bit earlier than that, i believe. the phoenix the tell shares the property across, and i mention that with the additional sort of oversight body in terms of sound, as people would be sleeping across the way, that is somewhat helpful to know. the applicant currently holds an entertainment commission permit another nightclub, as you may recall, he and also has operated until recently in south market at which bar. this is a continuation of an existed permitted use, and the police have recommended approval. there were eight previous bunch of conditions. it is pretty much the same no.

station conditions you are used to seeing. and the applicant is here in case you have any questions. staff is recommending this conditionally. >> commissioners, director, finan the process of opening this up as the former location of the loans. my wife and business partner have partnered with the ceo of joie de vive hotels and the regional and courage, here to answer any questions you might have with respect to the operation of that location. president nn -- newling: commissioner meko?

commissioner meko: have you done any outreach? >> yes. commissioner ropja -- roja: knows sound will be audible outside of the premises day or night, so how will you control this around? >> a big bet is that you define that. an acoustic ensembles would be just that, very low key, not amplified, not plugged in. vice president joseph: if it is not amplified sound, jocelyn, you cannot confirm this for me, it does not require a permit?

>> that is correct. type in that is really the condition here. it is redundant. >> because we have partnered with the hotel and the hotel has been turned partner with us, we are invested in the peace and quiet of the hotel guests, just as the hotel is invested with the success of the restaurant. it is a much more symbiotic relationship there that has existed in the past. >> as most commissioners know, there have been events that have been held at many incarnations in that courtyard, 26 years, so as far as the sound and my sound inspection, we consider it and were tested as part of the premises because technically it is, so -- president newlin: anyone here

from no. station? ok, any public comment on this item? >> thank you, commissioners. i am emery, and i just want to speak in favor of this application. i look forward to checking out this venue, and i hope that the branch has fabulous mimosas. [laughter] >> yes, i did some research, and i found that this was previously the lounge. given its location, the tenderloin, i do not think that any kind of on amplified music, even if the war in the courtyard, would be a concern, because with the tenderloin, there is the noise, street traffic. that is just my two cents korea

bans. president newlin: thank you. >> i would like to voice my support for this club venture. i am familiar with the location. it is quite doable for this type of establishment. i've been bitten by one will benefit from the addition of a positive new place of business and entertainment. thank you. president newlin: thank you. any further public comment? commissioners? commissioner meko: looking at the conditions for no. station, 135 are redundant. they are already covered with the good neighbor policy or would be covered with the inspection. number six, no entertainment allowed after 1:30 a.m., we can

talk to my fellow commissioners, but generally, when we talk about a cool-down period, we say 1:45. number seven, shall install surveillance cameras, and i would add "in return for 30 days." number 8, outside and inside. no. 9, it shall provide no. station, and we will add "and the entertainment commission" with a monthly calendar of events, so that would be my recommendation. i am open to your thoughts for the time for entertainment to end. president newlin: commissioner joseph: vice president joseph: i

wonder if they should have this on the calendar as well. if they of corporate events, and they do them every night of the week, or islamic call them, because of the nature of the, in some calls and says, "hey, i want to do a birthday party on monday," with that violate them from motivating -- notifying no. station on a monthly basis? commissioner meko: it there was some noise, the police officer could say, "it is a birthday party. yes, they notified me." president bush newlin: that would satisfy it. and the entertainment commission. vice president joseph: ok. so, commissioners, i would like to move to approve, and in keeping with the commissioner

meko and our regular good neighbor policy, a striking items one through five, the conditions, no. 6 back -- and at 1:45, and keeping no. 7 and to include maintaining the confidence or 30 days, and that is it. 8 and 9. president newlin: did you go with 2:45 hours? ok. i missed that -- though with the 1:45 hours? secretary: same house, call? ok.

president newlin: ok, item number four, a hearing on the proposed adoption of world's related to the security of places of entertainment permit and one-time in the current issue by the entertainment commission for the news and indoor events with an anticipated occupancy of over 100 people. as i announced earlier comment we have a request from the mayor to continue this, so he wants us to do further analysis and study of this before the go forward to get up to speed on everything that is in here, so i would like to make a motion. commissioner meko: since this is

back in the mayor's office, i look forward to seeing some revisions before i open my mouth. president newlin: yes? vice-president joseph: these were things that were brought to the commission, tougher, correct me if i am wrong, six months ago? in september for our review. we have looked at them. we have taken them under advisement. the person of -- purpose of having a hearing at the entertainment commission for this object is to have an open discussion between commissioners and the public as to all of these conditions and best practices as proposed by the police department. this is not -- it is for everyone's participation. in no way is this going to --

i do not know. i guess that is the end of my comment. it is for everyone to weigh in on. this is one of the ways we have our democracy, everyone having their say, so this department gets to have their say, and the commissioners it to have their say, and the public gets to have their say, so this hearing is an important part in how we do things, and i just, i will appreciate it if people do not vilify this commission and its staff for taking up the subject, because otherwise, you guys would not have a chance to weigh in on it. that is my statement. with that, i would like to make a motion. commissioner: second. secretary: same house, same call? president newlin: since members

of the public have come, do you have the timers? ok, public comment. people turned in these requests to speak, but i am sure that we will give everybody here a chance to speak, so if you can just line up a few at a time, then everybody will get a chance to speak, and we will stay here and take copious notes. first speaker, go at it. >> ok, my name is martin. i am a resident of san francisco. one thing i want to talk about is the surveillance cameras are acted as if they do not matter at all.

it is hard for me. i get self-conscious. if there are cameras around, and i bit self-conscious. i got married recently, and it took time for me to find a place that did not have surveillance cameras. i relaxed and had a good time. it would have been impossible for me to find that kind of a venue. but this thing has just kind of flipped on its head. i mean, you know, it is like waking up somewhere. in san francisco that these things are even being considered, i do not mean vilified, but whoever it proposes should be reprimanded. this is just crazy. part of the role of the entertainment commission doing

this with surveillance, not letting owners for of identify as in real time, of whole grain of this goes against the idea of the fourth amendment. "let's just recorded everything in case something happens, and then we will go back." to me, it is so plainly unconstitutional on its face that it is flabbergasted. in the last 10 years, we have had bush and now obama doing lately illegal things, blatantly unconstitutional things, and this has filtered down. we should not really need to be your to reject this. thank you. [applause] president newlin: i was a little concerned about your previous remarks. you said you're nervous about security cameras. is that because you're going out? >> i do not know how many people

fall into this situation as i do, but i do not like having three of its cameras around. president newlin: ok. next speaker. >> hello again. first, i would like to commend to ever authored these recommendations for being incredibly thorough. they have touched on a lot of points, and i an not want to talk of a violation of privacy that is inherent in this. i am not one to talk about the fourth amendment violation. but i it would to talk about something that is on a lot of people's minds right now, which is money. we need people to come into the city to spend money, and we need people in the city to be able to enjoy places of entertainment said they can feed the city with taxes and so on. perhaps as part of his honor's

review, an impact statement. the financial burden that this is going to place on club owners for paying additional staff, for bringing in additional metal detection equipment, identifications gannett, retention of this information, etc., and i mentioned it westboro, but i do not think it is 0 and up, because it did not mention during background checks of every single of korea, because they will be handling our personal data, and there is a potential for a breach of up privacy but also identity theft, from anyone who is a busboy at a club and has access to an opposite computer with this information is stored. thank you. president newlin: thank you. >> good evening again,

commissioners. save the rave. we did this in conjunction with you guys and the new commission. we had about three new people come to speak out about the need to protect the events. they are in a state of crisis right now, and if these conditions were to go through, that would just make this crisis that much worse. there is huge, huge public outcry over these conditions, and we do hope that you will reject them fully and completely. thank you. [applause] >> my name is david, and i am a residents. my observation is that these rules if adopted as amended, this will be more like a tea is a screening or entering a city hall than a fun night out.

i observed that my entrance to this building was less invasive than it would be to enter a jazz club. for example. that would not meet me interested in going to san francisco. i am concerned that the proposal would be problematic for performers, authors, and others. the requirements to keep identification on hand applies to performers, too. many large artists want personal security, and they do not want their address to be on file at each venue they play at. similarly, this is a controversial subject. some of on guard artists would

not be in to perform. and then blocking illegal aliens from for dissipating in the fairbank fiscal cultural theme -- theme, but they would not have the documentation required to get in the door, and that would be unfortunate. finally, no representation here today. i do not think that is because they fear that this would hamper their ability to do violence, but this is about an entrance into less violent crime. thank you. >> hello, my name is cristian. i have kind of concern that we all have to address this, especially in the city of san francisco. this has got great night life.

the outside, i do not see any troubling behavior or violence. being out five or six nights a week every month, i am out a lot. i do not see a concern. i understand why this meeting is happening, after the shootings in april, and what happened down on fisherman's wharf, but these things did not happen inside the venue. they happened outside of clubs, and when you have metal detectors, that is great. somebody may not be able to bring a gun into a venue, but what is keeping them from going outside of their car? it talks about a capacity of 100 people. that is not a lot of people if you think about it.

an art opening. also, if you could address what you are defining as a venue. i would like to know that. and a shortage of venues. i was a the il's night, which had great consciences thursday night, it may not be with us as of next month, and that is very troubling to me. i do not want to lose something like that. we already have a shortage of small to midsized entities, and, you know, if anything is adopted as far as further rules, it is going to be a big burden for the small venues. i book bands all of the time. i have booked over 100 bands in the last year, and i have only taken a percentage from two of those shows. $80 is not a lot. president newlin: date you.

>> president, commissioners, my name is smith. i understand this is driven by very real concerns about violence in clubs, and i understand that. this is probably a starting point for discussion. i understand that the commission needs to weigh the ideas from many parties. i just want to comment on once of these, which may be a little bit more broadly -- or have a broader implications than has been a dinner but so far, which is the impact is good but on the one-time that permit. i think that the cost and difficulty in complying for this with the entertainment use combined with a food or beverage service, and this could be from a one at cray, where

refreshments are served, to somebody doing aerial performance, with refreshments are served compaq this could make it very did the book for a lot of smaller scale art activities to comply with these rules, so i would say if i would make only one change to the proposed rules, it would be for one-time events, make these conditions discretionary as part of the security plan review rather than requiring the police department to require this, because unlike a place of entertainment, a one-time event, i think a greater degree of flexibility is needed. thank you. president newlin: thank you for your comments. [applause] >> ok, commissioners. my name is hunter. i am a promoter.

it has already been brought up about the costs for implementing some of these roles, and i object here to voice that on behalf of my school. if you implement these roles, they will get to pay for themselves, and this increases ticket prices, where even $5 can dissuade the decision. i have missed many events to is because of a $5 difference, whether it is happening with $5 in sales or $5 cheaper, whether it is just depending on who is playing. the differences are very staggering, and many are missed because of that. ticket sales. this would lead to decreased revenue for the city.

>> next speaker, please. >> i'm a concerned soon-to-be citizen. i share the concerns of violence because of we're no stranger to gun violence. we get shootings all the time. i'm not going to take much of your time. it seems that all these gentlemen before me have said a lot of the things that are a concern to the public's mind. it seems we're applying a huge bandage on a little cut -- you could say -- like for example with the metal detectors thing, commissioner joseph, you have brought up the fact that most security personnel would be able to patdown and secure a gun from a young person. and i just don't see -- i just don't see the kind of violence that this is trying to prevent

in our night clubs. 100 people is bottom of the hill. you know, it's el rio. these are small places where i've never seen a shooting happen at least while i was there. and i -- i just -- i'm kind of nervous. first time doing this. and, you know, what, everyone said everything, i think. >> thank you. [applause] >> hello. my name is peter -- i'm with pleural line. and i'm a san francisco state student. i think that the new proposal rules, they don't have any flexibility. this security is typical of a problem venue. not every venue is a problem venue. like a music event is different than a black tie. if these things would pass it would be funny to see my grandfather to walk through a metal dedeck tor to go to the

opera. that's all i've got to say. [applause] >> hello, my name is john o'neill. and i also wanted to address the generality of these proposed rules. one example that was brought up to me was a venue mainly for children where my children often play. and this has a capacity of over 100 people. in addition to the points the other people have made, it doesn't seem like this kind of rule should apply to -- this kind of rule should probably not apply to any venue but it makes it -- it's absurd that it would apply to a venue primarily for children. it's very likely that you could have an event at these kinds of venues, for example a large party could easily have 100

people at many venues, you know, that don't fit the description of a nightclub or a bar chi think was the original intent of these proposed rules. thank you. >> thank you very much. [applause] . >> evening, commissioners my name is john -- i wanted to thank you very much for giving us the opportunity to speak. we do understand that our presence here is very important and you guys would like to hear from us and you'd like to hear all the -- all the support from the public here tonight. i just want to list off real quick items that may set off metal detectors include anything from keys, chains, phones, pager, jewelry, watches, clothing with metal,

button, under wired bras, and earrings. it will increase wait times and delay them. and it will inconvenience tourists and people that are looking to have a good time in the city. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you. >> good evening, commissioners. my name is andre cora, i'm with plurea lines and with zaizeray. i'm just thinking what would happen if this rules passed. please arrive to the venue at least two hours prior to the flight -- i mean the shows. the rules are frankly ridiculous. and what would happen if they were to