we are now up to the numbers. so we do want somebody that is committed, that is spanish- speaking as a member. right now, we have done a lot of outreach, but unfortunately, we are getting nowhere. >> when people come up and speak, if you could just ask them if there is not a language capacity, if there is a cultural capacity about dealing with people where english is not their first language. supervisor kim: could you remind me again how many seats there are on this committee? >> there are 13. three are appointed by the mayor. two our city employees. there are four seats appointed by the local homeless coordinating board, and this body of wants six seats.

supervisor kim: thank you. ok, at this time, we are going to call forward applicants in the order that you are listed on the agenda. sabanur amatillah ali bey. if i call your name, please come up. g.d. kerns -- judy kerns. i misheard you when you were giving public comment. >> my given name is patricia l..

-- patricia farrell. i spoke last time, but i wanted to add that now, i am living in the streets, and it is a perfect example of how the city has failed. i have, as i said before, ideas. i'm not going to share them openly, but one is $3.1 million that could be added to the city's budget almost by the swipe of it 10. i have imbedded myself within the system when i returned to san francisco last year, and since that time, i have developed high cholesterol that has went from 20 milligrams up to 80. i take nitroglycerine now for panic attacks. i have been in the hospital several times with those conditions. i have had -- i have two denial of services. i do not know whether to be proud of that or not, but it is

kind of alarming, given that i've put in so many volunteer hours doing data entry for their sro system that no one on an upper level really came to my defense when i was being attacked by the different people, including judy kerns >> greater than [inaudible] -- kerns. >> [inaudible] supervisor kim: you will have your own time to speak. >> when i got the 90-day referral, they found their own way to dos me. it's alarming that you would have a person staying at a shelter, and doing the care not cash, using a different address and collecting the full amount of welfare.

it is alarming you have drugs being transferred in and out of the bayview. it is alarming that you would have a crack cocaine be sold and used within the next or shelter. there is a lot of these things that i bear witness. i have their witness to one act of violence that put me in a position where i had to write up what i observed in order for the woman who was supposedly the perpetrator to be removed so that she could be protected. you really have a lot of kind of gangland violence going on at shelters, and it appears that if you are not a dope addict, alcoholic, transgendered, anything that would be negative -- if you are just kind of normal, everyday person who needs that helping hand, there is something wrong with you.

and again, i am 60 years born and raised in the bay area. when i came back from georgia, and i am merely alarmed at how easy it is for all these people all over the united states to come into san francisco, francisco,ssi -- legally get ssi and lay up next door. i'm going to leave it at that because it is tmi, but you saw me come in with the big backpack and everything else. i have basically taken to the woods. i personally deal with the shelter issue on a federal level because of my situation for three years. so even if i am not nominated for seat two, i will always have an interest in improving the shelter system, and myself, i find that i can do more good on the federal level and the city

level, but that opportunity came about, and i really feel that i could contribute some neutral and positive ideas. thank you. supervisor kim: thank you. next we have judy kerns. >> thank you very much, and good afternoon, supervisors. i would very much be honored and appreciative should you appoint me to seek -- seat two on the shelter monitoring committee. a little bit of background. i will try to keep this concise. i have a bachelor's degree with over 20 years of business experience in the corporate world, primarily in sales, customer service, and recruitment. i became homeless after two years of being out of work. very common problem today with

the economic times. you can only stay at a friend's for so long without jeopardize in the friendship -- jeopardize a friendship. i became homeless and entered the shelter system last may. since then, i had been a shelter resident for a total of five months, a two different stints. because i could not secure employment, i then use that time in the shelters to start my own consulting business. i serve -- i service executive recruiters with my talents. and it is going fairly well, thank god. i have lived in all three shelters here in san francisco, and they all have their own individual problems or issues that should be addressed. i was and have been very vocal with the current procedure --

complaint procedure in addressing health and safety issues, and would bring those forward to the supervisors at the shelter is when i felt it was necessary, and i believe they actually respected me for that because many of the women do not voice their opinions. i have served many times as the voice for many of the women on certain issues. i feel i also have commanded respect from the shelter residents because of my willingness and ability to be vocal and bring important issues to management's attention. i learned really quickly what it is to be homeless, especially here in san francisco. there are many resources, and

i'm very thankful for that. i learned a lot about people in general, and in sharing or learning of personal stories of other women and how they came to the shelters, why they were there, what their plans are for leaving, if any, and why they would even come back. there is a definite problem there, and a big part of it is due to illness is that they are either in the nile of, they did not seek treatment for, or they do not take their medications. that seems to be a real core issue. many of the disturbances typical of what takes place in the shelters. >> [inaudible] >> ok, yes, i'm sorry.

in summary, i feel i am well qualified to serve on the shelter monitoring committee, based on my business experience, my leadership skills, my ability to be a good listener. i have always been very passionate and caring about others, and i feel i can contribute a lot, make a difference for those still living in the shelters and support their needs. on the issue of the site visits, because i do have my own business, i have a lot of flexibility in my schedule, and i do have a limited knowledge of the spanish language. supervisor kim: thank you very much. thank you for addressing those questions. next we have maxine pauson. is maxine here?

>> hello. i'm maxine pauson. do you want me to just say -- i spoke before. i do not know. i did get a new letter from the coalition on homelessness which makes me eligible for possibly not three, but possibly four, five, and six. if the requirement for one is waived, living with a homeless child under age 18, i could be a candidate for the foot -- for one. >> [inaudible] >> yes. supervisor kim: thank you. charles pitts, who i know has also spoken. if you could just be brief as well. then, we have never -- deborah

muise. >> just a quick question -- did you receive all five letters of recommendation? supervisor kim: we have several, yes. >> just wanted to make sure you got all five. i just wanted to say that i have attended lots of meetings regarding homelessness. i have been attending the shelter monitoring committee possibly for the past three years. i also have brought up several issues regarding have the ability issues, and i have spoken about some of these things continuously, so some of those things have changed. i am going to throw something else on top. when congressman build a library in the next or shelter, and as soon as he got this building it, they closed it, so i started to speak about that. and then it eventually got open. i have also been speaking about

a lot of policy and procedure. i think between that and some of the sunshine ordinance task force complaints that i have filed, a lot of the policy and procedure has started to slowly change. i think the other thing -- i'm just going to try to keep it quick, but i have a dream, like a vision where people can come into the shelter systems, repair their lives, and then move on. just to rebuild their lives. i have attended several different meetings. so just try to put it all together, like a stream from possibly employment to the sro task force and other things. >> [inaudible] supervisor kim: thank you very much. next, we have deborah muise.

i believe you spoke with us last -- >> i will be very brief. since i last spoke, i have continued with the homelessness on six, and going through church street, trying to feed the homeless. i still continue with my work in the community. handing out clothing to the homeless as well. it is pretty much the same, i just wanted to say hello. supervisor kim: thank you so much for being here today. we appreciate it. kathy, we know you were here last week as well. >> i manage the next door shelter with 334 beds. sanctuary shelter with 200 beds, and an additional 60 to 100 beds. the two main points i would like

to make an reiterate is that my view for the shelter monitoring committee is not only to police and to monitor the shelters, but also to increase communication, problem solving, and collaboration. secondly, what i would challenge the committee if i were to become part of it, would be to look for new resources. we already are facing budget problems, and i would challenge the committed to work for collaborative grants and other resources that could be shared. supervisor kim: i have a question. by the way, thank you. now that we have met a few times, i am familiar with the work you do. do you see it as a conflict to be on this committee since you do work for jim of the will of our major shelters? to be on the monitoring committee? >> i do not see it as a conflict. i know that some folks on the committee do. from the time that i have been director since july 6, i have been working with the committee

to improve our standards in both shelters. as far as being able to do the site visits, we are the big two. the third is msa self. that is 500-some of them is that i would be able to do site visits with. i do not view it as a conflict. -- 500-some-odd beds. supervisor kim: when there are complaints at the shelters you work with, how do you engage the committee? >> i have with me supervisors and site visitors, and there are times when i will go in and respond to the complaint also. i do some of the riding -- writing, i would say 50% or 60%, depending on how busy we are. supervisor kim: thank you so much for coming in. amanda e-mail us to let us know she could no longer make it.

she was here last time, exactly. >> thank you. just to clarify, i believe i am eligible for three, four, and six, and i did speak before you before. i just wanted to speak to what supervisor farrell said. i was telling a co-worker the other day that three years into the work, i feel more passionate about it now than i ever have. to be on this committee -- i have not worked this out with my employer, but i'm actually lose money by being on the committee, and it is something i feel strongly that i want to do. thank you for your time. supervisor kim: thank you. and i'm pretty sure she is not here, but i will call rev. megan rohrer. ok, she is not here. is there any public comment on this item?

i know that there are many members of the public that our meeting has gone longer than they had expected. >> good afternoon, supervisors. former member of the shelter monitoring committee. i just want to quickly reiterate my strong support for maxine and charles. both of them worked at the inception of the standards of care workshop that created the legislation that was approved by you. let me just say that i am disappointed that there are no spanish-speaking applicants in front of you today. i think that is a failure by the nonprofits that he delegated the responsibility and having four of the six seats, so either the nonprofits need to do a better job in our reach -- outreach to

spanish-speaking homeless people, or you need to amend your legislation and not rely on nonprofits for a spanish- speaking member. finally, let me say again that i am in opposition to ms. treggia ri as a member of this committee. she, again, will not be able to do inspections of two of the three largest homeless shelters in the system. moreover, she is a non-resident of the city of san francisco. she lives in hayward. and you have more than enough qualified applicants that reside in this city. so a residency waiver is not appropriate. thank you. supervisor kim: thank you.

>> hello, supervisors. i am a member of the local homeless coordinating board for the city. one of the letters that mr. hits -- mr. pitts would have been written -- referred to would have been written by myself and my colleagues in support of his application. it is always a bit disappointing when one of the really important committees like the shelter monitoring committee, is not fulfilling all of its responsibilities. we heard that the committee has fallen short on a number of occasions in fulfilling its monitoring obligations, so the local homeless for relies on committees to report the condition of shelters in our role as both an advocate of the shelter as well as a monitor of that kind of activity. it really helps us to get accurate and consistent input, and when that does not happen, we are not able to fully

exercise our responsibilities. mr. pitts has been absolutely consistent in his attendance both at the local homeless coordinating board and the shelter monitoring committee. he has provided passionate and insightful and put into the services there. as someone who is absolutely available and has experienced many of those services for himself. his motive, from our experience with him, has been right on point in wanting to make the system better for those who utilize it and for those who utilize all homeless services in the city, so we strongly endorse his application, and we would appreciate consideration. supervisor kim: thank you. any other public comments? >> i spoke last time in favor of charles pitts as well. a caricature was provided on the front page of the "wall street

journal, as far as his participation in a story that they did. charles mentioned last time -- he did not mention it today, but he said that he is a volunteer at a soup kitchen, and i found that to be very humble because the soup kitchen that he is volunteering at is a very famous soup kitchen. so famous that when the dollar llama -- the dollar lama visited san francisco -- the dailai lama visited san francisco, he went there to hand of food, and decided to handle lunch -- decided to sit down and have lunch 10 homeless people. you can seeyou can see the tradt cap, charles keating lunch with the dollar lama -- the dalai la

ma. he was homeless and extremely poor restricted. i have seen him grow as a person at the meetings, learning more, being more diplomatic, not being really loud in his opinions. i think he has so much energy to give the city that this would be an excellent opportunity for him to contribute and continue his growth. chairperson kim: public comment is closed. do you have any questions for staff or applicant specs -- applicants? the majority of the shelters reside in our district. our office has taken the time to interview many of the candidates and get suggestions and recommendations from the community as well. this is a very important

committee to us. there is a lot of work that needs to be done in our shelters and a lot of improvements we need to make and monitor. i appreciate that so many members of our community want to serve on this tough committee. there is a huge time commitment. those of you who have been a part of our shelter system, a very much appreciate your willingness to serve. if i might make a suggestion, based on some of what we have heard, i also want to say we did take into account an ability to engage respectfully in these committees, even when we disagree. it is something we thought was very important, because we deal with such tough issues on this committee. one of the suggestions i would like to make port seat -- make for seat two, for judy kerns.

463, i respect the work -- for seat three, i think it is important we have someone who can do monitoring work that does not work in our shelters as well. i know that reverend meghan morore could not be here today. she does a lot of work in the ltte -- lgbt community. we would like to support her. for seat six, will daley. i am open to hearing back from my colleagues. commissioner farrell: i was with you on all of them except for the one, but i would be happy to defer to you. i have put debra mews 463, but i

am more than happy -- for seat three, and i am more than happy -- commissioner elsbernd:. commissioner farrell: i still have an issue if i have never heard from an applicant. absent her being here, my preference would be for ms. treggiari. she has spoken before us twice. i would find it difficult to replace her with someone who does not come at all. i do not feel as strongly, but i would defer it to fill up with. i will leave it at that. chairperson kim: i am more than happy to continue seat three.

i continue to support the reverend, but i have had the opportunity to meet with her and my colleagues have not. i want them to feel comfortable with the recommendations we move forward. commissioner elsbernd: kathy, you do not need to come back a third time. we have heard you twice. chairperson kim: and deborah as well. judy kerns, seat 2. megan rohrer for seat 3. maxine pauson for seat 4. commissioner elsbernd: -- why don't we continue seat three? commissioner farrell: no objections. >> there was not an applicant

for seat one. if you give me time, i will try to do more recruitments. chairperson kim: thank you so much for being here today. >> one of the things i apologize that we did not point out -- to be respectful of mr. picorillo's comments, your application for the board of supervisors requires you to be a u.s. citizen. we have done hours and hours of work. some people will not fill out the application because of their citizenship status. that has been one of the biggest problems in doing recruitment for that position. chairperson kim: is that a requirement? if someone wanted to leave that blank, can we still consider that? >> i would have to check into the requirement for this particular committee. chairperson kim: i completely understand those concerns. we will check into that issue as

well. we have a motion to move forward seats two, four, five, and six, with positive recommendation, without objection. thank you again to the members for coming back a second time. we really appreciate your commitment to serve. also sitting through this rather long rules committee meeting. thanks to my colleagues and have decent patrick's day. -- and happy st. patrick's day.