do what i think is our fourth industries summit in may, before memorial day, so any input from the commission for time frames in made at work or do not work for in the commissioner's better interested in being involved re-deposited in may that work or do not work -- time frames in may that work or do not work for the commissioner that are interested in being involved.

rincon, in response to continue to permit violations, this one on 16th street, there was another seven-day suspension. more like a five-day suspension, beginning february 18, through february 24. mr. granelli and i spent some time working through things. we are hopeful that this time around, maybe they will understand what it means to be in compliance with their permit conditions. so, everybody, cross your fingers. and lastly, there are two appeals still pending. 181 eddy was issued a suspension

last year, but the party exercised their right to appeal, and the appeal was initially scheduled in january. however, as you may recall, we did a bunch of corrective actions, and that venue is closed at this time and remains closed. that liquor license is no longer on the premises, and the appellants have asked that the appeal be put on hold indefinitely, and staff has no objection as long as there is notice if there are attempts to reopen anytime. there is no liquor license, but there is, assuming they have paid, and they have a representative here, for their licenses, their entertainment licenses are still intact, so it is important obviously that we are noticed and come to some agreement, but i do not believe,

and the commissioners can certainly ask what their intentions are, and, lastly, at van ness, where it was problematic for some time, this is also one of those where this commission has ordered a new set of conditions placed on their permit in december, and then, an appeal was filed with the board of appeals, and in the meantime of these actions, the appellant requested a continuance to allow for the transfer to a new owner. the city in all of its forms was anxious to actually see a new owner at this location, so at this time, a liquor license transfer has had their conditions signs. a new application for a place of entertainment was submitted and posted for your march 8 hearing.

staff met with two concerned neighbors about two weeks ago and agreed to be present for a meeting at the venue before the hearing date to address additional neighbors' concerns, so i think those are two good outcomes too problematic venues, and that concludes my report. mr. granelli, are you awake? >> commissioners, very quickly. to go through the binders, polk street was issued in notice for violation of sound and good neighbor policy. on a positive note, director caen and i will be meeting with the owners tomorrow. the alu meeting that is going on

just as the director described, what they are doing is they're bringing them in in the night shifts, and we have about a 3.5 hour training, and they are giving them a crash course in abc law and entertainment law. we have a small part of that, where we explain. about the officers there, what the e.c. is, and more importantly, when they do run across these incidences, what we need. so far, the first one was last but we -- last week, and we had great attendance, not only on the night shift but some swing shift officers there, as well, which we are hoping to have again tomorrow night. the training went very well. we will be doing these every wednesday for a few weeks.

just as the director said, el rincon did not appeal the suspension. obviously, we had problems with them. myself and crystal have been working to create new forms was the e.c. there are certain things that we need if someone wants to appeal, such as a hardship waiver, the three of us have been working on that. lastly, the party bosses. i know we have not talked about that for quite awhile, but i thought it was important that over the last few weeks, i have noticed a big jump, at one point, down on aid and folsom, and at one time, i counted six, all parked.

with their participants or patrons, riders, whatever you want to call them around that area. there is also someone inside the party bus. so these party buses continue to be a major problem. again, there is a very high volume of consumption of alcohol, both on the bus, usually before the patrons get on the bus, and then as they hit each venue. for the new commissioners, this has been a problem for us for about the last two years. what we're seeing is these buses coming to different locations, and the patrons on the bus are already really, and they are getting more drinks when they get off of the bus, and often of

venue or club will not let them in because they are so drunk that it causes them problems. some, without the party bosses, they would not any business at all. i do not understand why we have seen a jump in the business, but we are. we are seeing more and more and more. at the end of last year, the last few months, we saw them dry out a little bit. we did not see as many out there. the buses we saw were from legitimate companies. now, i am seymour, et from legitimate buses to what looks light coat old airport trucks that have been spray-painted, and they are driving people around. i talked to the alu unit and the sfpd, and they were trying to seeing who has jurisdiction and how we can manage this

situation. i will keep you guys, the commission informs " but i am not quite sure where this will take us. moving on, you will see we are still looking into complaints we have gotten from a couple others. in japan tel, there was a new karaoke bar. it was basically an old carry a keyboard that changed ownership. we did a little bit of education, -- it was an old karaoke bar. and last, the only incident we have the we have not gotten a police report on yet was an assault and stabbing in the mission area, and the interesting thing is that at this time, one, we are not sure abou