proof and remove this from the agenda until there is proof. if there is no proof of a larger number, thank you. >> i hate to disagree with my neighbors. a lot of them seemed to be under the misconception about parking. there are many streets that do not have a parking. and people that live there do not want parking and. -- not want parking. they will get a prompt response,

and if they are not moved, they will be towed away. they never come back. they realize they are not welcome. and ask people to look at the numbers here. as opposed to permit parking, the great majority of people on this block agree with that. please take a look at the numbers and make a democratic decision. >> can you tell us how this works? people have to do a petition, right?

>> good afternoon, mr. chairman, members of the board. this is the area, one of the largest permit parking areas in the city. the majority of the residents who spoke are correct. they are surrounded by parking in the general neighborhood. it is in the process of containing permit parking. others have already approached us that they are interested in permit parking. the contribution to the residents working on this lot are mainly out of towners. and also transit riders as well as residents that don't have a

permit parking. you can see it is pretty steep. one of the steepest streets. lastly, this is what he was referring to. the original petition included the 16 out of 26 households, which is 62%. this applied a counter petition included in which two of them that originally wanted to support permit parking. they also submitted the name of

an additional resident who allegedly changed his mind to not support any war. the resident has since supplied a recommendation. the other box nearby, it will be a little enclave. >> what is the reason that they don't want it? they not want to pay the $96? >> i don't know the reason. i can't speak for him. i think it is set up so that even if it is in the permit

area, they are not obliged to buy a permit. >> i am prepared to move the item. >> all in favor? next item? >> that concludes 10.2x. moving to 10.9. it modifies the motor vehicle for higher and increases certain penalties. certain structures, it provides a description of each violation. director nolan: mr. toronto? >> good afternoon. look at the name at the end of

the item. all the money from the cab drivers, what do we do with it? my point is that it would be good to the how much the fines are. why are you doing this? why is it not a progressive penalty structure? it is important to have reasons for that. how will this be advertised before hand so that before you violate these, you know what you are in for. i believe that they are increasing certain penalties. we should know those before they get fined. it is important that there is some type of book? for release going out that is available to the cabdrivers. you know how arduous it is to

find a lot of items on your web site. it is important to at least advertise or announce what we are in for. i think it is important that this should be further discussion. i will and my comments now even though the clock did not run. >> mr. chairman, because it has been repeated numerous times, i wanted to make sure we get the correct information out there. they are managing the taxi services area. deborah johnson will be primarily focused as the head of administration primarily focused on contract negotiations.

we are just trying to balance the monthly executive team. >> i am not nuts about the progressive penalty structure, but the main thrust of this is that it is getting a administrative penalties for people acting as if cabs were not cabs. the more money you take out of the people pretending to be cabdrivers, the less money i hope you will be taking out of my wallet. >> this is a critical part of an overall effort to reform and clarify what is going on in the taxi industry.

we'll be talking about taxes and potential ways to address customer needs. it is only fair if we are going to be doing that, that sort of thing that we have to oblige to enforce the permit system. i give great compliments for them doing this. it is something we have been talking about since they worked out commissioners. -- were cab commissioners. director nolan: all in favor? >> moving on to the regular agenda, requesting that the taxi a advisory council prepare a proposal for a pilot program to supplement the available taxis. for possible and implementation. yet members of the public that wish to address you.

director nolan: let's hear from the public. >> those of the last people that turned in speaker courage regarding this matter. >> but is good to use political process to solve our merchant frustrations. with the current designation of drivers as independent contractors, they are among the businessmen that you called upon to help. it is within the purview of good business operations. issue a medallions is a way to create a design medallions without reference to the business situation. they create rather than litigate merchant frustration. the relationship between profit and demand changes regularly.

for example, and the farm industry, it is a manual. if there are ever times to favor the consumer, in the cab industry, the pendulum swings are great. you're taking away driver's profits. this is a reference -- perhaps you're not aware how we make ends meet. we understand that they will have to work weekends and nights. not only are you destroying the industry at large, you're certainly being very

shortsighted. these drivers -- [chime] i have written on this item. >> [reading names] >> afternoon. i support you sending this discussion. i am not going to address the actual proposal here, because you're not deciding on a thing today. it has to do with customer service.

the issue is this. if you pay cab drivers more money, better service. you get what you pay for. we need drivers to be able to have a nicer vehicle. they also need to have incentive. the increase with a surcharge, i promise you, you can still a surcharge on radio orders, service will increase. manyfold. there has not been a liter increase in the years. and looking at these other vehicles, taking over cab service is because people are willing to pay more money for this service.

he did drivers, they are not going to go to orders because they have wasted their time. i am telling you, you want to get drivers to provide better service. you need to compensate them for the time where they wasted their time. in their energy in their gas. siam asking you, part of the process is to examine the prospect of increasing the amount that people have to pay for taxis hankie. -- taxis. thank you. director nolan: mr. snyder? >> i also agree it is good the look into this and prepare a proposal. i like to discuss a little bit

of the parameters involved in the real world situation. who is going get the medallions? the way it works right now, we have an economic issue going on in the cab industry where a portion of the drive for's fees get kicked up. a portion of the fee goes to the cab company. who will be reading those benefits? of the drivers be getting anything out of it? i have appeared before you a number of times before. they are committed to

improvement of the service. i was at a meeting with bevin dufty years ago. he said it was a no-brainer. centralize dispatch. guess what has happened? we still don't have centralized gps. they can get the nearest available cabinet that is what they want. under the california constitution, taxicab honors and drivers are public utilities. that is case law. i want to keep that in mind. [chime] the times where it is really

bad, how are you going to handle that. >> [reading names] >> i think on the whole, it is a pretty good idea. you have such a wide discrepancy of businesses. it is not likely york city that goes all the time. i think it would be done in the overall contact. there is a necessity here. i think it will be done in connection with that. who gets medallions? that is an important question.

since it is primarily management, i guess if it should go to the company's harrison director nolan:-- companies. director nolan: next speaker? >> i would recommend support of this resolution for the council to look at the issue. obviously, there are different levels of service needs. it is a very complex thing to deal with. the model that is in your document, i think it will work. i will give you a heads up when it comes back to you. and there might be additional coverage on the moderately busy

times. it will give a chance to engineer the retirement package. that is more of the moneymaker. these are not mutually exclusive. this is all a question of whether it is economically viable. this will be very interesting. on the bottom of page 3, the recommendation is very complex and they wrestle with trying to get the proper number on the road. a think the system will help with that. we don't need an rfp for the review.

unfortunately, total discretion was given. when you set up a meter, it should be a second item to consider putting in the transportation co with a percentage of being guaranteed. a i am a cabdriver. a lot of tourists are upset about the city because they could not get a cat. we are busy in this town. we have to major conventions, a lot of tourists. they could not get a cab. it included a lot of local

people. they could not get the job. that is a very good solution for our city. it is better than the medallion on the street. this should be a follow-up. they have 30,000 taxis running. it is only one signature. some are running 24 hours. and we have a lot of taxi drivers that could not make money. wire of the limousines going around the city all the time? they mean nothing to you.

they make a lot of money. you turn on the street like, you hire a police. you don't make nothing. you can make the revenues the same that cabdriver can get. >> those are the last people we have received speaker cards for. >> back in 1998, i filed an appeal for adding more peak time taxis because there was no definition of that. one of the three conditions was to define taxis before adding more taxis. if you go back in the record, you should find that somewhere. i have yet to find that.

if you could find that, that would be great. it would be six in the morning to night in the morning and from 4:00 in the afternoon to 7:00 in the evening. it is not viable. they were on the taxi commission, they wanted to add peak time taxis. i guess that was the problem because you talked about in that is what you will do this time because it is unworkable for the drivers. you have tunnel vision and the golden goose at the end of that tunnel. we're thinking about money, not service. what are we going to solve? rush-hour problems which one is it?

i love lawyers talked. it doesn't really say anything, but it sounds really good. how many should we take away when there is too many? when you add more cabs, you raise the meter and it nullifies any increase in that and come. it keeps them stagnant. that was the last time the meter was raised. [chime] director nolan: next speaker. >> good afternoon, directors. i don't have concerns that a study that is by all means, but i think the time medallions or

peak time permits could be a sensitive or sensible alternative to full-time medallions. i have great concerns about what might come out of this. let me just say that we are witnessing in wisconsin and other places across the country , there is a very strong reaction to the notion that the workers should not have bargaining rights. they did not have bargaining rights. they have no say in the terms of their employment. so what is there for cabdrivers? what has been there his starkly. that was your path to a stake in the taxi industry. that path has been all but

closed to anybody who can't afford a medallion. we are talking about the possibility of some sort of peak time permit that will create more competition for drivers, and we are talking about giving them the cab companies because that is the predominant idea that has been put out there. rather than allowing some drivers the consolation prize of the peak time of medallion. it is a potential revenue source for the agency and they will be very marginal in terms of the economics. [chime] director nolan: any more speakers? is there a recommendation? director heinicke: it is no

secret that i have been urging this for years. it is not that i lost focus on that, it is is that there are a lot of hoops to go through. when i hear people come together with general support, that is a low bid gratifying. -- little bit gratifying. we have not heard from the hundreds of thousands of people that would save their major complaint is not that the drivers are not professional. not that the cabs are not safe, it is that they can't get one when they need one. let's make no bones about this. the political pressure is there to put more cabs on the street. we can either accommodate that

were bent to it. i don't think flooding more medallions as a solution. that would hurt our drivers and that would hurt the industry and would hurt customer service. i have pushed for this idea because we need a more service. they are getting calls because there are not cab services in the peak times. it will be good for drivers. drivers can may money when passengers are willing to spend money. let's let them profit from these very valuable shift. it will be good for companies. and of course it will be good for customers. the key issue is, if we are going to do this in the somewhat

surgical or more focused fashion, there has to be a way that the companies can take these permits and operate them. that is why this proposal sends it, so we can model at to make it -- i am excited about this. i am appreciative for their support in this. the supervisor has introduced a board resolution. there is a lot of momentum here. unless there are other comments, i am prepared to move it. director nolan: second? okay. >> if we, you know,