, who is effectively the chief executive with millions in the budget, should get a substantial amount input in terms of what the priorities should be and how he or she wants to proceed over the medium, short, medium come ashore, and long term, so the items that you mentioned, commissioner -- short, medium -- short and long term, so the items that you mentioned, pet -- mentioned, commissioner kingsley, i think each of us has a different view over what is important, and that is what i would really look to leadership from the person who is accountable for making it all happen, and i unfortunate joined the commission just after you all worked so hard, but we saw that in just that six-month

period, due to evens out of our control, our agenda has changes, so given that, there has to be flexibility, and it is just my personal view that we have got to make sure that whoever the chief is will buy into the schedules, because it will be them. i am happy to add to the list of what people think of priorities, but i am not quite sure to say it is right to either set deadlines or such, but when the chief comes in, we can say that we have had a discussion. these are things that are important to us. what is important to you? that is my two cents, and i will leave it at that. vice president marshall: really quickly, there is one item we can take off, and that is the third tier on shooting moving

vehicles. secretary lt. falvey: we did it. vice president marshall: ok. commissioner hammer? commissioner hammer: i think what commissioner slaughter said, we reviewed a large number of candidates, and we referred names to the mayor, who hopefully soon will pick somebody, and then he or she can be in their leadership. i do think some of these items -- of the commission. for instance, surveillance activities. " -- whatever the next chief things of that, we have a duty, and especially, for instance, in the muslim community in san francisco for it to feel that it is not targeted, as it has dealt in the past. looking at our top priorities in accordance with the retreat,

commissioner kingsley, and perhaps when we have a chief, we can revisit it and get their input. i think we have enough were the target here and then maybe come back to this discussion. that is my suggestion. vice president marshall: commissioner dejesus? commissioner dejesus: i tend to agree with both commissioner slaughter and commissioner hammer. we have to be able to switch. i do think that there are some items that fall within the purview of this commission that we have to address. making sure that our policies are up to date. the surveillance it's a significant one, and that should be moved up to -- the

surveillance is a significant one, and that should be moved up so we can do those dgo's. unreal other hand, i do believe there are policy issues that the commission should address. vice president marshall: here is my question? how do we do this without having to retreat could i am comfortable with assigning a few, i am. commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: well, commissioner marshall, keeping in mind what all of the commissioners of expressed about working within the overall policy and structures, a

structure that we as a commission feel is important as well as retaining flexibility for items that come upped as well as keeping in mind that we will have a new chief at some point soon, i think that we can accomplish all of that in terms of honing in on what our red tier would be, as well as new items that we bring up tonight. perhaps we go item by item and have a vote if we need to get to that point in terms of getting items into that. vice president marshall: i am fine with a couple of folks

working on it. i do not know if you want to go through the whole list like we did at the retreat. assigning priorities, five or six things, continuing on to page two we could do it here, but i would be happy with a couple of folks working on it and then bringing it back. commissioner kingsley: one of the things is whether or not we agree with certain new things being added to the list, and this is something that commissioner slaughter raised, as well. new items. vice president marshall: i do not have any problem with foreign them in if they are still on commissioners' minds -- i do not have any problem with

throwing them in. commissioner: some are very high priority for me. whether they are red pr b;ie -- red or blue. secretary lt. falvey: -- commissioner slaughter: i think what commissioner marcia was suggesting is that we have a group go out to say, these are the 20 items, and put them into categories and come back in two weeks and say, "year is," rather than having a conversation where we have to get a debate. again, if people want to do with a different way, that is fine.

vice president marshall: suggestions to put on the list. commissioner: i was just looking for a speedy way to do this. commissioner kingsley: for us to take this list as well as any items that the commissioners want to add tonight, and then come back. vice president marshall: ok. done. all right. then public comment on item number four? seeing none, the tennis, please call item no. 6. -- seeing none, a lieutenant.

secretary lt. falvey: item number six, public comment on all matters pertaining to item 8 below, closed session, and public comment on whether or not to hold item eight in closed session. vice president marshall: item number 7. secretary lt. falvey: item number seven, to move into closed session. vice president marshall: without objection. we will move into closed session. secretary lt. falvey: item eight will be in closed session. b vice president marshall: can you call item no. 9?

secretary lt. falvey: item number nine, disclosed item 8. vice president marshall: a motion? please call the next item. secretary lt. falvey: the next item is adjournment. vice president marshall.: we are injured.

supervisor kim: good afternoon and welcome to rules committee, our special meeting for march 31. to my left, i have supervisor farrell and to my right, supervisor elsbernd. we only have one item we are considering today. >> the item on our agenda today is listed to go before the full board on tuesday april 12, unless otherwise stated. item one, hearing to consider appointing one member, term ending february 1, 2017, to the ethics commission. there is one seat and three applicants. supervisor kim: thank you. are all three applicants

submitting their applications today? did you hear from any of the applicants? has anybody withdrawn? >> i have not received any notification, but i can check with our office to see whether or not anybody has withdrawn. supervisor kim: that would be great. we heard two weeks ago from two of our applicants, dorothy liu and allen grossman. they have already presented, and we have had a chance and opportunity to ask questions. i wonder of my colleagues would like to ask questions of our candidates. seeing none, we will open up for public comment. if you have comments on applicants, please line up. please make clear if you are in support or opposition of an applicant. helps us when we draft our

minutes. >> i am in support of allen grossman. i am a resident of district 6. the reasons i support him are as follows -- when supervisor kim proposed three questions to each of the candidates, he answered them in a fashion that i think promotes good governance. he is for video recordings of the ethics commission's. he is for all office visits being documented, even in the calendars of government officials. when he was asked what the debate -- biggest issue ethics has, he talked about their need to enforce more open government because with open government, you have good government. i can tell you personally, working with him on different issues at city hall, with obstacles, but meetings, there are many times that i have

gotten up the next morning, open my e-mail, and found a memo from him coming up with a solution to the problem we experienced the previous night. basically, that is the work ethic he has asked a retired business lawyer. i think one of the values he has coming to this is that he is retired and he has time to spend on the issue. it is a very complicated role, and he has the time and knowledge and background to do it. he also cares deeply about these issues. he does not have to deal with the issues of full-time jobs that other applicants have to deal with. also, he does not have -- if he is working for a firm, the firm is not going to potentially receive benefits by the fact that he is a member of that firm.

ultimately, the representative on ethics should represent people, and i think allen grossman is the best candidate. >> good afternoon, supervisors. i'm here again to support mr. grossman. you probably remember my public comments from several weeks ago, so i will not repeat them, but in the interim, the city attorney has characterized the sunshine task force as a kangaroo court and out to get -- terminate city employees. those outrageous statements make it imperative that you support mr. grossman on the ethics committee so that he can attempt to enforce orders of determination. thank you.

>> good afternoon. i am chairman of the sunshine ordinance task force, speaking parley as chairman of the task force and partly as an individual. regarding the remarks made by the previous speaker, the city attorney has not issued any statement regarding the task force. those remarks came from the city attorney's press spokesman, and mr. dorsey has told me and told the sfbaycitcitizencolumnist.or that those remarks are coming from him as a city employee, said they are not to be reflected in any way of the city attorney's position. regarding the appointment to the ethics commission, i wish to reiterate my strong support for allen grossman.

he has been immensely helpful to the task force in a couple of areas, one of them dealing with the ethics commission, and i think he would be an outstanding member of the ethics commission. thank you. >> good afternoon, supervisors. i am here to support allen grossman. i work for the ethics commission for over nine years. one of the commission's most important duties is protection, and during my time there, i was compelled to expose repeated violations by staff with limited by a license, the commission has not been receptive to such whistleblowing. since i have witnessed crimes being committed to the fulfillment of the agency's mandate, once i tell you today

that it is imperative that the of what may be a dedicated, independent, demonstrated advocate for good government, not a play along, get along political insider who's professional location consists of achieving positions of managers in employment hierarchy. dorothy liu is a friend of supervisor chiu and julius turman is a friend of supervisor wiener. only allen grossman is independent. i can think of no better or relevant examples than successfully suing ethics to compel it to comply with the very laws it is supposed to safeguard, such as mr. grossman has done.

two candidates have both made campaign contributions to one or more cities -- sitting supervisors. this choice presents an opportunity for each supervisor to proudly show the public that boded to appoint a truly independent watchdog who will hold even you accountable -- showed the public that you voted to appoint a truly independent watchdog. >> good afternoon, supervisors. district 6 resonant, north mission homeowner. i cannot think of a better way for a citizen to express their political -- can we [inaudible] it is difficult to concentrate year. it will be nice to know that before public comment, to see if we should address mr. turman or not. >> office did receive written notification from julius turman

requesting that her application be withdrawn. >> what we have is an individual who has put his money on the line to be sure that the laws in the city and county are faithfully executed. i understanding is the board president expressed concern about this, as if the third branch of the government is irrelevant, as if following the law is optional. in this case, the law was not followed. the city attorney was compelled to settle. i find it strange that my friend matt dorsey make comments to the press to this effect. actually referred to them as wallace, and he is acting as spokesperson for a member of the bar. that is problematic when both the city and county in pop -- in all its forms are its client. there should be a process where under sunshine, all of these claims are exposed. if someone is bringing forth a for claim, that should be heard in the body. that will send a signal back.

that is how checks and balances were. but those checks and balances have been short circuit. the ethics commission is a mess. it has systematically tried to alienated key political natural supporters who want to see open government, by bringing everybody for small amounts of finance. that is not what we want to see. we want to see the ethics commission actually supporting government that is open and honest. that is what we will see these contracts go to the right place. we saw a situation where a waiver was granted for tony hall to go to treasure island. one says political use was exhausted their, the commission decided to hit him with major finds right before he decided to run for mayor here the upshot was he was found to have not committed for what they said he did. perjury went down in those proceedings. yet the district attorney never prosecuted. we do not have a commission that is going to stand up and insist

laws be followed, that integrity be respected, that tampering with evidence and perjury not be accepted in those proceedings. i believe mr. grossman comes with those qualifications. ms. liu mentioned that she wanted to be a team player. we need a coach, not a team player. this will be a test for all of you all, to see where you stand on critical issues of go -- of open government. thank you. >> [inaudible] supervisor kim: excuse me. is there any public comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is now closed. i want to thank our applicants for coming back again today. both mr. grossman and ms. liu.

thank you for allowing rules committee to continue this item with there being a last-minute applicants hear all the now, it seems he has withdrawn his application. so we are back to square one. colleagues, any comments or a motion? >> i'm sorry mr. turman withdrew his application. would have been interested on his thoughts. we had two solid candidates. we have one solid spots. i believe in reviewing those applications and thinking about the hearing and thinking about the next six years. i think our best candidate and the person who could best represent the ethics commission

would be ms. liu, and i would like to put in a motion to send her name forward as our nominee. , i agree with supervisor elsbernd. we have two amazing candidates, both of whom have contributed a lot to the city and have done a lot of amazing work. i want to thank you for your time because this is a commission that involves time commitment and dedication and does some very important work around local government, as many of the folks have said in public comment, and i think both of you will serve very well on our ethics commission. after having taken some time to consider to every zero weeks ago in the hearings and some of the letters of support we have gotten from our office and hearing from folks that have supported both candidates, i have also -- you know, given that we have one spot open, i am committed to supporting ms.

dorothy liu as well. >> [inaudible] this is a tough one for me as well. i had a chance to sit down with both candidates, speak for quite awhile, and i do think we are blessed that we have two really strong candidates today. [inaudible] he reminded me, a bump into him on the campaign trail [inaudible] that all being said, understanding the way [inaudible] what i would say is i want to support mrs. liu here today [inaudible] but i want to say, mr. grossman, i respect your desire to serve here, and if there is another committee [inaudible] with that, i would support the

motion. supervisor kim: 90. we had a motion to move forward with dorothy liu for the ethics commission to the full board. without objection. >> excuse me, supervisor, would you like to send this to the full board as committee report? dorothy liu -- supervisor kim: yes, i would. i believe the next ethics commission meeting is coming up soon in april, and i know that ms. hanson, who has been a wonderful commissioner, was only able to serve through the end of february, so they have one vacancy. if we could move it forward as the committee report, that would be great. supervisor kim: great. motion forward with positive recommendation for ms. dorothy liu. this item is now closed. thank you to the members of the public for coming today. this meeting is now adjourn. before that, quickly, i want to

thank sfgovtv for taping the session today with transcriptions available for members of the public. thank you. meeting adjourned.

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