chief's position, i think that as a commission, we should discuss our expectations for the police chief of for that person is sworn in, and when we interview folks, we discuss with them, you know, ask questions regarding their position on a number of items and matters, et -- matters, but we did not really do a lot in terms of their clear expectations as a commission on various items. so i would suggest we take some time to address that in the near future when that announcement is made and that person is sworn in, at such time as it is clear on what our expectations part as

a commission as a whole. president mazzucco: ok. commissioner: if i may, i had not considered that before commissioner kingsley. on the one hand, i understand your position, but on the other hand, we afforded names to the mayor, and he can send it back to us and say he does not like those names. that person who is going to become chief will have to learn to work quickly to work with this commission, and i would be

a little concerned about that. the commission spent a full day doing a priority, a review. it sounds like that is a little bit what we are discussing. some commissioners are going to say, "my priority is x," and we are juggling them all, so i think i understand your suggestion. i am not quite sure how we would

go about implementing it, i guess, in the time frame. the mayor could announce tomorrow. that is my off-the-cuff reaction. commissioner dejesus: i actually agree with commissioner kingsley. i think part of it is that he did not understand what we as a commission expected. we talked about civility and that things that he expected from us, and i think that was very helpful. i do not want to tell him what to do. i think we have some things that are very important that we want to follow, what were the press conference is, that is important, so we should talk about that and come up with some real basic items about what kind of our basic expectations are and how we should move forward

with this new person and put that down a beginning rather than having a conflict that we are trying to work out. i just had a lot of conflict. president mazzucco: commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: i think as a group, we have to work on what our priorities are and what we are going to address, and that is scheduled for march 30. in terms of the chief, we are expected as a group to do an evaluation of the chief and director. my understanding of it. in order to do an effective evaluation, we need to let that person know what the expectations are, given with the job. yet, it is fairly unique to have a body, such as this, where there are essentially seven bosses to respond to, and we as a group, i think, have a

responsibility to make it easier on whoever is in that job to make it clear on how we are working as a group, what our expectations are as a group, as well as our individual expectations, and one for example on this would be, i would expect, if it was one of the things i would propose in such a discussion is that we talk about asking the chief to put up a proposal that may be different than what we are thinking of to say clearly out their goals and what they expect to do, for example, over a 12- month period, so that we have a point of measurement in reference and so that korea disclosure of the plan up front, and then we give their input as to how that sits with our priorities -- a point of measurement in reference and so

that we have disclosure of the plan up front. that kind of thing is really beyond priorities, per se. it is a matter of communication, relationship, protocol, as well as a game plan. what is the game plan? develop a game plan of fraud and have it presented to the commission so we know what the game plan is -- develop a game plan up front. that is what i am proposing. .-- president mazzucco: commissioner slaughter? commissioner slaughter: you said it was unique to have seven bosses. i view it differently. this is now much of america works. there is a board that oversees the chief executive, and i view my role as a commissioner that as a board member, which oversees the chief of executive of the department. having said that -- we oversee

the chief executive of the department. i think in our case, it is pretty darn simple, right? public safety. we have crime statistics every week and year after year. -- year over year. now, there is a whole lot of other priorities, and i am not opposed to a discussion that says procedurally, this is what we expect, in terms of knowing what you are doing and what your priorities are. i hope we have a strong chief the says, "this is my vision of the department, and these are the suggestions i want to push, and this is where i want to go. if the commission tells me it is inappropriate, i will not do it, but i hope that the mayor picks a strong -- will not do it," but i hope the mayor picks a strong

chief. i do not want to go procedural versus substantive. if we are talking about procedurally how we want to be treated and that these things are important to was, that we are informed, it is perfectly appropriate, but i get -- i am a little bit more concerned about the substantive -- having him come in, saying, "these are what i, quite frankly, would propose to " president mazzucco: which it would propose. president mazzucco: dr. marshall? dr. marshall: what are we doing? commissioner kingsley: i would

propose that we have that discussion as a commission as soon as possible, because we do not know when the mayor will make his announcement, so we ought to have a discussion on our expectation. it does not have to be complicated, but just so we are clear on what our our expectations, communicating better, and getting clear ourselves -- what are our expectations, and how we're going to measure the performance of the police chief. commissioner slaughter has expressed this. it is basically cry now. other commissioners may have got on this. in terms of getting clear on that, i think that is something we need to do when somebody comes on board, as a commission, as a whole unit, rather than waiting for somebody to come on

board and an ad hoc p&e, with the various commissioners individually, and working with the commission -- come on board in having ad hoc meetings. i think it is better at the onset and that it would be better for the person and us as a body. vice president marshall: before? that is what i wanted to make sure of. ok, before. well, commissioners, to be honest with you, i do not think we can even come close. i understand your idea, but i am very conc that is just to be very honest with you. president mazzucco: before we move into public comment, let me give you my comments on that. we have to look at what this

commission's obligations are. we recommend policy and procedure. we do not recommend day-to-day operation of the san francisco police department. our goals are in writing, and i think they are pretty clear in the process about what the commission thinks in terms of policy and procedure are, what we are looking for in a chief. otherwise, we would not have referred that name to the mayor for review, and we can do on an individual basis, each commissioner is welcome to contact the chief and once he is chosen, we go in closed session and to performance about tuitions of the chief. at that time, the commission can get a good conversation with the cheap, saying, "these are our expectations." it would be in closed session, if it were for a performance situation? is that correct? >> it would be if you were doing that, but it would not be if you

were just sitting -- setting generalities. >> different points of views, and we represent the community and the officers, but we have to be very careful about individual commissioners having an agenda. we are a commission, and the commission's agenda, so i like the idea to a certain extent, but we have to be very careful, because we are not the ones running the police on a day-to- day basis. >> she has asked to put it on the agenda, and i think we can have that discussion there. no one is talking about running the department. we're talking about expectations for the chief from the beginning and a way to measure it. i think she should be allowed to put it on the agenda. however you want to do it. it does not matter. president mazzucco: any public comment regarding this? ms..>> good evening.

on the subject of crime statistics, this last week was a patrick's day. this is what was left from me, since i am still a piece of property of my ex-husband to pull a home invasion whenever he feels like it. i had ninth nice kelly green turtlenecks. i do not have them anymore. i think police from a different station should be sent out. mine was a civilian employe eat. i think the police thought he was a regular police officer, which he was not. i was not arrested one time, but every time they came out from his station, i was arrested lock, stock, and barrel. i tried to speak. he had already put forth his

complaint, so too bad for me, even though i used to work for the police department, too. all i am saying for a change of policy, please make sure when there is a beef, where there is a police officer in the district station, his wife is not made a net case so he can have the cheapest of the wars in history and a long rap sheet for nothing. even though his pension was $69, i reduced to one dozen dollars per month, when he is paying it. now that it has moved over to the police credit union for the first time, he is paying it, even though the board said in an operation for some time. that is called white collar crime, i do believe. president mazzucco: there is a note here about scheduling a community meeting, and we should maybe put that forward to next week. any further public comment? hearing none, next item, please.

secretary lt. falvey: item number eight, adjournment. president mazzucco: all in favor? [gavel] we are adjourned.

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