and 10 are doing that. it happened with the newsletter. one captain started the news letter and it went from there. i think everyone is aware of what everyone else is doing. so they are trying to come uniquely with their own way to address crime problems. >> i appreciate the effort to reach those that don't speak glitch as a primary language. i also wanted to ask for the flier. is that available to folks in the public? >> the lieutenant a couple weeks ago went to colorado and was talking to a police officer there and he realized in colorado they were doing this. then he came home and said we need to do something similar to this, create it it hasn't been created yet. but if it is created and we like

it we will market it, put it on the web side, and the captain could go to community meetings and talk about t i'm announcing it, but it is still in the infancy stages as far as that idea. >> great. thank you. >> commissioner kingsley. commissioner kingsley: thank you for jury terrific report, demander. -- commander. 92% of vehicles stolen were recovered? yes. commissioner kingsley: what would the stix be around arrests associated with the -- statistics be around arrests associated with the recovery? >> most of the cars that are stolen, 108.51 would be joy riding as opposed tom grand-theft auto. microsoft most of your high-end

cars, they will steal them and ship them overseas and sell them. the 92% recovery rate accounts for cars stolen but left on the corner and someone calls and tells us us. the recovery rate is high because a majority of those cars are driven from point a to point b. the arrest rate is not nearly that percentage. right, david? >> that's right. as a mat per of fact -- this year, ought he theft we've had year-to-date 1,031 auto thefts. and we have had 84 arrests year to date. that gives you kind of an idea. many cars are be abandoned, basically. >> your report was not only educational as far as commissioners, and i thank you for that, but there are a number of people, viewers that are unseen participants tonight, and i think it was a terrific

educational feed for them, and it will promote the prevention component of your work. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> any further comment? commander lazar, thank you for helping them. >> thank you very much. >> line item b, please. >> the occ director's report. should >> president mazzucco, chief godown, members of the audience, there are no recent activities to report from the o.c.c. this evening. we are engaged in many activities but no report this evening. i will provide the commission with the march statistics the week after next. that will be april 20th, i believe. >> great. thank you, director hicks. >> you're welcome. >> that was a great report.

>> i'm glad you appreciate it. >> i sure do, tonight. >> had line item c, the commission reports and the commission president's report. >> we spoke about human rights and about scheduling a meeting we had set considering there is not availability of a community center. we will do a joint meeting with the commission regarding the commission with the issues raised tonight and to alleviate any concerns about san francisco police officers in terms of their work with the joint terrorism task force. we had that meeting. commissioners with further reports? commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: just reporting in on our work toward possibly revamping the discipline case procedure.

this week melt with -- met with the department, chief godown, commander mahoney as well as lieutenant reilly. i think it was a fruitful discussion, and this week it is going to be with the p.o.a. tomorrow. and again at this particular juncture, it is a matter of finding out, you know, what's working and what could be working better with the possible , you know, overarching, revamping of the procedure. at the meeting with the department, the chief offered to arrange a visit for us to the lapd to meet with folks there regarding their process. and just as a point of clarification, it is not with the eye toward replicating what

they are doing there, but rather with the intent to visit to find out, you know, what they are doing as a whole scomprks what elements of that might be -- might fit with san francisco, san francisco practices, cultures, objectives, and so on. and i imagine that commissioner hammer is going inform participate in that trip. chief, i don't know how many. i know we are limited by nature to three. but i appreciate your arranging for that trip. if a third person is ape able to attend, if there are any other commissioners interested, i know at one point commissioner slaughter expressed an interest. his chair is empty at the moment, but that's, you know, a possibility, too. so that's -- just wanted to

bring you up to date on that. president mazzucco: thank you. commissioner commissioner dejesus:. -- commissioner dejesus. commissioner dejesus: i'm not clear on what you are talking b i must have missed a meeting whether that was appointed. i'm not sure what you're looking into. kipskins let's clarify that point. -- commissioner kingsley: let's clarify that point. back in january when we were all grappling with certain aspects of the discipline process, chief gascon indicated that there were aspects of our process that were come bersome as a whole for the department and for the parties involved as well.

a few of us looked into revamping the discipline case as a whole. that's what this exploration is about. to check with o.c.c. department, p.o.a., and the city attorney, with the guidance of the city attorney around the entire discipline case process as opposed to what commissioner slaughter has been working on, which is specifically the procedures in the hearing for -- you know, by the commission. specifically. so there is some overlap here, but the revamping is larger than just the procedures themselves. commissioner dejesus: so i guess i wasn't here. i had my trial in january. are we talking about take the charter out of the commission's

hands hands and turn it into commission officers? are we talking about that kind of thing? commissioner kingsley: i don't think -- at least the discussions i've had so far it is not leaning in the direction toward removing the role that the commission plays in the discipline process, but i do think that, you know, part of the exploration is to find out if it makes sense to have more authority and more power to the chief or within the department. i do think it is part of the exploration. i do think that anybody anticipates necessarily a change in the role of the o.c.c., for example. i think that that is well established and, you know, well defined and director hicks and i, we spoke about, you know,

from the o.c.c.'s perspective about what can be tweaked to work better in the process from the o.c.c. perspective and we're moving onto the department and this week with the p.o.a. so at this point it is an explore tri process to see what we can do to make the entire system work better so that we're never in the situation of being -- of looking at cases that are years and years old. and seeing if the discipline process can work better in terms of an employer-employee situation as well. commissioner dejesus: i think i would like to sit on this committee. i thought we were doing procedures that were limiting hours. so there is no time frame. i would like to sit on this. i'm not sure what exactly you are doing, because i thought the rules and procedures were going to put that forward.

i thought the backlog was pretty much caught up with. as long as we get our procedures and follow procedures, that we're not going to have this kind of backlog. but thra there is something we cannot -- but there is something we cannot prevent, and that is when cases are taken to the appellate court. that's when the years and years goes into place because we have no control over the court system. president mazzucco: i want to make clear, there is no longer a backlog. our numbers are down significantly. there are ways to improve the system. i think it is a large improvement. i want to make sure it is clear our numbers are down substantially thanks to the hard work of the commission and thanks to the hard work of the chief gas gone and chief -- chief gascon and chief godown.

the numbers the strongest -- the weakest -- the numbers better than they have been sips i've been on the commission. i want to make that clear. that misperception is when new commissioners come, we'll fick the backlog. well, the baglog is down. commissioner kingsley: commissioner mazzucco, thank you for mentioning that. that has not been unrecognized in all the discussions. president mazzucco: i understand that. commissioner slaughter: i didn't have anything to do with the procedural rules and getting our discipline rules for procedural rules we owe commissioner hammer a debt of gratitude for doing that.

i have only been on the commission six months, but discipline is broke. my few of the process is -- commissioner dejesus, we are glad you want to be involved. i don't think it is fair to anybody. it could down the line require charter amendments, but there is nothing -- other cities in california do it in drastically different ways. i think we need to consider whether there might be other ways that deal with discipline that are more efficient. it is my view much how it works. if there are ways we can do it, and if charter amendments are a hassle and you -- if we can

make a compelling case i think we ought to consider it. commissioner kingsley: commissioner slaughter you were out when we -- commissioner slaughter: i apologize. commissioner kingsley: no, i wanted to clarify and bring you up to date with this as well. i know you expressed an interest on day one with this. the chief has offered to arrange a meeting with members of the commission that are working on this with folks in los angeles to look at their system. because it works well for l.a. again, not in mind of transporting that system to san francisco, but just to take a look at how another city does it and does it efficiently and effectively. maybe there are pieces that can be borrowed and applied in san francisco. so i know that that's an important issue to you. >> i appreciate it. thank you. >> commissioner hammer. i know we're getting late tonight.

commissioner hammer: i know we're getting late tonight, but but the docket is half of what it was over a year ago. it was a crisis at one point. i don't think it is a crisis anymore. we can always do better. i think it is useful, and i think we should agendize it to talk about what a subcommittee is going to do. my understanding was more like commissioner dejesus' was that to ensure it was within the law. did i most of the work along with ms. blitz, the unsung hero back there. she worked very hard on a set of revigs which i think helped, and these more recent ones are a minor tweak. and then we will vote on those. a thought we had a subcommittee to keep looking into better tweaks of the system.

if we are going to empower subcommittees or groups, we should talk about that openly. i don't think that was the idea of this committee. i'm open to it, but we should talk about that if we're going to empower the three of us to do that. i would suggest at this point because we're going into the next agenda item, is that we agendize a thoughtful agenda. i think it is creeping beyond what the intention was. that's my suggestion. commissioner kingsley: commissioner hammer i think that's a good suggestion. i wanted this discussion to take place with the whole commission. but also i think it is important to have discussions with the most important commone -- components of this to find out what's work and what could be working better in terms of a new systems and system and the refiguring or retooling of our

existing system and that's why these preliminary discussion rs taking place with the idea of then coming back to the commission. when we finally get it agendized. to, you know, focus in on a gameplan. dr. marshall? vice president marshall: what is the committee doing now? we have you can agendize to open up the purpose of the committee, but i don't see why it can't continue doing what it is doing. let the committee do what it is doing. president mazzucco: commissioner

hammer, i'm getting looks from the -- that we've really gone far astray. commissioner hammer: i think it is important that we have a brief conversation about that. not that any of us stop doing what we're doing but that we're of one mind about what this commission is going to do. commissioner chan: i agree with commissioner hammer we should clarify. president mazzucco: ok. we'll put that in the agenda. let's move on to commission announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration at future commission meetings. any commission announcements? commissioner hammer: no.

president mazzucco: i think we have discussed this at issue so we can look at the perceptions of the community and provide them with facts and a response to the perceptions and allegations. i think we owe it to the communities and the officers assigned to the jttf. we need to have a meeting, not a prolonged meeting about this, but a meeting where we put all the cards on the table that can be put out there. with that in mind, there is talk about having community meetings. we have had a lot of community meetings during the chief's selection process. i have been advised richmond station cannot get it together in time for the filing? >> we had a one-day notice and there was a 15-day retirement. the other people weren't available. >> the day we picked for that? zwr we were looking at april 20. >> my suggestion is that either

april 20 or april 27 we have a joint meeting with the human rights commission. >> 27th we have a large discipline case. >> do i have an agreement? >> i'm not here that day. i know it is my fault i'm not here that day. but if it is possible to have it , that would be great. we should also check in with some of the community members to see if that day works for them. we can do it off line. president mazzucco: let's do that promised executive director sparks i -- we would do that. let's put that on for the 20th for our agenda to discuss what the subcommittee is going to be made up of and what the goals are. the target for working toward a complete charter amendment and working in other areas frequent

in los angeles or is it more of a tweaking of the rules we have been tweaking which have sped up the process. again, we want participation from the o.c.c., the p.o.a., because i know no matter what we do, there will be a push to move things along. let's schedule that for the 20th. commissioner hammer, your advice on that? >> i think it's fine. >> commissioner chan? commissioner hammer: i actually had something else. you were asking me a question. i wanted to add something about future meetings. are you fine with the 20th, commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: absolutely. commissioner hammer: because she is was taking the lead on that. i would ask maybe next week during the chief's report that we sh have a brief update on the status as far as allegations surrounding videotapes, et cetera, et cetera.

we have talk bd it all. president mazzucco: commissioner chan? commissioner chan: i second that, too. i wanted to ask if this group is ok with giving an award to some of the groups involved with dealing with the gang violence issues. these groups worked in close collaboration with the chief to deal with gang violence on a real basis. i think we should recognize that work. if it is ok with inch, i will work offer -- if that's ok with everyone, i will offer that off

line. president mazzucco: p.m. 7-2. . -- president mazzucco: item 7-d. we'll open it up ot public. >> i would like to discuss item 7-d. i have here the homicide data year to date. i'm not sure if i am reading it correctly. i don't work with the sfpd. i'm not a commissioner. it says 19 hom sides. 122010. -- 12 for 2010. are we exploding to the up-side in homicides? and two, on the data here, it is not clear what it said in terms

of the number of solved homicides. maybe the clearance rate is the solving rate. i don't know. two, the data related to gangs doesn't seem consistent with what is taking place in the media. you only have one latin gang member that shot somebody? we have a trial going on just monday, multiple murders over the past decade. i'm asking these queezeques. i don't know. -- i'm asking these questions, i don't know. i think on the future agenda on a monthly basis, there should be a discussion about the murder rate solved and unsolved in the city and county of san francisco. so we know about it.

>> i know one of the ride rs -- i know one of the authors watches these programs and seems to come up with a great article. maybe he can come up with the solve rate. i know one of the speakers that spoke said there was a shortage of investigators? 12 vs. 16? don't quote me on that. that we don't have enough police investigators. that with can't solve these crimes? what's going on here. does anyone have information related to that? they don't have enough smart investigators to do the job or they are being bowled over by the number of murders in the city? i would like to know. i think a lot of people would like to know exactly what the murder rate in the city is, who

is getting murdered, who what murders are getting solved. thank you. >> any further public comment? hearing none. >> item 8 is public comment on all matters pertaining to item 10 below. closed session for disciplinary cases, including a public comment on whether to hold item 10 in closed session. >> any comment on the closed session disciplinary session? hearing none. >> item 9 is >>

have a motion whether or not to disclose the matters in closed session? do i have a second? all in favor? public comment? next item, please? new i have a motion? thanks, everybody.

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