on the island. >> sorry, i was going to save -- yes. the waste water capacity charges would apply to both residential and commercial uses on treasure island, the same as they would citywide. >> ok. for now. [laughter] >> moving into the utility infrastructure, let me look at possible water demands. the project will reduce demand for a new development, starting with 2.29 million gallons per day. we've reduced that to just under 2 million gallons per day by eliminating water irrigation. i will talk about the recycled water plants in a minute.

we have used water conservation methods and utility fixture units and things. that has reduced 3.6 million gallons a day. we dropped it by another 2.2 million gallons a day for all non possible water uses, a toilet flushing -- non-potable water uses, toilet flushing, and so on. president vietor: i sound like a broken record. what about collection facilities for each unit? do they collect the water and treated so we can be even more aggressive? >> we are being as aggressive as we can on water use based on recycled water. we are using everything we can that is not potable.

this is something to be explored in the commercial area with commercial buildings. we are not promoting the collection of rain water. president vietor: wouldn't that be to our advantage? the -- minimally, probably. >> it cannot change the size of the waste water treatment. -- it can change the size of the waste water treatment. >> that would not change the waste water treatment use, because we of separate systems. the only thing it would change minimally is the amount of recycled water he would produce when you have the water available. but that would be maybe a third of the year, at most. in the areas where you have combined systems, he would have

the sewers system any issue you have with the -- you would have the sewer system and any issue you have with the treatment plant. vice president moran: has anyone done an economic eir? i know that the decisions of probably been made, but i think it is important for the public to know what benefit this brings to the city of san francisco. >> in terms of the overall economic structure of the project, it is fully self- sufficient. the project is paid for by the revenues generated for redevelopment of the -- vice president moran: i understand. what benefits come to the city and county of san francisco residents? >> we've done a study. vice president moran: i would love to see it. commissioner torres: that is a narrow benefit. what about the macro benefit to the city and county of sentences

go? is it possible to get a copy of that report? >> sure. there are a number of documents we can provide. just to give you a snapshot -- 2000 construction jobs and permanent jobs. this is an 18-year development. over the life of the project -- 40,000 construction jobs are going to be created. commissioner torres: if i were looking for a home on treasure island, what year would be able to stop -- to start shopping? >> depending on when we first put bubbles in the ground, it is a two-year construction phase before new development would happen, and 12 to 18 months after that. commissioner torres: so opening that new townhome would be 2015? >> 2015.

>> i will be off this commission before that. >> again, looking at potable water for the island's -- we will be replacing all the utilities over time and building up the islands. so, everything within the new development area, we will be able to continue relying on existing systems and the areas that are operating until we get into those phases of work. domestic water is brought over from san francisco over the bay bridge. the capacity in that pipeline is sufficient to serve the average daily demand. there is an emergency supply coming from oaklands, over that side of the bay bridge. that supply can also handle all of the average daily demands. because of concerns about the location of the island, we are

also drawing 4 million gallons of storage on an yvi for an emergency storage solutions. vice president moran: those infrastructure pipelines are intact now? >> that is correct. vice president moran: will they be impacted at all by the new bridge? >> the new bridge has water lines in it. vice president moran: that was not part of this cost? >> that is correct. >> i believe there needs to be in new station. >> yes, it needs to be replaced. commissioner torres: where is that in the budget? >> it is not in the budget right now? commissioner torres: i am sorry. the state budget? >> no.

>> the proposal -- the puc one. that is what we can bring back. what the balance is. >> for wastewater, again, this system will be replaced over time as we build up the island. there is a waste water treatment out there today that is operating. that would be replaced. the new system is going to be billed to the city standards. more efficient. we are going to reduce the number of bomb stations on the island today. president vietor: so, waste water will not be replaced runaway, did you said? >> existing waste water plants being operated by the puc is on

behalf of the navy. president vietor: that will stay until -- >> the plan is it will be replaced by the p u state. president vietor: at some point in the development process that the next three, five, 10 years? >> when will the rate being be sufficient to cover those kinds of costs? to make it worth your while and make sure you have other ratepayers not being satisfied? that is the question. it really does have to wait until the bill doubt occurs sufficiently to have it covered. -- build out occurs sufficiently to have it covered. president vietor: when is the projection for that build out? >> it really becomes of to the

puc when it is ready to be changed -- up to the puc when it is ready to be changed out. president vietor: when with the project be built? >> is a 25-year -- it is a 25- year project. >> 2025. something like that. it is unclear whether it will need all new construction. president vietor: what about the backflow issues? i have climate change, mind. -- on my mind. would we need to do some adaptive measures as it relates to sea level rise? >> the existing plant that is there today operates as a pump station for your outflow into the bay. that is going to provide

protection for the sea water coming back. it is probably at an elevation of about 11. >> this is a separate waste water and storm water system. we talk about the ducks -- ducts. it drains to a low point. it comes to the plant. we can talk about that. president vietor: and 11 inches, approximately, today? >> 11 inches. so, as michael pointed out, you already have that separation. the high tide back water is coming back in. we are going to replace that over time. president vietor: thank you.

>> recycled water? >> to recycled water system -- the recycled water system. we will be building a new recycled water system for the island. it will be constructed by the waste water treatment plant. we will not be in stalling on yvi, because there is not that much demand on yvi as compared to the rest of the development. tri-utility systems. the whole system will be replaced over time. the navy system has to be maintained by the puc from oakland. then, it is picked up by the navy through the port of oakland property of the island. that will be transferred, just like the island, once the navy

transfer occurs, and then to the puc and other power providers. >> ok. president vietor: are we going to have a decision at some point as to whether to take this on? when would that come before us? >> the timing of that -- >> prior to approval, we would pause for the feasibility study to be done, code 99. prior to the formal approval. next month. >> it is our working assumption that you would want us to propose to do that. president vietor: i think also,

you know, with cca, it is an interesting opportunity being on model clinton climate project. so, would that be addressed in the disability -- feasibility study? >> yes. president vietor: it would? that would be great if it could be. >> yes. president vietor: some kind of distributed generation of around grenoble's, the local build up, that would be great. if we could make an informed decision. if that makes sense. thank you. >> coming back to the storm drain. the whole system will be

replaced. the gravity system, the initial construction. we are working through some of the details with staff now on those systems, and the intent is we will of all on-site treatment before we go into the bay. chris is here to run through the treatment strategy. >> good afternoon, commissioners. i would like to start by noting that puc is the city agency responsible for meeting the state regulatory requirements for water quality control in the bay, and this project is unique in the opportunity we have to really integrate the way we deal with storm water management and integrate it with both infrastructure planning and the open face and open design. we have been able to do that throughout the process. there are a couple of key points.

the idea that the system be flexible and allow for potential changes under state regulations, said the island would be able to accommodate that. second, the planning work we have done is consistent with the puc storm water design guidelines, that it takes a multi-benefit approach to storm water treatment, which means there is a high level of treatments and ecological benefits that are combined throughout the island. third, that esthetics and community greening are part of the storm water treatment program. with that, i am going to turn to yvi -- yerba buena island first. it is a very different situation between the two islands, would yerba buena being at very steep. there are four different

distinct watersheds a different phases of the -- at different phases of the program there. next, on treasure island proper, we have analyzed conclusions of concern for each difference land use and adapted our treatment to each of those different areas. and then we had divided the island further into different watersheds, based on the phasing, the soil and other issues, we can link the treatment with the infrastructure development. vice president moran: so your role is a consultant to the development? >> that is correct. vice president moran: where else have you applied for this advice? -- where else have you provided this advice? >> we have worked elsewhere in

san francisco. we have helped several other large water treatment facilities within the bay area. vice president moran: right. so your expertise is really the bay area then? >> right. the bay area. vice president moran: and you think we are ok now? >> in terms of the treatment measures? vice president moran: are we taking the appropriate steps here in san francisco to do with the issue? >> yes. i think the city has made major strides. vice president moran: what are the unique characteristics u.s. found as opposed to other projects to work on? >> i think it is the question of being able to integrate at a large scale the strategies we have.

so, the puc has identified a number of treatment measures, and these treatment measures are wide-rangingly selected. i will identify a few here. there are permeable pacing systems. there is a large wetland system that is proposed for the large part area in the northwest corner of the island and the north east. the idea is we can provide habitat creation and apology for visitors for bird watching and other things. there is rain gardens and flood service infiltration areas in more urban, developed areas. vice president moran: you know we have a problem in this city, between birds and dogs,

especially in relation to the federal proposal. what would happen here with birds and dogs? >> that is a good question. i colleague who works in the field, and it is likely we would develop in areas where the habitat is, something similar to what was done -- >> in 2015, i am an incredible dog lover. you are going to tell me where i can take my dog for walks, etc.? >> in a very limited way, yes. [laughter] vice president moran: -- commissioner torres: a limited way? >> the streets, typically, and ian an environment like this -- on all the streets, there are streets bio-filters that serve

the first flush treatment measure. lastly, on a large park, we have allocated space for a waste- water treatment program. we looked at it, studied it in the eir, should the puc decided to include that as part of the waste water treatment system. president vietor: thank you. i am excited and appreciate your efforts. particularly, the wetlands peace. we've been talking about doing some kind of pilot for demonstration or program, like public, treating our waste water. i think it will be a lost opportunity. i have been reading about climate change legislation.

and i would include the clinton climate challenge, or what ever it is, to be able to factor that in and create a base line before it goes in and around what wetlands may be able to sequester as far as becoming carbon positive. because i have been reading more and more about the possibility of wetlands. >> i believe the initial inventory we have done has looked the that. i do not know if we got down to that. wetlands for says the habitats on -- versus the habitats of yvi. president vietor: it may be interesting as an urban mitigation strategy for climate change in the city overall. >> one last slide. just to discuss briefly the next steps. next week, april 21, we will be

before the title board and planning commission for the certification of the eir, as well as the general plan and zoning codes, the planning amendment that would need to be done by the planning commission for the approval of the development agreement and other supporting documents and title approval of the development agreement and all the support and assistance to go along with that. all subject to the eir being certified. then it would be back before you on april 26 for the adoption of the ceqa findings, the mitigation and monitoring development plan, the approval of the ica, and by attachment, the infrastructure plan. in the final board of supervisors approval is anticipated for early june. with that, i would open it up to any discussion. president vietor: commissioner

courtney? commissioner courtney: if it is not too much trouble, could you repeat the jobs data? what classification would you consider them to be -- whether they are construction jobs or retail jobs or just general maintenance jobs? >> sure. the first component would be construction jobs through the buildup of the development program over 20 years, and that is anticipated to be 2000 annual jobs in construction trades, various trades, starting first with infrastructure, and in typical trades we would think of as building trades, we would think of as it relates to building development. i do not have specific answers on the full-time jobs or the permanent jobs, but they would be comprised of maintenance jobs for the parks and open space. they would be common area maintenance jobs for the hoa.

retail component, the hotel jobs, that sort of job sector. we have also cleared up to 100,000 square feet of commercial office. that is not currently a component of the program, but we have given ourselves the flexibility to attract a tenant that would find the site suitable. it is generally in the retail and service industries. commissioner moran: if you had to assign a number, the value of the project, a ball park. >> in terms of the total number of jobs created? i will say 40,000 to 45,000 jobs. construction, and the need permanent jobs at around 2000 or 3000. we can get your specific numbers as part of the fiscal analysis that was done.

commissioner vietor: are there questions or comments? >> commissioners, we are still working with various folks. we have been working with a lot of people with the mayor's office over the last several years. mike martin was the lead for it. he is now working on the america's cup. we have staff still discussing things as esoteric to most of us as the death of the pipe, compared to the waste water levels. so we can bring that back to you and ask if this is an appropriate briefing here cost, and appropriate cost for the connection fees and capacity charges and for the developers, so you get a sense of what that might be. >> do you have any further comments? >> this is going to seem very

complex, but your comments and questions were very good, so we think we can distill it down, so when we do our presentation to you, hopefully we can answer some of your questions. as the general manager stated, a lot of it comes down to what side of the legislature the costs actually come down on. that is the big decision you will need to make in two weeks. we will have that information for you in advance. >> is it too early to put together the dry utilities as well? i do not know what that means. i think it means the energy service, right? what it might mean for the puc to take on. >> we can actually run some quick and dirty analysis. we had so many customers, we charge them at an equivalent to a pg&e kind of rate. what it would take us to recover.

whatever infrastructure we are putting in. we actually have some costs associated with all three of our enterprises, that you have in your existing budget that we have been incurring, which may be reimbursed and may not, and we need to sort that out over the next couple of weeks for you as well. commissioner torres mentioned the east bay under the bay bridge, and we have three conner was because we were anticipating the new east ban, and there is a cost associated with that, and if we want to slip a pipe into that conflict, that and people, who pays for that? >> you mean for power? >> for recycled water and wastewater right now. for power, we paid for a new submarine cable to treasure island. we are paying caltrans as part of that. again, when they moved the east end, it was in line with where the other cable was. we have a new cable.

there are costs associated with the project that we have been incurring for years, and now, we have to decide as an entity how we go forward and recover those costs. use our rate payers, or to the developer. them that if we wanted to push the envelope and a distributed project on treasure island, that would provide power for all of treasure island, so when you have been tapping into is, we would manage it. >> right here and as far as when you ask a question for feasibility study, what it would take, there is a dedicated 46 acres that the puc would own, or in a long-term lease with haida -- with tida. we could use that if it were not on the actual building. so there are options that we have there. >> thank you. than anything else? then adjust the oversight.

>> great. thank you very much. >> i have a question. homeless or disadvantaged persons fell 25% -- fell 25% of all jobs. >> back into the additional slides in there. >> do you happen to have a slide number? >> sustainability assets, right? >> down and in the left-hand corner. >> right, so one of the other documents that would