>> you called public comment. president mazzucco: and we closed it. >> you closed immediately. president mazzucco: we will let you talk. >> i was walking up as you close it. i will be brief. president mazzucco: thank you. >> we are in contraction. it is not just california. you act as if you are in a world all of your own. making $175,000 per year while taxi drivers are making $17,000 per year. you make it in a month what i make in a year, but you see nothing wrong with that. we can no longer afford the police. also, it seems that none of you read the civil haute -- the civil case of 2009, or you would not be pontificating about 3%, 2%, 1%, the enrollment at the

academy. the lieutenant's making between $175,000.200 $25,000, -- $175,000 and $225,000, but on retirement, in you do not want to look at it. did any of you read that? you are a part of that. bankruptcy is on the horizon. you do not have money for tasers. you do not have money for salaries. you do not have money for equipment. discounts of police cars, and they are all $50,000. no discount there. people are walking around, wondering, what the hell is going on here? a police officer making $200,000 per year, while you are jacking up citation prices.

i am one of the citizens. i pay $2,000 per year in tickets doing my job on an $18,000 salary. mostly, the police officers at, parking and traffic. you do not find anything wrong with that. let's talk about the police budget. a police department that does not even know what the hell is going on with budgets. simple accounting. they know counting, but they do not know what the real costs are. i will tell you what the real costs are. we are going to hit the wall in three or four years. you have massive layoffs coming in san francisco. you have got pension cuts coming, unless you do something radical now. you have got to cut payroll at the upper end. the civil grand jury investigated and said that the city can no longer pay them. but you do not find any problem

with that. nobody wants to talk about that. the compound at 10% per year. a policeman and retired in 2005, 2010, he is making 140% of his pension or more. i thank you for your time. >> a thank you. my name is barbara gross. i am a concerned citizen of this city, and do you not dare slam the gavel down again when another person is here and has not even vacated when the public comment is closed. we did not have a chance at the mic. thank you. now, when it comes to the idea of public funds, and we cannot tell us how many commanders we have, how many deputy chiefs we have, how many deputy assistant

chiefs we have, when i worked for this dear, sweet, efficiently working police department, and we do not need to check out the college age, older vintage pranksters, called the police executive research forum? frankly, the fbi should be in the middle of that group, locks stock and barrel, because they came in to make sure that the higher ups could all be brought in from outside, since they are no longer civil service positions. deputy chiefs, assistant chiefs. i would like to know what they really do. we got by very nicely without them when i worked here in this fine police department. there was a lot of crime back then, and i do not think we have quite the grasp we do now.

since we are up to white-collar crime, chicago was known for its way back when, when al capone and bugsy malone and all of the shoot up as a way that men. they are doing a lot of good over in oakleigh note -- bugs in alone and all of the shooter up -- shoot-ups way back then. they are doing a lot of good in oakland. they shot up the town. the chinese and the extra minorities to came in. that is not my issue that we have top brass that need to be here at the high salary, and the older people have to sell the property because they cannot pay property taxes, because of the higher stuff here? thank you. president mazzucco: public comment is closed.

we represent the public, and we also represent the police department, and is popular context to criticize the police officers' pensions based on a few large salaries of the command staff, and if you look at it realistically, nobody is retiring at 145% of their salary. there were paid out -- pay--outs based on sick time, and i feel very strongly that the men and women of this department, they leave their loved ones every day and kiss them goodbye, and they may not come home at the end of their shift. they risk their lives for a 10- hour shift, unlike others of us, we are going to come home, and we pay the officers well, and we pay them a pension to recognize what they go through, the emotional trauma they go through on a daily basis, the physical trauma they go through on a

daily basis. our officers are in their forties and fifties, taking on parts of society that some have never seen, and in my opinion, we hear about these big pensions, but when a patrol officer retires, a sergeant or a planet -- lieutenant, they have earned every penny, because they have risked their lives. it will not be popular in front of this commission and in front of this commissioner to criticize the pensions they never learned -- they have earned. i am not going to allow it without responding back, for those who do not criticize what the officers have been through. that is what i wanted to say. next item. secretary lt. falvey: public comment for closed session.

.-- president mazzucco: moving to closed session. all in favor? secretary lt. falvey: ok, but the time is 6:56. president mazzucco: whether or not to discuss the items that were in close session? item number 7. secretary lt. falvey: items seven, reports and announcements. item a is the chief's report.

>> we are down about 11% in violent crime. property crime right now is a slight concern. we are up about 1%, property crime up 4%, and those armored vehicle and personal theft -- those are motor vehicle. we are down in property crime and down about 22% in part one crimes, and that is my report as far as the crime statistics are concerned. president mazzucco: great. any questions for the chief regarding crime statistics? item b, please. secretary lt. falvey: item b, the occ director's report. president mazzucco: how are you?

director: i am fine. i have no recent developments to report for the occ, except that director hicks and -- i am sure she will give her report at the next commission meeting. that is all i have. president mazzucco: any questions for chief investigative officer? item seven c, please. secretary lt. falvey: the commission reports. president mazzucco: i have nothing to report. anyone else? >> i met with director hicks and have a meeting with chief

gascon, and i just wanted to let you know that is moving on. president mazzucco: thank you. we appreciate your work. let us move on to line item seven d. secretary lt. falvey: item seven d, commission announcements, scheduling of items identified for consideration. president mazzucco: we have a busy month coming up. is there anything you would like to add to the agenda? commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: yes, just a couple of things. one is that as a commission, i think before the mayor makes his announcement regarding the chief's position, i think that as a commission, we should

discuss our expectations for the police chief of for that person is sworn in, and when we interview folks, we discuss with them, you know, ask questions regarding their position on a number of items and matters, et -- matters, but we did not really do a lot in terms of their clear expectations as a commission on various items. so i would suggest we take some time to address that in the near future when that announcement is made and that person is sworn in, at such time as it is clear on what our expectations part as a commission as a whole. president mazzucco: ok.

commissioner: if i may, i had not considered that before commissioner kingsley. on the one hand, i understand your position, but on the other hand, we afforded names to the mayor, and he can send it back to us and say he does not like those names. that person who is going to become chief will have to learn to work quickly to work with this commission, and i would be a little concerned about that. the commission spent a full day doing a priority, a review.

it sounds like that is a little bit what we are discussing. some commissioners are going to say, "my priority is x," and we are juggling them all, so i think i understand your suggestion. i am not quite sure how we would go about implementing it, i guess, in the time frame. the mayor could announce tomorrow.

that is my off-the-cuff reaction. commissioner dejesus: i actually agree with commissioner kingsley. i think part of it is that he did not understand what we as a commission expected. we talked about civility and that things that he expected from us, and i think that was very helpful. i do not want to tell him what to do. i think we have some things that are very important that we want to follow, what were the press conference is, that is important, so we should talk about that and come up with some real basic items about what kind of our basic expectations are and how we should move forward with this new person and put that down a beginning rather than having a conflict that we

are trying to work out. i just had a lot of conflict. president mazzucco: commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: i think as a group, we have to work on what our priorities are and what we are going to address, and that is scheduled for march 30. in terms of the chief, we are expected as a group to do an evaluation of the chief and director. my understanding of it. in order to do an effective evaluation, we need to let that person know what the expectations are, given with the job. yet, it is fairly unique to have a body, such as this, where there are essentially seven bosses to respond to, and we as a group, i think, have a responsibility to make it easier on whoever is in that job to make it clear on how we are working as a group, what our

expectations are as a group, as well as our individual expectations, and one for example on this would be, i would expect, if it was one of the things i would propose in such a discussion is that we talk about asking the chief to put up a proposal that may be different than what we are thinking of to say clearly out their goals and what they expect to do, for example, over a 12- month period, so that we have a point of measurement in reference and so that korea disclosure of the plan up front, and then we give their input as to how that sits with our priorities -- a point of measurement in reference and so that we have disclosure of the plan up front.

that kind of thing is really beyond priorities, per se. it is a matter of communication, relationship, protocol, as well as a game plan. what is the game plan? develop a game plan of fraud and have it presented to the commission so we know what the game plan is -- develop a game plan up front. that is what i am proposing. .-- president mazzucco: commissioner slaughter? commissioner slaughter: you said it was unique to have seven bosses. i view it differently. this is now much of america works. there is a board that oversees the chief executive, and i view my role as a commissioner that as a board member, which oversees the chief of executive of the department. having said that -- we oversee the chief executive of the department. i think in our case, it is pretty darn simple, right?

public safety. we have crime statistics every week and year after year. -- year over year. now, there is a whole lot of other priorities, and i am not opposed to a discussion that says procedurally, this is what we expect, in terms of knowing what you are doing and what your priorities are. i hope we have a strong chief the says, "this is my vision of the department, and these are the suggestions i want to push, and this is where i want to go. if the commission tells me it is inappropriate, i will not do it, but i hope that the mayor picks a strong -- will not do it," but i hope the mayor picks a strong chief. i do not want to go procedural

versus substantive. if we are talking about procedurally how we want to be treated and that these things are important to was, that we are informed, it is perfectly appropriate, but i get -- i am a little bit more concerned about the substantive -- having him come in, saying, "these are what i, quite frankly, would propose to " president mazzucco: which it would propose. president mazzucco: dr. marshall? dr. marshall: what are we doing? commissioner kingsley: i would propose that we have that discussion as a commission as soon as possible, because we do

not know when the mayor will make his announcement, so we ought to have a discussion on our expectation. it does not have to be complicated, but just so we are clear on what our our expectations, communicating better, and getting clear ourselves -- what are our expectations, and how we're going to measure the performance of the police chief. commissioner slaughter has expressed this. it is basically cry now. other commissioners may have got on this. in terms of getting clear on that, i think that is something we need to do when somebody comes on board, as a commission, as a whole unit, rather than waiting for somebody to come on board and an ad hoc p&e, with the various commissioners individually, and working with

the commission -- come on board in having ad hoc meetings. i think it is better at the onset and that it would be better for the person and us as a body. vice president marshall: before? that is what i wanted to make sure of. ok, before. well, commissioners, to be honest with you, i do not think we can even come close. i understand your idea, but i am very conc that is just to be very honest with you. president mazzucco: before we move into public comment, let me give you my comments on that. we have to look at what this commission's obligations are. we recommend policy and procedure. we do not recommend day-to-day

operation of the san francisco police department. our goals are in writing, and i think they are pretty clear in the process about what the commission thinks in terms of policy and procedure are, what we are looking for in a chief. otherwise, we would not have referred that name to the mayor for review, and we can do on an individual basis, each commissioner is welcome to contact the chief and once he is chosen, we go in closed session and to performance about tuitions of the chief. at that time, the commission can get a good conversation with the cheap, saying, "these are our expectations." it would be in closed session, if it were for a performance situation? is that correct? >> it would be if you were doing that, but it would not be if you were just sitting -- setting generalities. >> different points of views,

and we represent the community and the officers, but we have to be very careful about individual commissioners having an agenda. we are a commission, and the commission's agenda, so i like the idea to a certain extent, but we have to be very careful, because we are not the ones running the police on a day-to- day basis. >> she has asked to put it on the agenda, and i think we can have that discussion there. no one is talking about running the department. we're talking about expectations for the chief from the beginning and a way to measure it. i think she should be allowed to put it on the agenda. however you want to do it. it does not matter. president mazzucco: any public comment regarding this? ms..>> good evening. on the subject of crime statistics, this last week was a

patrick's day. this is what was left from me, since i am still a piece of property of my ex-husband to pull a home invasion whenever he feels like it. i had ninth nice kelly green turtlenecks. i do not have them anymore. i think police from a different station should be sent out. mine was a civilian employe eat. i think the police thought he was a regular police officer, which he was not. i was not arrested one time, but every time they came out from his station, i was arrested lock, stock, and barrel. i tried to speak. he had already put forth his complaint, so too bad for me, even though i used to work for the police department, too. all i am saying for a change of

policy, please make sure when there is a beef, where there is a police officer in the district station, his wife is not made a net case so he can have the cheapest of the wars in history and a long rap sheet for nothing. even though his pension was $69, i reduced to one dozen dollars per month, when he is paying it. now that it has moved over to the police credit union for the first time, he is paying it, even though the board said in an operation for some time. that is called white collar crime, i do believe. president mazzucco: there is a note here about scheduling a community meeting, and we should maybe put that forward to next week. any further public comment? hearing none, next item, please. secretary lt. falvey: item

number eight, adjournment. president mazzucco: all in favor? [gavel] we are adjourned.