the state budget, let's engage in the state budget. let's not just do the simple piece. so i'll be voting against this one and i'll be voting against all the others that come down the line unless they're a complete piece, and this to me is incomplete. president chiu: supervisor chu? supervisor chu: thank you, president chu. thank you to the sponsor for bringing this item forward. i did have a conversation with laurel about this item. i do not plan to support the resolution, but i do want to explain why. i think that none of us here would like to see any of the proposition 10 reserves being taken away. clearly for us it's a matter of being able to fund future budgets. one thing i do want to point out is that first five in one way really has been responsible in keeping some levels of reserve in anticipation of future revenue losses. i want to say that that's something that is commendable, it's something that we could look to doing in terms of the city and being responsible about our reserves as well. but the reason why i won't be supporting this is because the same as we're asking all of our city departments to really take

a look at the tradeoffs and to provide some level of help and support to make some levels of cuts that would be possible to make without drastuckly changing things in some departments, we might need to get a decision point to be made. i think that we've got to be responsible with this item as well. we're seeing no cuts at all. but if we are able to provide even a little bit of help to help prevent or forestall cuts in other areas, that might be priorities for the community. so that's the reason why i'm voting against this, just as we would ask our departments to all pitch in and help, i would hope that we would do that the same way at the state level. president chiu: thank you. roll call vote on this item, please. >> on item 52, as amended -- [roll call]

>> there are six ayes and five no's. president chiu: this resolution is adopted. given that this measure would have taken eight votes to pass, the resolution is not adopted. supervisor elsbernd? supervisor elsbernd: so supervisor mar can still pass his resolution, i move to rescind the vote and then move to send the item to committee. >> second. president chiu: seconded by supervisor mirkarimi. if we can take that without objection, the vote has been rescinded and supervisor mar, i understand -- supervisor mar

will make a motion to send this item to committee. seconded by supervisor mirkarimi. and if we could do that without objection, this item will be sent to committee. item 53. >> item 53 is a resolution urging the california state legislature and the governor to enact sb-223 to allow the board of supervisors to ask voters to consider restoring its vehicle license fee for the 1948-1998 level giving vote erts the opportunity to preserve local services, public transportation, and critical programs. president chiu: this concerns the vehicle license fee, which i think many of you know was in place 50 years until governor schwarzenegger rolled it back when he took office in 2003. that rollback has cost our state about $6 billion a year, or the equivalent of around $50 million a year to san francisco. at this time, senator mark leno has introduced legislation so

turn back what governor schwarzenegger did, and we are hopeful that governor brown will agree to allow localities to determine whether we want to be able to collect the vehicle license fee. i want to thank the wide spectrum of co-sponsors that we have for this measure that i think reflects the full diversity of this board, assuming that this change is able to happen up in sacramento, i think here in san francisco their support from the business community, from the labor community, and really the entire political spectrum here in san francisco, that if we were to collect the fee that had been in place for 50 years, we would have an additional $50 million for transit activities and all of the other activities that our city government is involved in. so i would urge you to support this resolution and hopefully sacramento will do the right thing. supervisor elsbernd: can we have a roll call? [roll call]

>> there are 11 ayes. president chiu: this resolution is adopted. madam clerk, could you read the in memoriams today? >> today's meeting will be adjourned in memory of the following individuals. for the late mr. lawrence, joseph chucky armstrong. president chiu: madam clerk, is there any more business in front of this body? >> that concludes our business today, mr. president. president chiu: ladies and gentlemen, we are adjourned.

commissioner campos: good morning and welcome to the february 8, 2011 meeting of the san francisco county transportation authority plans and programs committee. my name is david campos, the chair of the committee. i am joined by committee vice chair commissioner carmen chu as well as committee member scott wiener. commissioners john avalos, david chiu are in route. the clerk of the committee is erica chang.

covering the meeting for sfgtv r charles and mark. please call item 2. >> item 2. approve the minutes of the january 11, 2011 meeting. this is an action item. commissioner campos: colleagues, we have the meeting before you. any comments or changes to the minute meetings? is there anyone from the public that would like to comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. can we have a motion on that item? motion by commissioner wiener, seconded by commissioner chu. we can take that without objection. we have been joined by commissioner david chiu. madam court, please call item 3. >> item 3. citizens advisory committee report. this is an information item. commissioner campos: we have glenn davis of the citizens advisory committee reporting to us. >> good morning, commissioners.

two action items on your agenda this morning that appeared on our agenda. those are items 6 and item seven. both items were passed unanimously at the committee level. regarding item 6, discussion centered around what measures are used to decide where curb bulb out to go, and where they are most needed. the discussion centered around the risk management plan and also with the altered political climate in the nation's capital, how that would affect the progress. it was a brief meeting those are the items before you today. i can take any questions. commissioner campos: any questions of the citizens advisory committee?

no questions, thank you very much. is there anyone from the public that would like to comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. this is an informational item. madam court, please call item four. >> item 4. recommend appointment of two members to the citizens advisory committee. this is an action item. commissioner campos: good morning. >> good morning, mr. chair, committee members. we have two recommendations for appointments for the citizens advisory committee for you today. the authority has 11 member citizen indicted three committees. each member serves a two-year term. the plans and programs committee recommends and the committee appoints members. existing members, nor staff make recommendations for appointment. we also have to the

administrative code rules that can include representatives of various communities, including labor, business, disabled community, various neighborhoods. a priority has been made by this board to have representation from each to purgatorial district. to qualify, a person must be a san francisco resident and must speak once before the committee on their interest to serve on the committee. as i said, we have two vacancies. the first is the term expiration of wendy tran from district 3. she is here to see reply to the committee. second is the resignation of jul lynn parson from district 6. she were elected outside of san francisco. we are currently working with

commissioner kim's office to find another person to a point. for your information, on page 27 of your packet, a list of existing committee members and their affiliations. with that, i can take any questions. commissioner campos: colleague, any questions? why don't we hear from ms tr. t. >> good morning, commissioners. wendy tran. i am here today seeking reappointment as a member of the citizens advisory committee. in the last three terms i have gained a lot of knowledge about the public transit system. i am excited about the deal drive project. i look forward to hearing more about ideas about that. -- doyle drive project. i hope that you can applaud me

for another term. commissioner campos: questions or comments? is there anyone from the public that would like to comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner david chiu. commissioner chiu: thank you. with regard to the plug in my district, i would be happy to reappoint wendy tran. before becoming a member of the cac, she was involved in a variety of different constituencies, in particular, regarding chinese communities. she has kept many of us informed about the work they're doing. she is also someone that i run into on muni from time to time, so she is definitely riding the ride. commissioner campos: we have a motion from david chiu. seconded by commissioner avalos. can we take that without

objection? thank you. congratulations and thank you for your service. with respect to the district 6 representative, we will see that item at a future meeting. please call item five. >> item 5. report by the san francisco municipal transportation agency on 14-mission switchbacks and the potential extension of the 14-mission muni line to the daly city bart station. this is an information item. commissioner campos: do we have a report from staff? commissioner avalos. commissioner avalos: colleagues, this is an item that i called for. in the past couple of years, i have been in discussion with the mta to extend the 14 line all the way through the daly city bart and using that as a mode where transportation for people who are on the southern side of geneva.

if those folks wanted to take of 14 and transfer at geneva to balboa park, that process can take a number of minutes, potentially 45 minutes. add that to your train ride downtown, and it is about one hour. if we were to extend the 49 to daly city bart, we could make a better connection for people going straight to the bart station and then downtown, reducing the time to about 25 minutes. with the changes being presented by the mta, particularly in the park merced, the m line, this could turn out to be a much larger transit hub then and is currently. it would make sense to provide this service who are more on the southern part of san francisco, who i represent. i appreciate the work that the mta has done so far on this,

transportation authority, jose moscovich is here to speak about it. i know there is a long way to go, but we had a commitment from mta last year that this would be something they would do. jose moscovich? >> we have a presentation from mta today. john haley is in charge of operations. perhaps he could speak about the issue of switchbacks. i would invite mr. haley to the podium. commissioner avalos: a key part of looking at the 14th line is how often these switchbacks happen. certainly, there is an issue that we have heard already, in city operations, our light rail vehicles, switchbacks happen the further you get away from the

core downtown. this does happen on the 14 line. i understand the reality of managing these lines in the most congested part of the cities and impacts to people in my district are there. but also knowing that we are going to look at the extension of a 14 line, we want to be able to tackle this switch back issue. mr. haley, thank you for being here. >> thank you, supervisor avalos. mr. chairman, if i may, i prepared a brief overview of the issue on the 14 line, and i will address switchbacks. i will go through this for the quickly. it is not my intention to read this, but as all of you know,

the 14 mission line is one of our busiest come the third busiest in our corridor. 110,000 trips a year on the line. long line in terms of length of service, about 8 miles long. the average speed is just below what the system averages, just under 70 miles an hour -- 7 miles per hour. despite the difference in service, it is operated with polboth trackless and motor. in is a line rich with ridership and service, and also, we manage it aggressively to stay on time. some of the characteristics for

us, challenges to the mission line, congestion along the corridor, double parking, those sorts of things. the other thing affecting the time, because of the ridership, we use 60-foot motor coaches, trackless. those are the oldest part of our fleet, the least reliable. with the help of the board of supervisors, one of the things we are doing -- and we are in the middle -- is a program to rebuild some systems and components on those vehicles. the reliability of that fleet is a challenge. so with that, sthose are some of the things we focus on a day-to- day basis. the next thing is just to show

you the support from ridership. there are various locations which are really important. what are we doing right now to manage service and keep it on time as best we can? with the amount of the locals, expresses on this line, we want to make sure that we are consistent, that people are waiting and even the amount of time in between the vehicles. we try to keep the interpol's balanced -- intervals balanced. some of the tactics used, and this goes to the discussion on switchbacks. one thing that we do on the 14 mission is we trade operators. if someone is more than 15 minutes late, we send the

operator on to another vehicle so that it can go on time in the other direction. that is one thing we do. another thing we do on the 14 mission is we monitor misruns. part of this managing consistency is the time between the intervals. but, for example, we may have some light cars coming in. we send them back out into the mission. we make sure that we can bill as much of the work as possible. systemwide, we put out between 1112 hundred runs a day. typically, -- we tried to take these other actions to mitigate.

finally, the topic of switchbacks. we do do switchbacks. with a trolley line, obviously, it requires infrastructure to make a switch back. this is a listing of locations where we have the infrastructure that allows us to use this technique, if necessary, from a service management standpoint. one of the things we talked about, under what conditions, how do you switch back? our policy is on the trackless side, but very much the same on the rail side, we give notifications as soon as possible, we make an adjustment. we have to make sure a vehicle is no more than five minutes

behind. in this case, we have to watch our vehicles closely because we want to make sure that the vehicle behind it can accommodate the people that are being switched back. in terms of the 14 mission, -- and one of the things that i have tried to do in this issue -- you made a request about going back on the rail side. there is not much historic data available. much of the information was handwritten. we went through some of the material that i could find, but at this point, with the changes we have made over the last several months, i am in a position to identify on a light rail side, when we can make switchbacks, when we can address the issue. you have addressed the condition of which packs. are we making announcements?

those kinds of things. in january, on the mission, we made 137 switchbacks, more of them in the outbound direction. february, so far, 34. the path, to a great extent, would look like the pattern on the light rail lines, following the same principles and procedures. in this particular case, we make sure we try to, where possible, follow the policy we have laid out and make sure we enforce it. commissioner campos: commissioner carmen chu. commissioner chu: the switch back data, is that for a particular line or overall? >> this is just in january before the 14 mission. if i may, since you asked, there

were 203 switchbacks in january on the light rail lines. as soon as the letter is signed off, i will be sending you a report on one of the things that we committed to do in the package that we forwarded to you. a report of switchbacks by line, where they occurred, the time, and whether or not there was a vehicle within five minutes behind that to accommodate passengers who were being switched back. january is done and i will be forwarding it to you this week. >> and that is -- commissioner campos: that is for all the light rail lines? >> yes, correct. >> yes, correct. the distribution is in the