tickets for being homeless. black people are cited seven times more frequently for jaywalking. there is a legitimate fear of being deported. we are not criminals. it is not equality found inside -- a quality found only inside ethnic communities. [unintelligible] we need you, but we are frustrated with you. as members of the community, you a was the same accountability that we owe one another. [unintelligible] you become divided from our communities.

that accountability is an essential element of community policing. it is radically different from policies like tazer implemen tation. a deep commitment in the community is a structural element -- [chime] >> next speaker. >> i had a couple of comments, but i first say that it is the best practice of community policing, there would be no need for [unintelligible] i work for sf safe. it was a great organization. one reason why it worked, they were trying to get an impact in public housing where they don't feel like they have that impact. i was lucky enough to be working on the advisory board.

i was the person that set of the western addition. it is an excellent idea and it should stay. the one thing that concerns me is the list for people to be on that board seemed like it appeared from nowhere. the police department decides who gets to be on the board. maybe that should be stated. another thing i noticed is that most people have a lot of political power in the community. if each person has political power, it is seen as someone that can bring in a whole group. it didn't have the grass-roots elements. they already have a bunch of hats. there is a lot of people from the community that can make an impact.

the final thank is that with foot patrols, i feel like ross mirkarimi is trying to get foot patrols. the gang injunction was on, the police department started posting police officers. that was a great idea. you did not feel right. the foot patrol as when it is convenient for the police officers. [chime] >> next speaker, please. >> good evening, supervisors, commissioners. my name is david elliott louis. i have practiced psychology for many years. one of the things i have learned is to value research and make organizational decisions.

i have seen those applied recently in the medical field, best practices that our research-based. doctors that are dealing with patients and not based on intuition, but based on what actually works in research. some communities do it better than others. some countries do it better than others. it involves collecting data from within the department, from within the community. it is a data-driven approach. i want to suggest a methodology where you look at real-world data. take the best you can.

>> next speaker. >> for three years, i was on three different committees. the first station that got the concept of community policing, it just went going and going. the committee recommended certain citizens, they range

from merchants to the police department i was upstairs being texted. when i was a lgbt center, i was so proud that the youth was there. they put a youth summit together. i was corrected last week that the third one was coming out. you trust not only the community members but the police department. i want to say that i am very honored. we do make recommendations to the captain on who could or should look into having recruit

members to be on it. i want to thank you for your time. >> any other member of the public that would like to speak? i think that ends public comment. if i might simply add one more thing. i want to thank all of the members of the public that have come out to speak. thank you for taking the time and waiting so long to make a comment. thank you to all the organizations that have worked with my office as well as the members of this committee that have worked to make this happen. i know that we have commissioners, department heads that want to speak to this. the last thing that i would say, i want to thank hillary for my office. and thank you for doing an amazing job. with that, i will turn it over to you. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you,

supervisor campos. it was a great installment of what we have been doing in trying to spotlight community policing. i think the evolution is well felts. -- well felt. i want to thank all of the stakeholders. i will officially close public comment and i would like to give our police commissioners, if they would like to speak, the microphone. just hit the on button. if he would like to, we would love to have you. any closing comments? >> thank you very much, supervisors. i want to thank the community for coming out. it is 9:00 at night, and everyone is still here. i want to thank the members of the department for being open to the feedback.

what i shared with the community [unintelligible] we like to introduce this. we already have four co- sponsors. commissioner slaughter will also sponsor. my guess is that the entire commission was gone to the resolution. therefore be it resolved that the police commission strongly supports passage of the proposed ordinance a fighting community policing. -- defining community policing. and they will reflect the definition of this ordinance. this is a resolution we are going to vote on in the very

near future. i want to thank you for your support on this. i just also want to respond very briefly to some of the comments from the public because i want you to know we have been thinking about these things. we have been giving training to the youth with regard to the interactions with the police. what i have learned from this work and also being on the commission is that there is a lot of room to grow. i have been working quite a while trying to roll out training for members of the department into the community about trying to improve interactions. if they are going to different

situations, an officer can identify those needs in work with that news. it comes from boston. it has helped decrease some of their incidences. it is not just training, it is about youth and officers teaching each other how to best deal with these issues. it will be quite a bit of implementing a general order. there was quite a bit of discussion about language access. i had been working on that intensively for the last couple of years. to be honest, there is a lot of work that needs to be done. officers right now, if they were to ask, it is not that easy.

there is not a lot of department issued cell phones to access the language line. if someone calls and asks for a bilingual officer, it is not 100% of the time that you will get a bilingual officer. there is work to be done. i want to draw from the crisis intervention model that was unanimously adopted by the police commission. it deals with mental health crises that is like a swat team, a specialized task force that is trained. these are more senior officers. it is a family member, a neighbor calls. the officer works hot how to best be escalate the situation. we have had about three meetings on that so far. it is a great model for

community policing. there were three doctors there. two were the heads of emergency services. they were there for free to work with the department. the room was filled with people all volunteering their time to make it work. it is a great example of true community policing. it is a regular meeting, with a real time line that is being laid out. i want to draw on the model as we talk about community policing. i have heard about the disappointments of the subcommittees, i think it is really important that we are result oriented and we assess where we are, has there been a decrease in crime and is there satisfaction with the police?

>> i believe the commissioner covered all of the things we have been working on. i was there when we had the 2006 report, and it said you have to identify it. if you don't have a definition, it is not going to work. i think you in terms of taking the leadership on this including a definition in place. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. commissioner hammer. commissioner hammer: i want to thank you for inviting us tonight. we need in a smaller room and we get a smaller crowd. we are much richer by seeing what the real life experiences are in san francisco. from the chief selection process, the more voices we hear, it is enormously valuable

to us. i just want to second one thing that commissioner chan said. we have been involved with the crisis intervention model. i have worked with them going to l.a. looking at new ways together with the police to prevent crime, prevent shootings, prevent violence. i think that from all of the police officers i have known, and that is what cops want to do when they show up. i think it helps hellholthem dot they want. i have spent most of my career as a lawyer and as a prosecutor.

you can divide the cases use of any cases you don't by how engaged in the community fields -- feels. the inspector zooming in has verty little hope of cooperation. the case that i sought an officer out here working very intensely with housing project in various parts of san francisco, block by block, when they reach out, citizens come forward and we are all safer. this makes all of us safer, and i want to thank you for your leadership. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. >> thank you, supervisor mirkarimi. commissioners from the police commission.

i feel like a bit of an interloper. i was leaving the building after the probation commission this evening and wondered where our friends, the police commission, it looked dark. i learned there was something going on here. in some interest was piqued. i heard these powerful statements and perspectives being a advanced by the members you ourth co-- of our youth community. i thought i would listen, joined the group, and jot down some ideas that i am thinking of advancing to the police commission. the qualities that i think the new chief of police in san francisco should possess, among many other qualities. these are qualities that i think interface very closely with what

we have heard in the testimony of our youth as well as the experience that i have had in 41 years of juvenile probation work. i think it is an articulate it understanding of the juvenile justice system and its mission. secondly, when the new chief should have a comprehensive understanding of the relationship between police work and a juvenile probation work. thirdly, demonstrable career experience that includes evidence of creating or at advancing specific delinquency prevention or diversion programs and strategies. fourthly, the candidates should possess and articulated a vision embracing the value of evidence based community responses to the early indicators of delinquency. that fits very nicely with the

concept of community policing. addressing issues before they reached the point of arrest, and the point of detention. the fifth quality, and i only have one more after the fifth one, a commitment to expedite the arrest reports to the juvenile probation department that accompany the use at the time of prevention. the final one is that the candidate should exhibit successful police administration models that have created and utilize a specially trained youth officer positions at the detective grade or the inspector grade. the department's designated agents that address all juvenile cases. not just the ones involving a

child abuse. thank you for letting me promote these ideals. supervisor mirkarimi: you struck a chord with me that makes me wonder. the repeat offender rate, was that a consideration to tap into some of those strategies -- the police department is activated to arrest one out of every four

people. essentially, it shows three are real offending every three years -- reoffending every three years. there is a dilemma that somehow has to be confused by the thinking of other departments and just by accident, they come to land ideas that i think are great ideas. i don't know hte c - -th- the chief, but it sounds like we got lucky having you here. i don't know what you might think of that. >> at first, i did not know

which chief you are addressing. >supervisor mirkarimi: you two are interchangable. >> i have given some thought to being included in the comstat review, the relationship between our efforts and the connection between some of our efforts, the reproduction of the delinquent activity. i think that is something that we are always looking to increase our interaction with the police department. supervisor mirkarimi: you have given us some things to think about. it was wonderful to have you here. >> good evening, board of supervisors. maria sue, director of the department youth and their families. i echo and support the ordinance

of the legislation that commissioner chan is supporting. how the police can and perhaps should work with a juvenile and young people. hearing some of the testimonies from young people and parents, i have come to realize that one of the things we have done already is creatine a forum to meet with our case managers. maybe what we should do is take that one step further and create a forum to engage with our young people in the schools. i have heard many times, people say that it clicks and works really well.

they meet and talk with the young people. that maybe that's something we can think about and work on. some concrete steps after this conversation. there is a significant amount of funding in the service area. we want to make sure that we leverage all of our partners skill sets and expertise in making sure that we have a very comprehensive perspective in the area. supervisor mirkarimi: would you like to make any closing comments? feel free to do so. >> i know it is getting late, so i will be short.

i have not seen this ordinance. i was just given a copy -- supervisor mirkarimi: there is no ordinance before us tonight, is just a hearing. i think it is a misunderstanding. there is nothing to vote tonight. >> i have a copy in my hand that is not real? supervisor mirkarimi: it is a draft under a 30-day rule. supervisor campos and a number of folks are putting it forward, so there'll be a separate hearing on that. right now, there is nothing before us. >> is this something that is being proposed based on this meeting this evening? >> it is an ordinance we will be

having a future hearing on that essentially creates a definition of community policing as part of the administrative code. in your earlier comments, you indicated the importance of maintaining your authority in terms of utilizing the resources you have a direct and policing on the ground. it is drafted in such a way that it provides a broad definition that gives you all of the leverage so your the one that is making the specific decisions. but nonetheless, provides a broad, general definition. there will be a hearing on that. >> again, there are 30 or 40 people that spoke and we don't have a true definition. i understand the respect that

the officers need to give. it is my responsibility to make sure my officers have the integrity and the respect. they go out and conduct themselves and their professional manner. my only issue is that it ties my hands. we are trying to define what community policing is. you will never be able to get a definition of community policing. everybody talked about what their perception of community policing is. i think all the things that we showed on the screen was exceptional, and this department does a phenomenal job to work with the community policing. i go back to what i said earlier this evening. some of the responsibility does not rest on these advances go police department.

they are really not the responsibility to s of thefpd, -- of the sfpd. it is a responsibility of safe. we have to work together to accomplish those goals. it seems like the san francisco police department seems to be the last stand. in some instances, it is out of the realm that a police department should do. >> i want to thank you for taking the time to be here. i look forward to a more in- depth discussion about this ordinance. it is something that is a work in progress. at some point, there will be an actual hearing. the impetus behind the ordinance is to provide some structure so that when we talk about community policing, we

have an understanding of what we are talking about. i don't believe that anyone of us should be in the business of micromanaging the chief of police. as a legislative body, we have a variety -- a right and obligation to set policy that is what this ordinance does. any ordinance that is embedded in the policy, it upsets policy in such a way. we have the authority to do your job. it is the same way in which the police commissioner sets policy by way of the department general order. i can tell you this asa