months later. we ask that the implementation be one month after the pilot begins. it begins in august, that will be september. two months later, it would begin in august, september, a month later as october. the enforcement they could be two months following that. we are saying one or two months longer for the pilot. we thought we would start in july. now we are thinking august or september. supervisor mirkarimi: i am ok with a one-time extension on this, but it could be a slippery slope when government starts making -- i want this to be as precise about our agreement here, when we will move on implementation. by us passing legislation, it affirms our commitment that that is going to happen. >> we want to make sure we can meet your deadline. supervisor mirkarimi: we put this out here so we are committing to the public that this will be implementing for

2012. >> absolutely. supervisor mirkarimi: good. a predictor comment. supervisor campos: thank you very much, supervisor mirkarimi. i want to thank the supervisor for his leadership on this matter. also, his willingness to be very cooperative in his approach. i think you have gone out of your way to work with the industry. that is greatly appreciated. i do think this is an issue that needs to be addressed. it makes sense for san francisco to take steps that you are proposing. i'm very happy to be supportive of this effort. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. i appreciate your assistance. very good. nothing from the department? we will open this up for public comment, please. >> thank you very much,

supervisor mirkarimi. tim james from the california grocers association. some of us have pharmacies as part of services. we did send a letter to the committee. what we suggested to the committee to look at is that this point, looking at the opportunity to have this be a voluntary posting on behalf of grocery stores that do have pharmacies. it appears there's a little bit of levity to the time line. -- bit of fluidity to the time line. we are asking to move with a little more speed on behalf of the grocery industry to partner with the department of environment in providing consumer information that you are asking them to have. we offered that as a suggestion. we're supporting the ordinance

at this time. we're looking to be constructive. thank you. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you very much. next comment, please. >> ♪ keep your drug item open now safe will find a way you think you'll be safe now from all the things you might catch now keep your ideas open because safe drug disposal will find a way save drug will find a way ♪ and ♪ we need a new drug way one that will not make you nervous and will make you better everyday one that will not make you

nervous wondering what to do safe disposal of drugs is what we want from you we need a new way one for every day one that will not make you nervous wondering what to do city hall, this is what we want from you ♪ supervisor mirkarimi: perhaps someone could employ walt to sing by one of the boxes. just a suggestion. next speaker, please. >> i am in support of this idea. i don't think there is really any firm opposition. my concern is whether the city at this time, due to its budgetary problems, can really afford to staff a program like this. it goes back to the concept of needs and wants. it is obvious that this program

is very worthy, but i think the city needs to concentrate on what it needs to do rather than what it wants to do. i feel that a lot of businesses are basically trying to survive and are probably hesitant to put manpower into something like this, even though technically they might be able to sell more goods for people to come into the store and drop-off old drugs. listening to the -- to the discussion right now, i came up with a common-sense idea i would like to present and see if it makes any sense to everyone else. since the department of public health is in the health business, and since it does have an active educational program, maybe we could have the disposal sites at the different clinics and hospitals.

when people go there for services or other educational programs, they could drop off the drugs. this way, it won't be a burden on private businesses. it will be not really a burden on the department of public health, but it is open for current services. having the drop box of general hospital or the other sites, i don't think, would be that much extra work for them. thank you. supervisor mirkarimi: next speaker, please. further public comment? comment? relative to this issue. public comment for this particular issue. if there is no other further public comment, i will close it

now. public comment is closed. if the department of environment could come back up, please? i want to address a couple things that were referenced. this is not coming from expense of our general fund or from the city. is that correct? >> it is the $110,000 grant. supervisor mirkarimi: the money to procure comes from the consortium pharma and genetech. we can clarify that for the general public. i want to review a little bit back. in the 2006 -- thank you for reminding me -- 2006 effort, that did, with city response. >> it did. supervisor mirkarimi: how much of it was at the city's expense to collect the 1,000 pounds? >> you have my notes up there. probably $50,000.

maybe up to $60,000 on public out for it. it is a large component of what you need to do to have many programs. we need to actually be at the sites for a few days. supervisor mirkarimi: you were able to expend those dollars for that program and leading up to that program after that was required for dollars procured from garbage rates. >> and waste water. supervisor mirkarimi: if that cost up to $60,000 for two days, it is a significant shift in our economic strategy, trying to make the private sector, the industry, step up so that they can share in the solutions that we are trying to legislate here. right? >> it is what happens in canada and europe. supervisor mirkarimi: what is the industry standard in san francisco if people go to

walgreen's or go to these stores and want to say, i want to get rid of these in a responsible way? how was that conducted? >> until your ago, there were no options offered by the industry. they now offer a male lawyer -- mailer that can be purchased. i believe it is $3.99 at walgreen's. it is $4.99 at kaiser. supervisor mirkarimi: they have to pay for that. >> they do. it is rather expensive. supervisor mirkarimi: if the city was providing those, what was the cost? >> $2.99. we were one of the first clients. supervisor mirkarimi: right. >> this was a temporary measure because we did not have dropoff sites. supervisor mirkarimi: just to remind the public, when we had this less than a year ago, there really is nobody else in the united states that does this where it is corporate-funded.

there is in canada. where is it in canada? >> several provinces. british columbia has the most robust program. they have been running it for 10 to 12 years. supervisor mirkarimi: it is a collective funding, right? both from their private sector, pharmaceutical companies, and is it from the government as well? >> there are different models. i believe british columbia is just manufacturers. there has been funding for a long time. we had to figure out what the cost of the ordinance was last year. supervisor mirkarimi: right. what kind of results do they see in the community? >> very successful. they measure their results by public awareness. pharmaceuticals are tricky because you never know how many are out there. they measure their success based on awareness. the goals they have set for the industry, every year, the level

has to increase by a certain amount. supervisor mirkarimi: yet in the geography of their population, we were looking at it closely, they are larger than us, but there is some real culpability in what they have done in reaching out, right? >> yes. manitoba is the new crop in starting it up. -- province starting it up. we have a program that is beginning right now with the help of the british columbia consultant that is more similar to san francisco in terms of size and population. supervisor mirkarimi: very good. is there anything else we have not identified or recognized that you think we should about this? >> i think we have covered it all. i want to highlight we have had a positive experience working with retailers to develop materials for all kinds of things, batteries, lights. supervisor mirkarimi: it is

about the federal government in terms of the law that has been put forth by the obama administration. it is supposed to signal some fluidity. perhaps local or state government can move forward with this. it is not entirely clear what comes out of this. supervisor mirkarimi: it is a small percentage of the drugs. pharmaceuticals are complicated. some of them are controlled substances. some are drugs with strict value. the fda does not want pharmacies or local governments sites to be in contact with that. they want that to be brought to law enforcement. that is why we have law- enforcement site. we are hearing they will be going through the regulatory process, allowing that to take place under certain guidelines. it complicates this issue. pharmacies are really hoping to get drugs out of people's homes and off the streets.

it helps the entire program. supervisor mirkarimi: if we are waiting for, and this is as much as we can get from the federal parliament, to devise construction to the industry as to how they can discard, but it does not cover as much as we would like, if the state government does not create law because it has been been resisted by the industry itself, doesn't it just deflect back to local government to try to determine how they are supposed to deal with this issue? >> right. there are guidelines on how to do collections. we know how to do it properly and in compliance. yes. funding will always be a challenge. i think it is amazing through your mayor's office discussions that we have received funding from industry. we're the first city and state that has done this. supervisor mirkarimi: i have heard that. cities are struggling to deal with this issue. it is not the most crushing --

pressing issue, but it is a growing issue. >> it is something we are pressed on every single day and we don't have an answer. garbage companies. supervisor mirkarimi: i hear they are dealing with that in the regional government discussions that we have with our local partners. "we have nothing in place." they don't have the money to deal with it. getting cooperation from those who are not present here and others is important. good. >> it is a great first up. supervisor mirkarimi: great. i have no other questions or comments. supervisor campos: i just wanted to first of all note that i believe i had asked to be a co- sponsor of the ordinance. if i could ask the clerk to

please reflect that? thank you. it is my pleasure to be a co- sponsor to this effort. in terms of the comments from the industry, i think i understand the concern about any effort that is mandatory. i do think that at times, you have to draw the line somewhere. i think that this effort strikes the right balance between making this a requirement, but also working with the industry in making sure that whatever happens is not unduly burdensome. i think we're doing that. from my perspective, this approach makes sense. i am happy to be supportive. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. i would like to read into the record a couple of minor amendments. a motion that on page two, line five, it should be changed to " december 1, 2011."

on page two, line 23, it should be changed to "october 1, 2011." on page three, line two, it should be changed to "december 1, 2011." seconded by supervisor campos. if we could take a vote now on the overall legislation? ok. without objection. very good. so move. thank you. thank you again to department of environment and the mayor's office and to industry. they take a special interest in this. we appreciate your cooperation and insight. madam clerk, is there any of the business? >> no, mr. chairman. supervisor mirkarimi: excellent. this meeting is now adjourned.

>> please stand for the pledge of allegiance. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. taking roll call of the commissioners. commission president toms mazzucco -- thomas mazzucco.

dr. joe marshall. en route. commissioner dejesus. excused. commissioner angela chan. present. commissioner carol kingsley. present. commissioner james slaughter. here. commission president, you have a quorum. also on the dais, joyce hicks of the office of citizen complaints and the chief of police. president mazzucco: thank you very much. ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the wednesday may 4, 2011 san francisco police commission hearing. and tonight we have a brief agenda. and i know that the chief has to make an appearance after this downstairs at the boys and girls club celebration. he serves on the board so we'll try to get through this as soon as impossible so we can get the chief down where he needs to be, with the kids. let's call without further adieux let's call -- actually, let's do something out of order. you don't want to do that, do you? >> go ahead. president mazzucco: ok. before we head into public comment we have a certificate

tonight. and we would like -- what's that? >> in the back. president mazzucco: we're going to line item number one. general public comment. any general public comment? i'm sure we do. >> emit one, general public comment -- item one, general public comment. the public is welcome to address issues that r that are not on the agenda but within the subject matter of the jurisdiction. the speakers shall address their remark to the commission of the whole and not to individual commissioners or department or o.c.c. personnel. under police commission rules of order during public comment, neither police or o.c.t. personnel nor commissioners are rird to respond to questions presented by the public but may provide a brief response. individual commissioners and police and o.c.c. personnel should refrain from entering debates or discussion with speaker during public comment. public comment is limited to three minutes. >> good evening. how are you? >> commissioners, good evening. once again, my name is emil

lauren for the record. i've been a resident of the city and county of san francisco for 41 years. i would like to thank ms. kingsley for the kind letter she sent in response to the letter he sent to in commission to help it get greater attendance. i think that letter is pretty valid in terms of adding, coordinating and bringing more people to these meetings. so i thank you very highly for that letter. the first one i've ever gotten from the commission. secondly, the move -- to move on quickly a couple of days ago i picked up a passenger in my taxi and he kept look at me and then he thanked me and said that i should be sitting in a chief's spot in the commission. he said you're creating the most popular television show in san francisco. be asking questions when no one else does. and he said keep doing it and shook my hand. i bring that to your attention that just because this room isn't full that no one watches it or watches what takes place but they do.

we get responses in those regards. and that regard. also, i would like to tell you very briefly is that i submitted two letters, one to the sheriff's department twice requesting information related to the taser program at the sheriff's department with the -- what the costs are per man on an annual basis, and the sheriff has not gotten back to me and i submit those with the minutes they qualify to be in the minutes in terms of being one page brief, 150 words or less. last on my plate is basically this. is that as a lifetime member of the st. ignatius father's club in san francisco i'm inviting chief of police sher to the father's club on the 20th of this month to give a talk. it's 500 fathers. i read his resume in terms of the school and the background. a man from san francisco, through the ranks. one, two too, that has lived in

this city all his life if not all of it. and i bring it to your attention because my daughter graduated from the school and i have a niece that graduated from a school in the city and county and a nephew that graduated from the school. 500 fathers there with families. there's probably 250 new freshmen fathers. and for the chief of police, to adjust them in a short three-minute speech if you can. and two, is that i didn't graduate from the school. i deprauded from aberdeen high school in aberdeen, maryland. the most famous graduate is cal ripken. cal ripken stadium. i think locally we don't have somebody on the national stature but we have someone on the local stature that could be just as famous, so i invite you if you turn it down, they may forgive you or they may not. i leave you with that and thank you for your time. president mazzucco: thank you.

>> i'm going to give you the letters here. one for all of you. and one for the chief. on the invitation. >> cal ripken. probably better than -- >> his consecutive game streak. president mazzucco: next speaker, pletion. -- please. >> good evening. peter chernoff, san francisco, california. may 4. concerning what's going on in law enforcement, i know there's a lot of good people in law enforcement but what's going on concerns me and many of us. i see in sacramento, sac state, they have brought in law enforcement outside from their school to quell some energies from the students. it's gone on at fullerton. and anybody could google western illinois university today and see that there was a

very serious situation there where they had 500 cops all dressed up to the max. for some college students at an event that was a yearly event. and the students are very upset about it. i personally was at the g-20 in pittsburgh a year or two ago. and i witnessed 5,000 to 7,000 police officers. no one got close to the g-20. i saw two story black tanks and saw the gases that they used. and it was only for a small handful of anarchist kids under 21, less than 200 of them. it was an exercise and i challenged law enforcement on behalf of the promised land, on behalf of who we really are, on behalf of americans versus the corporate store. this amazing story that's come out, it's amazing how frightened d.c. and all these bankers are of a little woman by the name of casey sheehan

and the code penk general strike. this whole fabricated baloney story, jesse ventura even said this is a total fabrication and a whole host of others, just google it up. this whole thing with osama who according to many in intelligence has been dead over 10 years. the kat electric pedophile priesthood -- catholic pedophile priesthood and apac had to take over the airwaves with this baloney story in order to create more panic and more situations that would require more police presence. and i know that many of us are intelligent enough to see through this. anyone can google ted gunderson, former head of the los angeles f.b.i., and go -- and google ted henderson-osama bin laden and see what he says. google jesse ventura. i invite all true hearts to attend and support the general strike which will also be supporting law enforcement. no matter what they're told in the orders.

and i trust that the people that i'm addressing now will do the right thing and not be backing up the corporate store. we are in a place and time that the almighty lord has us and time to shut down the untoward because we've had enough. i'm going to read one poem about casey sheehan. if i may. casey sheehan, the almighty power love in our hearts be calling. for casey sheehan -- and 4,000 fallen. president mazzucco: thank you. >> you wouldn't grant this on behalf of cindy sheehan who has been nixed by the entire media? president mazzucco: next speaker. relevant to the police department. >> totally relevant. the strike started right here, sir. president mazzucco: next speaker. >> general strike, maybe 9, sacramento, thank you. >> good evening, commissioners, chief, director. my nflpa is ann grogan. -- my name is ann grogan. a troublesome bunlt deficit as we all -- budget deficit as we

all know but many of us common citizens that think we can do a lot to help. and we can avoid calling upon our scarce policing resources by taking care of ourselves and preventing ourselves from being victimized. along those lines, i personally advise neighbors in my neighborhood, people in my neighborhood to put down their cells and quit texting until they reach their destination. we're here tonight to invite the commissioners, the chief, and the director, to a safety awareness and self-defense class. we're going to be teaching it for the second time in glen park at st. john's school on wednesday evening, at 7:00. may 25. and we're asking for a reservation by may 20. information can be obtained at glenpark.com. there's a small charge that goes to the nonprofit