i am a staff attorney and i wanted to follow up on a few of john's points. in 1996 it was the first time the f.b.i. approached san francisco to join what was then not called the joint terrorism task force but was similar to it. when the f.b.i. asked san francisco this they say you have to follow our rules. mayor willie brown said in 1997 absolutely not. we are not giving you our resources so that you can follow your rules. if you use our resources you will follow our rules, particularly with regard to intelligence gathering. then in 2002 san francisco ended up joining the joint terrorism task force as did many towns across the tunt. there is a specific language

for making sure that police officers followed 8.10, followed local rules and guidelines. our reading of the m.o.u. that came out on monday as my colleague pointed out is that f.b.i. practices and f.b.i. guidelines are in effect for san francisco officers who follow the joint terrorism task force and our concern is not violation of local 8.10 but violation of the state california constitution which has a strong right to privacy. as john said, if this is in fact that our reading is correct, and i should add that our reading is backed up by my meeting with special agent in charge stephanie douglas who confirmed the officers follow federal guidelines and not local law, if that is correct this m.o.u. was signed without your authority. and your role and your

authority of this commission was in fact undermined. i understand that you can't act on this tonight and i really appreciate the comments that this will be discussed and addressed at a later date and you are very much behind the community. we really, really appreciate that. i wanted to lay it out for the other commissioners and say it is being discussed robustly in portland by the f.b.i. and the city. f.b.i. saying we can write an m.o.u. that accommodates state privacy law and your concerns. we hope the same thing is possible here in san francisco. finally on behalf of the asion law cacous and aclu we never said that we do not want sfpd to gather intelligence. we think that these things

cannot be done in a manner in violation of state law and local policy and that stands contrary to the powers granted police in a free society. thank you for your consideration. >> after the next speaker i will explain where we are at with this. i will do that to put everybody at ease here. >> you mentioned portland. i think for the commission's sake it is my understanding that portland pulled their police officers out of the joint terrorism task force because there is the issue about security clearance and they did not want them violating any of their local rules. now there is -- >> it is a very open dialogue. i flew up to portland to watch it in february because it was so open. the f.b.i. flew out their general counsel and did a power

point presentation. all available on their website. it was a very robust public discussion. >> getting a nod from the city attorney we are deviating from procedure and protocol. next speaker. >> good evening commissioners. i am the executive director of the san francisco bay area counselor on relations, c.a.r.e. i wanted to highlight a couple of briefcase stories. the human aspect highlights the problem. two are from the bay area and one from southern california. all three alleged involvement by local p.d. violating california constitutional rights. in the first one my client insisted that he would like to have an attorney present for any conversations with the

police officer. and the police officer continued to return to him saying i don't want to work with your attorney undermining the trust between that local police department and the client. that is one incident. in the second incident we had a young man with a g.p.s. tracking device placed on his car, seeing it was a larger operation by local law enforcement and the f.b.i. again it was a warrantless search conducted by local police undermining trust with local police under guise of working with the joint terrorism task force. and the third one which is the one we know for sure that local police officers were involved in the operation is a story out of southern california where a man continued to visit a mosque for 14 months engaging in provocative behavior in that the mosque sought a retraining order against the individual later to learn he had been sent in by the local operation to

spy on that muslim community. all three of the stories involve muslim individuals who are of arab or south asian decent and raise concerned about the police officers undering under the guise of the joint terrorism task force and i share these stories because i think it is important to understand that when we are talking about policy and who signed what and what it means keep in mind the people impacted by this and the fear created in the community and the long-term impact in terms of under mining the relationship making community policing less and less a possibility. >> thank you. >> at some point tonight i will be asking the commission to schedule a joint hearing with the human rights commission. this is supported by the mayor. just for the record myself, the chief and commander mahoney met

with teresa sparks, our former president of the police commission and now the executive director of the human rights commission. we met with their council. the reason for the meeting is specifically in response to the release of this m.o.u. between the f.b.i. and the san francisco police department. and i will state for the record that people read paragraph five of page 5 a little differently saying out that the officers are subject to their rules and regulations. it does get murky in the second half of the paragraph but i can tell you the answer to that question is very simple and there is no hiding the ball here. commander mahoney has run that unit since 2004 and made it perfectly clear that our officers, if there is a conflict, they respond to general order 8.10. our general order. we want to get it out there. we will answer the question tonight. but we are go to have a joint

meeting with the commission's approval with the human rights commission the next two or three weeks. i was go to raise that down the road. i want to let you know that we are not violating 8.10 and commander mahone sepresent tonight. he answered that question. we will do a hearing. a lot of this is about perception. we have to feel strongly about perception. the stories he told us are very important and it is ayodele cat balance between public safety and protecting the rights of all of our inhabitants. i understand why there is concern. i worked for the department of justice headed by alberto gonzalez. i can see why there is doubt and concern. but keep in mind the good men and women of this police department follow 8.10 and don't violate the constitution. those that assigned to the task

force are the cream of the crop and respect everybody's constitutional rights. i think it is important that the public gets a handle on this tonight that there is nothing to be concerned about and we are going to work with you. >> i don't want to have an extended conversation about it and i know it is not in the agenda, but there are things in the press today people are fearful of. people are not crazy to think what they are thinking. i don't want to go in-depth but when we bring it up tonight i want to address some of the comments that are leaving smart people to be fearful about what is going on. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> >> i want to talk about a word called transparency.

there was an article in the newspaper about a police officer brought up on charges for hanging around with a transgender. not relevant. we have a lieutenant at the airport who forged $14,000 worth of overtime, she gets transferred to the airport. no charges are brought. no charges are brought. not a word is said. every cop i spoke to because i know a lot of cops. how come she is innocent jail? that is up to the police commission. i think we need to look into that. transparency is honesty and openness. an officer terminated last week. i know the details. i won't go public with it. i won't go public but why doesn't the public know about it? when and if a small percentage of our officers.

we have a small percent. when and if they mess up, the public needs to be knowing about it. hey, we handled it, disciplined him, terminated him or her in the best interest of the public. when the press doesn't pick it up, the general public, never going to beat the system. i know there are laws probably more complicated than i am smart enough to know that the officers are protected by. when a police officer's name can be public in every name and charge he had, but when you get lieutenant her name, you can't say the word. have a nice evening.

>> commissioners, good evening. i have stated in the past i have been a resident of this county for 41 years. i am go to follow up on two items here this evening. one, i talked about it about a week ago. i have eight points i have laid out. i will read them very quickly to you. the lola, genda for the year and have it distributed. have your local beat police hand out flyers for stores in commercial windows in advance of the time and the date of these hearings. put flyers at super markets for public discussion. put posters and dates and times on the sides of police cars and a huge banner in front of the hall of justice. put posters on the side of

police vans. the chronicle puts giants announcement dates on the side of their trucks. on the week of the hearing ask for free time on tv and radio station asking the mayor to announce times and dates of the week. your attendance on a relative basis is low, even though you have more meetings than the sfmta which ducks out on meetings. i have seven copies of the letter. very quickly i want to bring up the fact that i have been analyzing the budget for the sfpd for the past 12 months and have my own input into it. all of the talk that there are a bunch of problems is nonsense. you look at the surrounding counties, they are solving their budget problems by

outsourcing various jobs, clerk jobs, $14-16 an hour. if you put half the people sitting in the chairs at the hall of justice on the feet you wouldn't miss any missing students at the amber academy. you wouldn't need anymore policemen. this city is top heavy with commanders and lieutenants at salaries of $175,000 to $200,000 per year that matches their pension and goes up at the same rate as their salary. that has to come to an end. and by outsourcing, it will come to an end. that is my proposal coming into the budget in 2012. unless you do something about it you will be part of this city's bankruptcy and payroll. thank you for your time. >> any further public comment?

hearing none call line item five. >> discussion and possible action to adopt revised police commission procedural rules governing mental health board and the memphis police department. >> captain goldberg is coming up because he is our first v.i.p. coordinator for san francisco. we wanted to make sure that we recognized the hard work of the san francisco mental health board you have done for over 10 years now in training our officers on crisis intervention and the work you have done in training over 900 officers. i know that there is a lot of time and dedication to do so and i wanted to recognize that

you built the foundation to move to the next stage of rolling out the model in san francisco and really helped make that happen through your hard work and dedication for such a long time. >> thank you. i wish to express the board's recognition of the police crisis intervention training, the board members and staff in collaboration with the san francisco police department since may 2001. training nearly 1,000 officers. we believe that this training provided useful information and tools to police officers, communication between police department and community problems and increased the number of effective interactions between police officers and people with mental illness. i would also like to commend the police commission,

especiallyly commissioner chen for reinstating this crisis training that was cancelled in june 2010. a crisis intervention team that will provide extra training and in charge of going out on calls involved with people with mental illness. thank you. >> if you wanted to say anything. >> no doctors, thank you very much for recognizing the board. many of the board members have terms like all of the commissions, there have been probably 30 board members that have come and spoken on the family member consumer panel, going out to the training and spent that time and really committed to it. we actually in july recognized

over 57 people who were the speakers or they hosted visits at the cites or spoke at these panels. i really applaud you for the work you are doing now. it is fabulous. >> thank you. congratulations. captain goldberg. >> to a partnership we are using now to this next level of training and it is fortunate acknowledge the members that went through the training, over 900 members out there for 10 plus years and utilized this training and service to the community. truly it was a great partnership then and a great

partnership moving forward. >> the next award, the recipient is not here. they are in memphis. the commissioners are signing it. it is an award to the memphis police department as well as checking out san francisco with little notice, came out to spend two days here. they have hosted us now twice. first ayodelegation of 4-5 members of the police department and 15 folks organizing 15 ride looks which took up a significant amount of police resources and treating

us extremely well. the work they have done since the 1980's, not only in memphis but in over 1,500 other cities throughout the country and also the world is amazing. i think that it is great that is the next stage in our work. i want to make sure that we thank them. i heard that some of the members of the memphis police department watched back our commission hearing. we are quite entertained by our democracy here in san francisco and how diverse our community is. i think they will watch this back. i want to thank the memphis police department. the c.i.t. center in memphis. we will be mailing this award to them. >> the real test is if they adopt something we do. >> they warned us that different cities that different cities come up with amazing versions of c.i.t. that they go

and steal back. so, it is a dialogue. >> just as long as they don't look at us as a case study every wednesday night. >> thank you for handling the award. see to it that the grad tude and recognition gets out. >> thanks. i can talk more about memphis as we get into our next public line item. >> let's move to line item number four, which i have been looking forward to. >> report back pursuant to resolution 11-18, resolution to enhance the san francisco police department's response to incidents involving individuals with mental health needs. >> thank you for the commission 's time. so what this is, the resolution that this commission unanimously passed back in

february requires that the c.i.t. working group is formed. and that there is a c.i.t. coordinator and that we come up with a timeline. it is a significant undertake to roll it out. i am go to explain the timeline to this commission. i am going to have captain goldberg and several members of the c.i.t. working group speak and share my experience of going to memphis. i saw amazing things in person. the way the timeline is breaking down and captain goldberg will go into how it is go to happen. from march, april and may, the c.i.t. working group has been working hard. we met four or five times for an hour and a half or two hours each and it is up to 30 members of the c.i.t. working group. we have four doctors we are privileged to have. the major mental health service providers in the city, it is an

amazing group. they are working hard and broken up to develop training to post and develop the c.i.t. job announcement so that folks in the department can apply for the c.i.t. program and then they are also talking about data collection and how to analyze data so we can see how it impacts our community and department. then moving on from september to december will be the rest of the training. and our goal, just a working draft, this is ideal what will happen, our goal is to launch c.i.t. in all districts by the end of this year, in december. that would mean this c.i.t. working group would give eight

trainings total. those eight trainings would result in a fourth of our patrol division being trained on c.i.t. with that i will hand it over to captain goldberg and thank you for your hard work and sense of adventure in taking this on because i know it is new and hard and interesting. >> thank you very much. i think it is important to set the basis to go through the remarks and remind everyone here that they were both adamant that this is not a loument program. it is a community program. and it is making things better. and in fact i think it has made things better. i think to sit in on the working group, to feel the energy there, to feel the sense of collaboration and the willingness for people to put their differences and agendas aside and work for a better

mental health system, to some degree the process has been a tremendous success and all of the people in the working group should be very proud of that. that is the first step. there are a lot of challenges in moving it forward. first will be budgetary for the police department and state and local government, nonprofits. everyone will feel the hurt. there are a lot of challenges moving forward. there are a lot of moving parts. it is a program for the community. with that trying to get everyone's schedules and issues in and trying to get them to work is a challenge. it is starting out slowly, but i think we are picking up the speed. the movement is there. we are moving in the way that we need to move so i am confident we will move forward. as far as the timeline for the summer goes, the idea to move the program slowly and

thoughtfully and to build upon successes, so the goal is to train the first group of officers, put them to work handling calls within their district. recognizing that there is limited capacity with 25 officers, recognizing we can't handle everything. our job as the c.i.t. working group will be to support them and learn from them. find out what works, what does not work, what training can be improved. what additional training they need and what other hurdles they have in working their way through the mental health system and giving them the types of help they need, getting them the treatment that they might need. so, one month in june, we will see how it works. adjust the training. meet with a working group. try to make fixes and move on

to the next one in july, august, same thing. as we learn and as we build upon our successes the goal is to build upon the capacity to do it. three pilot stations, they haven't been formally identified. the thought is to jump off of the mental health board's work with districts with high volumes of service with people in crisis would be to use the southern place with high volumes of calls. >> we are also going to have sandra from the o.c.c. speak

about the delegation to memphis with the focus on the training curriculum. >> good evening. i was part of the contingent that went to memphis two times. i was thrilled to be able to do this. the second trip our working group had a great time to talk about their own c.i.t. training and all of the curriculum they developed throughout the country it. enabled to us meet with several of their own instructors. for example we met with structurors from the v.a. hospital that they do the traumatic brain injury components. this was really informative because they have a strong link with their v.a. hospital and they put us in contact so we

are able to taylor the train to the special needs we have within our operations. the committee is a very enenthusiastic group. we have been meeting. today was a meeting where captain barrett came. we have representatives from ucsf, emergency services, from door clinic, department of public health, mental health association and then of course the training division from the police academy. we have huge challenges. we are really excited. the benefit we have is that we are able to look at the things we know would be best for san francisco. so, part of our priority and part of our goal is to have hands on very interactive training that specifically prioritizes the deescalation sk