>> a good afternoon. i would like to call the meeting to order. mr. secretary, first item please. >> roll call. [roll-call] president vietor: next item please. >> approval of the meeting for the march 8th regular meeting. due to an editorial oversight, some of the printer -- some of the printed copies have the template date between the footer. it has been fixed but i apologize for the oversight. president vietor: is there a motion to approve a the minutes without the template? all those in favor?

suppose? next item. >> public comment. members of the public may speak before the commission for any item not on today's agenda. president vietor: public comment? >> there is none. the commission, having received at electronic -- if you have a comment on those -- and request regarding the calendar or staffer written reports submitted to the commissioners? vice president moran: i notice the next update is july 26th. i was wondering whether that is -- whether there are decisions that need to be made? >> we will be adding additional

updates. we're still waiting for the full calendar to be put together. that was a place holder from the past. we will be adding more. president vietor: i understand there has been a change in that chair? >> the new chair is supervisor campos. president vietor: i imagine there'll be a change in that in the next month or two. >> and there is a change in the environmental surcharge. this is one of those issues where it helps to have an introductory session and immediately before that -- just a question that that somehow be accomplished. there are several pending questions that seem to fall off the charts. they were around -- and

technology policy, rate policy, >> in both cases, on the environmental surcharge, there are issues coming up with both of those. we will schedule a meeting before an update. some of us were under the mistaken impression we had answered some of those on the other updates -- we have not and we are adding them back. vice president moran: what i will probably do is give you an e-mail on my thinking behind that. the last one is during the budget process, they indicated they were developing a graphic to show rates over time as to

how they are disaggregated by what i would think of as value packages. i know there has been a draft prepared, but i'm assuming that as still been worked on. >> i have a question on the ongoing calendar. we have a number items pending that don't seem to be assigned to any particular meeting time. >> that is true. in some cases, we have had -- with climate change, we had a discussion in the last meeting. we're not sure we should be scheduling them quarterly or when it is topical. that is why we created this pending group. every two weeks, we review these pending items to see if we have a date to put in and if we do,

we put them in but we still leave them on pending. the performance measure shows 322 is being scheduled but pending because there is no particular automatic way to bring that back and we did not want to lose track of it. if you have suggestions that you like to see some of these earlier or later, we would be happy to accommodate that. but it is here so we do not lose track. commissioner caen: the one i am interested in is the real estate update. >> you are not alone. we're trying to figure out when to do that. we also have the [inaudible] policy. president vietor: other questions or comments on the event summary? the staff report?

vice president moran: the one that is listed there, the capability to maintain water supply. i had some comments, more than questions. first of all, the beginning of the memo grabs your attention. it says we are projecting we're not able to meet our service call for water supply. i recognize this is the first of several activities there going to be taking place, but it is an attention grabber. it serves as a jump-start on some of the 2018 discussions we know that we need to have. these issues are not unrelated to that at all. by did notice that -- i did

notice that conservation is not included in there. my assumption is, seeing as though it's a different subject, on the other hand, as far as us meeting demands, it is related and is related with in the context of the 2018 discussion. i'm sure we will get into that. also, some eye-popping unit costs that are there. without beating that dead horse, i'm sure we've all had the opportunity to beat that dead horse. it brings to the for the issue that as we try to figure haori are going to meet those supply things, what role unit costs play. it looks as though the time line is coming together. we have the urban environmental

plans coming up this spring. we talked about at the retreat having discussions about unit cost and how we think about those. this memo says that by the end of august, we will have another round of presentations or another round of information on this subject. it looks as though in the next six months, we will have a fair amount of discussion in front of us. i had a three specific questions about timing. as far as impact to the water supply, it lists two. one is the interim requirements for alameda creek and secondly for san mateo creek. when are we expecting those actually start? >> [inaudible]

[inaudible] vice president moran: when you calculate the 7.4 average, that's assuming we have put into service the recapture facility? >> that is correct. vice president moran: do we have a schedule on that? >> that has not been through the environmental process and we're still working on the project description and design. currently, i believe that is scheduled for implementation by 2015 or 2016.

vice president moran: it is almost a cash flow type of an issue that we have. some degradation of capacity -- we have some steps that can come in to fill that void overtime and part of what we will need to be looking at is how those will piece together. >> absolutely. the one saving grace is usage. consumption being down. vice president moran: how those things come together -- how we can supply someone with water whether it is needed or not. how we meet the needs of going down and how we bring us together is going to be interesting. thank you. president vietor: it would be

great to get a visual chart that is simple at a glance. some conjunctive ground water use -- maybe some fancy ven diagram that shows the consumption and what the interaction is. a snapshot to be able to look at this information so we can see what we're going to need to do from a policy perspective to meet this challenge. design challenge, i guess. visual design. >> we do have one speaker card on this item. >> thank you, madame chair and members of the commission. we are following this closely, as you might imagine and we

appreciate the comments about the cash flow and how that might work. i have discussed this at a time -- the staff memo says staff will return to you with their report in august and i'm wondering if the commission could return what that report and it is not lost in the french? president vietor: absolutely. could we make sure to calendar that for the august meeting? >> some wondering if that can be a calendar item as opposed to a written report? president vietor: unless there is objection. that's enough time, we don't need an interim? >> there may be specific items that come to you before them that relate to this topic. president vietor: any other

comments on communication? next item. >> the next item is new business. does any commissioner have any new business to propose? president vietor: i would like to say happy world water day because today is world water day. the puc should be proud of the activities they have undertaken and today is a celebration that we still have clean water at least in the bay area and an opportunity to do all we can and recognize that globally there are issues with access to clean water and what ever we can do from a local level to help our colleagues in need, we should always be mindful of. happy world water day. >> on that report -- on that point, and we have a report of any radioactivity in our water? >> we do not. we have been getting reports

from a variety of agencies saying it is not a concern, so we have not done our own testing. >> from independent agencies, we can tell the people of san francisco their water is safe? >> yes. >> i have another minor remark about water -- was at a lunch for san francisco general hospital and they served water. i was horrified. when the likes of barbara walters can come up and say no more bottled water and some money restaurants and caterers are doing that now. i think that was a terrible oversight and should not be served that way. >> i was at a tent in union square and they did not serve bottled water. they had pictures and glasses,

so maybe somebody got that message. >> in a similar vein, we had an award ceremony called h-2 of solutions that gives prizes for water, wastewater energy, the black gold discussion we add at our ocean plant, the pilot we are doing for turning black grease and dark brown greece into biofuel was one of the finalists in that. the celebration was at a facility in san francisco that said they had to serve bottled water because their water was not good enough to serve. we went down there and help them slash the pipes. since they did not use water, they had never washed the pipes out. after doing that, they were able to serve regular tap water for the event. it took some convincing to tell

them that your water is o.k. but you never use the pipes. president vietor: there is an excellent book that as just come out called "water matters." it's quite informative. there is a panel tonight and it talks a lot about bottled water and how we need to wean ourselves off of bottled water and the issues that surround that, not just from an environmental perspective, but in many cases, it talks about salinization and some of the value of water and it's quite a lovely book that has just come out. just wanted to bring that to the commission's attention as well. anything else on new business or other business? next item please. >> the report of the general manager is next. >> with the discussion of world water day and having good, clean

water, we have an abundance of good, clean water. i asked for an update on precipitation in the low water shed. >> this graph i just put here is the snowpack in the sierra. these lines represent the% of the median snowpack as of april 1st. the black line here in the middle is the median snowpack per year. there is a jagged blueline which is 2008-2009. a red line is headed off the chart. that is this year. basically, we are looking right now at the middle of march of having 140% of the median as of april 1st. we still have a couple of storms

ahead of us and more snowpack adding to this. there is lots of snowpack in the sierra that will come into our reservoirs'. in fact, if you saw the reservoir right now, you would see a bathtub ring around it because we spend taking out some much water to account for this note. this past weekend, in moccasin, we had 3.2 inches of rain in moccasin which is the fifth wettest storm on record. there was lots of water right there that we were having to deal with. if you follow the news, yosemite national park is closed in the valley right now because of the storms that occurred over the weekend. there is a lot happening up country and a lot of water that has come through and a lot of snow pack there. the beneficiary for us as we have been able to generate a lot of extra hydropower. additionally, at the local reservoirs, we will be getting a lot of releases from both lower

crystal springs and calaveras. they are getting above the levels they should be at for this time of year. we have plenty of water to deal with. as i reminded staff, on july 1st, it starts all over again. having a good year is one thing but it does not save you in the long term. president vietor: are their financial implications? >> we don't have any use for the water in terms of the system. generic hydropower, it's just going down the river. the last number i saw was a couple of weeks ago with an excess of 11 million. president vietor: that's good news. thank you. >> other items of interest we thought we would list on the calendar.

first, solar installation work update. there have been questions about the different projects on hold or not. >> thank you. as you know, we have had one project that was a bit and not awarded which has been in a bed of limbo. that is the project to put solar on the roof at city hall and solar on the roof at davies symphony hall. we put that out as one big item. the work in wages is subject to regulation and oversight by the california department of industrial relations and subdivisions within that department. specifically, division of apprenticeship standards and the division of labor statistics and research. the division of apprenticeship standards recently released new apprenticeships guidelines that recognize a new occupation fatah vo-tech installer as a craft and

new apprenticeships opportunity. that was announced last week and we have been trying to collect information and better understand how it affects our projects. what i can report to you so far is that it is generally a positive good first-that will help the city help californians build a future work force for the photovoltaic industry, but it's just a first that. we sat down with members of the division of apprenticeship standards. just this morning, to understand what the going forward steps are. they indicated to us that they have received from unions and trade associations applications for apprenticeships programs. seven distinct applications have been submitted and they are anticipating one more. it will take between six months to one and half years to approve these programs for this new classification.

between the six months to one- and-a-half years before there would be anyone to employ at a job site under this new occupation. out of the seven applications to establish this new program, three applicants would be establishing apprenticeship programs here in northern california. electrical workers, abc golden gate chapter, a non-union association, and the northern california glaciers have all submitted applications. they are anticipating an eighth application, overall a fourth that would be able to do work in northern california from the roofers. that means that until these apprenticeship programs are improved by it -- are approved by the states, the local contractors and unions cannot use this photovoltaic installer for the city's near term solar projects. the recognition of the new

craft, this new occupation, does not include the setting of rates for wages and benefits for that occupation. that is a separate staff that a different part of industrial relations is responsible for -- that's the division of labor statistics and research. we understand that group may or may not issue separate prevailing wage setting actions. if they do, it will happen all along that same basic time frame. up to two years, they indicated. for our projects, that means the existing wage guidelines provided by the division of labor statistics and research will continue until this new craft is approved and any new wages are set. we were hoping that that action

would presents an opportunity to renew the dialogue on city hall and the davies solar project. we would like to go forward with say rebid to capture the hiring ordnance those projects could present to us. there are relatively small from the work hours perspective. the total projected hours are about 2485. the projected total cost for that labor is about 133,000. for those two projects, we had said not to exceed a bid price of $4 million. the one bid we did receive but did not act on was in the $2.7 million range. that gives a sense of how much labor is associated with that total contract. but we do think it is a good

opportunity to try to capture some of the higher ordnance requirements on a solar project. as i mentioned, we talked with some stakeholders' about what the meaning of this new finding from the state agencies is. we have talked with the state agencies itself -- themselves. it would also be constructive to talk to the labor folks involved. we have not had that opportunity yet. but it is time for us to issue the new bid. it won't present an opportunity to bring photovoltaic on to the job site, but that will take some time, perhaps up to one and a half years. with that, i'm happy to take any questions. >> the discussion was we put these contracts on hold -- we were hoping there would be more clarification that would involve some of that jurisdiction issues

but that does not seem to be forthcoming. the choice is simply to put things on hold forever or to go ahead with a local hire ordnance and at least have that part in place. to see how people could work out who does the work within san francisco. but it does not seem like us waiting longer would make that particularly clear in the near future. but i would love to hear any thoughts you have. president vietor: i'm still a little confused. a local hire ordnance, if we took that route, would work be able to begin or would we need to wait for the state to clarify the job issue? >> the clarification we got, this new apprenticeships opportunity indicates there will be a higher opportunity down the road at some point. it does not clarify or change any of the existing prevailing

wage ruling from the division of labor standards and statistics. we would have the opportunity to capture the local hire requirement, but that does not mean all of the other issues that were raised in concern within the community are gone. that is part of the reason why we are recommending further dialogue with community members and we will continue to speak with committee members. we met as a city family, if you will, with the state folks and we would like to sit down with the labor folks to salike it's e forward, putting this in the context of the other works the puc is doing. president vietor: best case scenario, when it we get moving? >> we could issue a bid package this month and it would go to the standard bid package process.

because our solar projects are done as design build, the first stretch of months for these projects will be designed and you won't see any construction occur. because davies has unique acoustic concerns, there's a very narrow window for performing construction and we would probably have to wait until the next october, not this coming, but the following october to do the construction work at that site at the earliest. commissioner courtney: with respect to davies and what was the other location? >> city hall. commissioner courtney: when the design phase is completed and workers are arriving at the job site, do you have any estimation about not what classification, but how many