are, what they see on their most current arrest, and they compile that information over the next 14 or 20 days and come up with something for you in the next month. supervisor mirkarimi: if that works for you, that is great. that will be helpful in painting the picture as vast as we possibly can to get some, i think, criminal-justice understanding. >> right. my fear is that i know 21 days is a small sample size in the big picture. i hope that this would not be taken as the and all of what recidivism is -- the end-all of what recidivism is in our justice system. it would take a steady, almost a doctorate program, to put together something like this to get a real clear look at it, but i will try to put something together for you.

supervisor mirkarimi: also, that is one of the larger concerns i have heard, that there is not this pollination of discussion. there is no form to have this pollination of discussion. when i talk to adults for juvenile probation officers, when i talk to the public defender or district attorney representing this as well, there seems to be only compartmentalized understanding. we benefit by the fact that the police department first responders -- they are able to help statistically chronicle that first responder activity, but on the back end, considering the fact that three out of four people who are arrested or convicted are repeating their offenses in san francisco, would tell us a little bit more as to what kind of progress we are making on that front at the same time. i'm trying to figure out a way we can get a more holistic

picture. would that make sense? >> it makes perfect sense. it takes a lot of time and effort. i would suggest -- i know city college has a criminal justice program. maybe have their students' work with us, and that way, we can have a resource that is not going to cost us anything, and it will be an experience for the students, and it will be a boon for us to get this information. supervisor mirkarimi: i think it would be awesome if the police department or your department would invite intents and be able to enlist some additional support. volunteer perhaps. i do not know. but the mayor's office of criminal justice needs to be more buoyant. at one point, it had eight people. it had eight literally five years ago.

they were the ones filling your shoes, essentially, because the police department did not have this level of statistical -- it was not in existence. they did not have graphs, i think, of the statistical sort of approach in how to present. now that you have comstat, and now that there has been a realignment in the mayor's office of criminal justice, what ever you can do, i think, to assist our efforts -- your efforts and hours here -- i think that would be fantastic. >> i will go back, and i will spearhead an effort to work with city college with their criminal justice department to see if we can put this together. we have in turn to all the time, but they get so busy, tasked

with so much other clerical work, that we need to have people outside of our apartment use this as a project, something they can get credit for at school and also that we can benefit from. supervisor mirkarimi: i think it is a very solid idea, and i think the same challenges seem to be fall adult and juvenile probation. sheriff's department has stated, too, but the actual combination of uniting all the different agencies that are part of the umbrella of the criminal justice system in san francisco -- statistically, it really has been quite a challenge in trying to get a complete picture from the onset to the exit of the people who are perpetrating the crimes, whether they are -- continue to be those perpetrators, or perhaps, they are not. it is something that i think we reach a natural juncture, and

hopefully, we will be able to upgrade our abilities. that is what this conversation is about. >> exactly. but i believe our challenge is going to come from are we going to be able to share the criminal history information -- supervisor mirkarimi: no. >> with the interest because they have to do the work. that is where the challenge comes from, how do we delineate the information? we let them compile the numbers and given the statistics. supervisor mirkarimi: clearly, you cannot compromise the information, but you are right. maybe if there is a way to sanitize this so you are working straight from a new merkel package, that will work. -- from a numerical package, that will work. >> is not going to happen immediately. supervisor mirkarimi: you would be a first. this has been a discussion point for about six years or so. the fact that you said that you are actually going to do it, that as a breakthrough right

there. so we appreciate that. appreciate that very much. >> thank you. hope i can get it together for you. supervisor campos: thank you. a couple points. on this issue, i think it is great, and you should be commended for doing that. i think it is great that you are involved in city college, but i also think that there's something to be said about the city also making an investment in this kind of effort. something like this should be institutionalized, and it is something that should be part of how we look at these issues. not just the police department, but how the relevant agencies look at these issues. there are some changes or restructuring in the mayor's office of criminal justice that you work with them to figure out a way in which this must be an

ongoing part of the analysis or the discussion. should not just rest at the police department, so i would encourage you and the mayor's office to work together on the -- on that. one quick question about crime, and i do not want to be labor this. mont mu -- on muni, do we have any statistics with crime? >> i did not bring it with me today, yes. >> we need to talk -- we cannot talk about what is happening with public safety around the city if we do not talk about what is happening with respect to public transportation. that is something of concern for me. in my district, we have the 14 line, one of the second most transit lines. incidents happen from time to time, so i would like to get a better sense of what is

happening, what does the picture look like in terms of safety muni -- safety on muni buses and trains and if we could incorporate that as part of our presentation. >> i can tell you that even one crime on muni is too much. but i work with the deputy chief, who is in charge, and he has a great squad of officers, and they have been doing a fantastic job, and i know these numbers are going down, compared to last year and over the months, and i have known tom, too, and i think you would be happy to see him. supervisor mirkarimi: ok. you want to talk about the chief selection process? i'm just kidding. [laughter] >> i did not apply.

i did not apply. supervisor mirkarimi: and if you did, he should have been interviewed. that is all i'm going to say on the matter. listen, thank you. unless my colleagues have more comments. i do want to say how much i do appreciate everything that you are trying to do, i think, to help modernize the approach and get a handle around the activity that is occurring. i realize a lot of what we are asking is not solely on the shoulders of the police department, but until there is some traffic cop, for lack of a better phrase, to unite all the statistical -- disparate statistical variables of the criminal justice system, it is difficult for us to get a complete picture, so i appreciate you helping us endeavor to that point as much as the conversation has, i think, evolves. thank you. >> i appreciate that.

when i put this working group together, i will be including nlcj in networking group, so you will be hearing from me. >> good morning. i'm from the mayor's office. i'm here mostly to listen because, as you are aware, we have someone starting with us next week, and he will be in this chair moving forward, so he can speak with some knowledge, which i do not have on the issues, but i do appreciate your focusing on solving these issues, and i will commit mr. henderson, since he is not here, to argue otherwise to working collaborative we on this issue. supervisor mirkarimi: the good news is he is really no stranger to any of this. he has been before public safety and the board of supervisors many times, so this conversation is not unfamiliar to mr. henderson at all. being a longtime member of the district attorney's office, someone i used to work with for

a number of years, staff i think is a language he gets, so i think that would be a good language for us. >> he is focused on solving these issues by data and not as much by feel, so i think there is consensus around that. supervisor mirkarimi: just a message to glean from what supervisors have been talking about and i have been drumbeating for a while, too, and that is it somehow through either the department of technology or the coit working group, what have you, is able to help us figure out a way that does unite that strategy on statistics from the disparate criminal justice departments, that would be wonderful. because we came in at the police department. none of us expect them to be

able to answer all the questions, so it is helpful again to have that kind of administrator or organizer, somebody that can referee all the different agencies together. >> i think, as supervisor campos mentioned, you cannot just look at one type of data. on tuesday, the full board voted on first reading on the justice reorganization, and the justice system will now exist under the city administrator, and i believe that they begin to address the concerns you are expressing. i hope it will, at least. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you very much. very much appreciate the mayor's office of criminal justice being part of this. very good. we can open this up to public comment. >> hello, ladies and gentlemen.

i'm christine harris. thank you for letting me speak. i'm a victim of electromagnetic weapons, organize stocking -- stalking. wiretaps are in my phone, and a gps device has been inserted in my vehicle. the perpetrators are sgt beasley from the san francisco police department, his wife, debra davis, and peter davis. in my many attempts to seek protection from the san francisco police department, and public authorities in san francisco, i have not only been denied but threatened for speaking about the crimes against me. officer kelly dunne even showed up at my husband's place of work to say that the crimes against me have been investigated and the case closed. i'm requesting a real, genuine investigation with integrity that does not come for the criminal and crucify the victim. i wanted to let you know that a group of victims just testified

at the bioethics meeting in washington, d.c., this past week. thank you so much. supervisor mirkarimi: i'm sorry. a question wanted to be asked by supervisor cohen. supervisor cohen: i did not catch your name. >> christine harris. supervisor cohen: just wanted to make sure i understood what you just said. you are a victim of cyber- stocking -- cyberstalking? >> it is called organized stalking. it is an act that a group of people did back in the 1950's, 1960's, and 1970's. it was very familiar with the kkk to stalk the black panthers to intimidate and threaten them. they would discredit the victim so that they could continue

their crimes. supervisor cohen: so you came to bring your case to our attention? >> i have been speaking at police commissioner meetings, and i have been to three of these public safety meetings to bring to the attention of the board of supervisors to bring awareness as the media is not paying particular attention to these crimes. supervisor cohen: tell me, how did you become a victim? >> very interesting. i had a disagreement with our property manager. that was sort of how it started. the president of the homeowner association was not complying with the law. as opposed to hiring an attorney, which i had done and spent $500, i decided to go to the attorney general, which there is a list of four things with their is no fee, so i

contacted the attorney general, and from there on, a list of crimes started. supervisor cohen: so how long has this been going on? >> basically since june 2008. supervisor mirkarimi: you know, a supervisor cohen, i think the issue sounds extremely complex and sensitive, especially since i'm hearing specific individuals being called out. due to the nature of the sensitivity, i think this might be a conversation best suited offline. supervisor cohen: agreed. >> i will be leaving you some information at your offices individually. the reason why perpetrators names have been listed is they need to be exposed. it would not have gotten this far had the san francisco police department or any public official taken notice of the crime, so please forgive me.

supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. next speaker please. >> good morning, supervisors. i have lived in san francisco for 59 years. i am actually stunned by the first speaker. what she is saying is not here said -- he -- harsaa -- hearsay, and i will talk to her privately about that. my own comments about san francisco, i have a couple of suggestions to improve police presence. my first suggestion is to have the top brass of the police department actually spend some time on the street. in my opinion, one way to shoot down the drug quarter for activity is to park a police car at that corner and send a

message that business is over at that corner. i think the street cops would really appreciate it when they see the top brass on the street, even though it is only for a limited time. let's put it this way -- you might get lucky and actually prevent a crime when the top brass is on the street. secondly, i think that a crime situation would be helped if we could get some help from ex- chief heather fong. i'm surprised she has not had any presence since her retirement, and i think that helps the criminal because we are not using her vast experience and knowledge that she acquired. second, i would like to thank the sfpd juvenile unit for

conducting investigation into pornography allegations on san francisco general hospital. i think that pornography is banned under reported crime in san francisco, and i have a feeling that it is abuse other illegal activities. my final comment is the open court examiner" has an article on today's crops. -- the "examiner" has an article on today's cops. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. any other public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. thank you, captain, for the updated information, and we look forward to seeing you again soon. want to remind the audience that next week, there will be a special meeting on the ninth regarding community policing and legislation being advanced to discuss what the legislative definition of community

policing may be. we expect a good community interface in that meeting as well. madam clerk, do we have any other business? >> no, mr. chairman. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you very much. this meeting is adjourned.

tape 55 >> welcome, this is carl. >> great to meet you. >> great to me you, and i want to thank you for your interest and this is the city's animal

shelter. and come in and a lot of people come here to adopt a animal or if they have lost their animal or looking for other animals. and we deal with other animals like birds and rabbits and you name it. this is more to see in this facility and more to see in the community. and i suggest you go with an animal control person and see what they co, whether rescuing animals in distress or hit by a car or dealing with aggressive animals or wildlife or a variety of things. you can only get that flavor with them and doing it first hand. >> i have been with animal control for about six years, i spent a year in the kennel and

then the office came up and i started doing it and it really fit. it's really the job for me. and animals i have to handle and i know what i am doing, i rarely get scared. [whistle]. we do a lot of investigations and most are not as bad as people report but everyone once in a while they are. and i had one and people had moved out and the dog was in the inside and it makes me teary and when the dog is in the backyard, and i can pull an animal out of a horrible environment and feel good. >> where does this animal go after this?

>> they go for the shots and then the kennel. >> and if they just found this, and once we enter everything in the computer and they can track to find out if the dog went back home. we hold them for five days. >> this is a stray dog and it came in today and we immobilize it and then put it in a room with food and water. >> and then evaluate for medical behavior and see if anyone is interested in adopting then. >> we want to be sure that their behavior is good for the average adopter and not aggression problem, toward people or animals. >> and if they growl and don't bite the hand, she passes that.

and good girl, in case she has something in her mouth, we get it out. and one more test, called the startle test and it startled hear but she came to me. and passed the handling test. >> for the mental exam i feel for lumps and bumps. and the ears and see if they are infected and look at the eyes and be sure they are clear and don't have cataracts and look at their teeth and heart. this is the first job that i feel i make a dvrngs. -- difference. and we may do 40 to 80 animals a day for treatments.

and do blood work and skin scrapings and cultures to diagnose different diseases. and x-rays, i can take an animal that would be euthanized at a different shelter and fix it and get it ready for a home. >> we have a partnership and we let a professional groomer run a private business from our facility and in turn grooms our shelter animals. what is the big deal of that? when someone comes to adopt an animal, if it looks good, chances are it will be adopted more. >> and we groom and clean the ears and the works. >> typically a shelter wouldn't

have grooming? >> not at all. and these dogs are treated with the utmot -- utmost care that others can't provide. this is a shampoo to bring out the luster. and i feel satisfied in helping the shelter pets be adopted and to be a part of such a wonderful staff, from the top all the way down. if she passes our evaluation, she will stay until she's adopted. if you are interested in adoption and don't want to put them to sleep, that means at a last resort, we will give you a call before putting to sleep. you are not bound to the dog, and we would give you a call, and it's an actual adoption and cost $107 and it will be y