chief gas gone and chief -- chief gascon and chief godown. the numbers the strongest -- the weakest -- the numbers better than they have been sips i've been on the commission. i want to make that clear. that misperception is when new commissioners come, we'll fick the backlog. well, the baglog is down. commissioner kingsley: commissioner mazzucco, thank you for mentioning that. that has not been unrecognized in all the discussions. president mazzucco: i understand that. commissioner slaughter: i didn't have anything to do with the procedural rules and getting our discipline rules for procedural

rules we owe commissioner hammer a debt of gratitude for doing that. i have only been on the commission six months, but discipline is broke. my few of the process is -- commissioner dejesus, we are glad you want to be involved. i don't think it is fair to anybody. it could down the line require charter amendments, but there is nothing -- other cities in california do it in drastically different ways. i think we need to consider whether there might be other ways that deal with discipline that are more efficient.

it is my view much how it works. if there are ways we can do it, and if charter amendments are a hassle and you -- if we can make a compelling case i think we ought to consider it. commissioner kingsley: commissioner slaughter you were out when we -- commissioner slaughter: i apologize. commissioner kingsley: no, i wanted to clarify and bring you up to date with this as well. i know you expressed an interest on day one with this. the chief has offered to arrange a meeting with members of the commission that are working on this with folks in los angeles to look at their system. because it works well for l.a. again, not in mind of transporting that system to san francisco, but just to take a look at how another city does it and does it efficiently and effectively. maybe there are pieces that can be borrowed and applied in san

francisco. so i know that that's an important issue to you. >> i appreciate it. thank you. >> commissioner hammer. i know we're getting late tonight. commissioner hammer: i know we're getting late tonight, but but the docket is half of what it was over a year ago. it was a crisis at one point. i don't think it is a crisis anymore. we can always do better. i think it is useful, and i think we should agendize it to talk about what a subcommittee is going to do. my understanding was more like commissioner dejesus' was that to ensure it was within the law. did i most of the work along with ms. blitz, the unsung hero back there. she worked very hard on a set of revigs which i think helped, and these more recent ones are a

minor tweak. and then we will vote on those. a thought we had a subcommittee to keep looking into better tweaks of the system. if we are going to empower subcommittees or groups, we should talk about that openly. i don't think that was the idea of this committee. i'm open to it, but we should talk about that if we're going to empower the three of us to do that. i would suggest at this point because we're going into the next agenda item, is that we agendize a thoughtful agenda. i think it is creeping beyond what the intention was. that's my suggestion. commissioner kingsley: commissioner hammer i think that's a good suggestion. i wanted this discussion to take place with the whole commission. but also i think it is important to have discussions with the most important commone --

components of this to find out what's work and what could be working better in terms of a new systems and system and the refiguring or retooling of our existing system and that's why these preliminary discussion rs taking place with the idea of then coming back to the commission. when we finally get it agendized. to, you know, focus in on a gameplan. dr. marshall? vice president marshall: what is the committee doing now? we have you can agendize to open up the purpose of the committee, but i don't see why it can't continue doing what it is doing. let the committee do what it is doing.

president mazzucco: commissioner hammer, i'm getting looks from the -- that we've really gone far astray. commissioner hammer: i think it is important that we have a brief conversation about that. not that any of us stop doing what we're doing but that we're of one mind about what this commission is going to do. commissioner chan: i agree with commissioner hammer we should clarify. president mazzucco: ok. we'll put that in the agenda. let's move on to commission announcements and scheduling of

items identified for consideration at future commission meetings. any commission announcements? commissioner hammer: no. president mazzucco: i think we have discussed this at issue so we can look at the perceptions of the community and provide them with facts and a response to the perceptions and allegations. i think we owe it to the communities and the officers assigned to the jttf. we need to have a meeting, not a prolonged meeting about this, but a meeting where we put all the cards on the table that can be put out there. with that in mind, there is talk about having community meetings. we have had a lot of community meetings during the chief's selection process. i have been advised richmond station cannot get it together in time for the filing? >> we had a one-day notice and

there was a 15-day retirement. the other people weren't available. >> the day we picked for that? zwr we were looking at april 20. >> my suggestion is that either april 20 or april 27 we have a joint meeting with the human rights commission. >> 27th we have a large discipline case. >> do i have an agreement? >> i'm not here that day. i know it is my fault i'm not here that day. but if it is possible to have it , that would be great. we should also check in with some of the community members to see if that day works for them. we can do it off line. president mazzucco: let's do that promised executive director sparks i -- we would do that. let's put that on for the 20th for our agenda to discuss what the subcommittee is going to be made up of and what the goals

are. the target for working toward a complete charter amendment and working in other areas frequent in los angeles or is it more of a tweaking of the rules we have been tweaking which have sped up the process. again, we want participation from the o.c.c., the p.o.a., because i know no matter what we do, there will be a push to move things along. let's schedule that for the 20th. commissioner hammer, your advice on that? >> i think it's fine. >> commissioner chan? commissioner hammer: i actually had something else. you were asking me a question. i wanted to add something about future meetings. are you fine with the 20th, commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: absolutely. commissioner hammer: because she is was taking the lead on that. i would ask maybe next week during the chief's report that we sh have a brief update on the

status as far as allegations surrounding videotapes, et cetera, et cetera. we have talk bd it all. president mazzucco: commissioner chan? commissioner chan: i second that, too. i wanted to ask if this group is ok with giving an award to some of the groups involved with dealing with the gang violence issues. these groups worked in close collaboration with the chief to deal with gang violence on a real basis. i think we should recognize that work. if it is ok with inch, i will

work offer -- if that's ok with everyone, i will offer that off line. president mazzucco: p.m. 7-2. . -- president mazzucco: item 7-d. we'll open it up ot public. >> i would like to discuss item 7-d. i have here the homicide data year to date. i'm not sure if i am reading it correctly. i don't work with the sfpd. i'm not a commissioner. it says 19 hom sides. 122010.

-- 12 for 2010. are we exploding to the up-side in homicides? and two, on the data here, it is not clear what it said in terms of the number of solved homicides. maybe the clearance rate is the solving rate. i don't know. two, the data related to gangs doesn't seem consistent with what is taking place in the media. you only have one latin gang member that shot somebody? we have a trial going on just monday, multiple murders over the past decade. i'm asking these queezeques. i don't know. -- i'm asking these questions, i don't know. i think on the future agenda on a monthly basis, there should be

a discussion about the murder rate solved and unsolved in the city and county of san francisco. so we know about it. >> i know one of the ride rs -- i know one of the authors watches these programs and seems to come up with a great article. maybe he can come up with the solve rate. i know one of the speakers that spoke said there was a shortage of investigators? 12 vs. 16? don't quote me on that. that we don't have enough police investigators. that with can't solve these crimes? what's going on here. does anyone have information related to that? they don't have enough smart investigators to do the job or

they are being bowled over by the number of murders in the city? i would like to know. i think a lot of people would like to know exactly what the murder rate in the city is, who is getting murdered, who what murders are getting solved. thank you. >> any further public comment? hearing none. >> item 8 is public comment on all matters pertaining to item 10 below. closed session for disciplinary cases, including a public comment on whether to hold item 10 in closed session. >> any comment on the closed session disciplinary session? hearing none. >> item 9 is a vote on whether to hold item 10 in closed session. >> a vote? closed session.

[at 8:14 p.m. the meeting went into closed session]