the omaha world herald and the journal star. two people came over and they held that the blackboards. we said, yes, on the blackboard as said, god and homosexuals eat at subway. this isthe youth suicide rate is skyrocketing. i have been involved with programs for boys in nebraska. all the people who wrote letters, that i had people -- that i had people there. when i see an officer on andy street, -- on the street, i stop and see what they are doing. i make it a point to call on certain people. eheather fong, i work with her

all the time. constantly i see this. i have retired, so i can spend an awful lot of time reaching out to the public to take care of those things. i think it is important for the police commission because there is no one on there with that kind of background, who knows what these guys actually do. supervisor kim: any questions for our applicant? you know my question. if you could speak will -- speak briefly about the issue of warr antless searches? >> ok, the key system -- they do not have these keys in any of my buildings. if they want to gain entry, they

have to call me. i am against it. everyone has the right to privacy. that should be dealt with immediately. why is that going on? i am going, what? what? in shaking my head. i am thinking, that is not right. that is not how i was brought up. i am ok with it to the point that there is of violent crime involved, and then we need to seriously look at the bundy crime, because we cannot just take them back -- look at the bundy crime, because we cannot just take them back on the street again. tasters, i have used teasers, -- tasers, i have used tasers, stun guns. tasers can be efficient if you

are trained correctly. i'm serious about the training. it saves lives. it keeps officers from drawn there sidearm. san francisco officers carry a .40 magnum. that is a heavy caliber. tasers work. the training has got to be there. there are different varieties. they really need to do the study, because a lot of major cities say it has been very effective. of course, you could have someone die of a heart attack or something, but that is because they have something else going on. the violence -- video cams and the cruisers. i still do not know why san francisco does not have it. it had protect the citizen, and

everything that is going on is being recorded. that alone stops all lawsuits, having cameron's -- having cameras. now they have new equipment where the officers can where the camera, as some kind of cap cam camera, which is pretty cool. i saw one of those work not too long ago. supervisor kim: my last question was the model for mentally ill suspects? >> i have gone to all those seminars. it is against the law to evict someone out of an apartment. it takes forever. you have to get the city involved, courts involved. these people need help, because 90% of the time, there is no family or relatives. high of had that in a couple of situations, i have had -- i have had that in a couple of situations, i have had people --

i have done a homicide investigations. you name it. i probably saved 500 people in my career and brought four babies into this world because i am the guy there. i can say the other six -- look, guys, this is the violence that is happening. they are not going to pull something on me, because i did not fall of a watermelon truck in nebraska. i understand what you guys are doing. i think that kind of important -- i think that kind of power is important, to be able to say, hey, this is the way it should be. supervisor kim: thank you. and also thank you for your service on the advisory committee. >> you bet. i work with all those guys all the time.

every time i see a situation, i am right there. the economy by name. -- they all know me by name. supervisor kim: yes. thank you. i am sorry -- are the questions for our applicant? ms. vanessa jackson. thank you. hi, ms. jackson. >> good afternoon. i did not get a chance to fill up everything. supervisor kim: you can fill out this for the clerk. the same thing. >> yes, my name is vanessa at jackson. i am a 44-year-old mother. i lost two children 10 years ago.

i work at a battered women's shelter, and i were also as an intern at general hospital where i work with the trauma units, stabbing victims, a gang violence, community violence. i have been an advocate in the community for over 20 years. i have worked in the juvenile hall with clark, with state parole, a federal parole. i advocate for children and families, and i am here today because i feel that i have been watching the police commission on tv for several years, and i think the thing they are lacking is a community person. i see a lot of lawyers, i see a lot of ph.d. s and doctors, buti do not see a community%.

i do not see an ordinary person just trying to make family violence, community violence safer, helping the u.s., -- helping the youth, working with battered women and battered men. i also work with the gay community. this is the first time i have actually applied for this position, and i'm just trying to figure out if it is because i am an african-american woman, i may be too strong, or where -- or whether my application is not getting to where it needs to be, but i think i would play a very great part. i am a team player. i know the officers over in the bayview, because i am out there. while they are policing my community, in policing them, making sure they are on task. i know what it is like to be a

victim of a police officer, to be a victim of the community, to be a victim in the streets. i will play a great part of the police commission, because i have seen it all, and i have done all. i am a daughter of an officer. and officer for the san francisco police department for 45 years and worked in the d a's office for six years. i know that every police conduct is not good conduct, but i can speak for those that i know, whom i have seen, that had great concept. and for those that i see with bad conduct, they have also heard the voice my opinion. i am here because i love my community, i love my people, i love my children, and i am tired of seeing african american and young latino kids and adults of colored dining.

i am tired -- and adults of color dollying. i am tired of the police taking in their doors and, you know, they are not able to have a say so because they do not know their rights. they do not know that they do not have to let them in. if it is not a legal search. as for me, i want to be there so i can empower them and i can help them. every time i looked at this board, i do not see any one of color. i do not see a woman of color. i think it is time for a woman of color to stepup to the plate. a thing that would play in great part, because people in the community look up to me and they know if they come to me in confidentiality, then i am not going to steer them wrong, but i

wanted to know i am here and i am going to support them, so when they turn their paperwork into occ, i will be of this a, you know, i looked at it and this is what happens. you did not have an up this or enough that. there is a need for me to be here. there are so many lawyers and everyone on the board. it is not about a political gain. we are out in the community. where is the community? i do not see the community. i see people on different boards. they are doing all these great things and that is great. i feel like i do great things, to. i feel like maybe i do not have a law degree or a ph.d., but i am just as great as them. i raised four wonderful children.

the law passed away. my kids go to school. i have seen children that are in prison, in jail, dead on the streets. i tried to talk to those children, give them away out. i cannot save everyone. but if i can help one life one day at a time, i am ok with that. i am ok with teaching them what they need to know. they need knowledge. i was going to state the words of my people perished from lack of knowledge. people are afraid of police. everything they are doing, who would trust them? he cannot go to certain people and ask them -- you cannot go to certain people and ask them questions, because even the police are afraid of some of the police. supervisor kim: thank you.

i have a follow-up question. diversity is a big issue for me. i want to a acknowledge there are two women of color serving on the police commission. >> i am sorry. i meant african-american women. supervisor kim: african-american women. you brought important issues, particularly how can s.f. pd response to levels of violence and homicide in the bayview. what would you like to work on to better police relationships with the community and help reduce violent incidents in san francisco? >> i have worked with greg suhr a few times. they will say, what do you

think? what do you see that we are doing? is there something we can do? i think there is a lack of respect in our community. they do not respect us. ," seen them put an elderly 79- year-old woman out into -- out of an old civic because maybe she did not have a license. i am like, come on. you have your guns drawn. i am just going to tell it like it is. they have no respect. i have seen them pull a young man to the side, and there was a lady trying to rush to the hospital. i walked over to the young man, i said, excuse me. could you allow this person to go? she needed her chemo. she was sick.

they acted like they did not hear me. supervisor kim: i definitely see an overreaction by sfpd, and we know that's racial profiling is an issue in the city, but do you have any ideas of things you would like to implement? >> i would like to see more community meetings. maybe everyone has to be involved for this grievance, because it is a certain process, and people do not know actually what happens. i think there has to be more community meetings where we can go to certain stations and we can talk about what is going on and they can no our faces and we can have some type of personal relationship. -- and they can no our faces -- know our face as. do we want to keep criminals off

the street or keep these youths from robbing each other, we should start barbequing are having lunch is. at least we know there are 12 or 13 adults sutter going to be somewhere in the church or in the park eating and not robbing anybody. there are some neat things we can do to stop the violence, but it seems that people may be due not want to stop it. i think the police should make themselves family. they do not. some our family, but some, they carry this persona that -- they need us just like we need them. we need them because they are supposed to protect and serve, but how are they supposed to protect and serve one they are bullying us around? they are running into people's houses and they are doing things unlawfully, and they are not being truthful. they just carry a badge. need to be able to come

together -- we need to be able to come together. we need to say, we can trust this officer here. i did not have lunch, and they knew i was about to rob somebody -- we just need to be more kinder to each other. people are not doing that. i feel like i can do that. i am a people person and a team leader. i have ran programs. i have been the director at a church. people may not like sums things that i say, but i do tell the truth. i want to be honest. supervisor kim: any other questions, colleagues? thank you very much, ms. jackson. i know we have a number of public speakers on this item, and i want to get started on that right now.

yes? supervisor wiener. supervisor winner -- weiner: i wanted to know that there were dropped firefighters that were killed in my district and another one injured, and i wondered if we could do a brief moment of silence. supervisor kim: i would like to do that at the end of this item. thank you up for bringing that to this committee. at the time i am going to be opening up public comment on this item. we have a number of public speakers. charles spencer. yes. if we could first call on our former supervisors, supervisor dufty, supervisor --

>> may i ask why certain members of the public are being given preference over other members of the public? i know it is a practice. it is like having one of the sponsors of an item on the agenda coming up on the thing -- supervisor kim: thank you. i understand, sir. if you'd like to go first, you can go first. then we will have -- [reading names] dominance. >> members of the rules committee, there are three points i would have to keep in mind when you decided to move forward to the board. one was raised by one of the applicants, vanessa jackson. currently six of seven members of the police commission our attorneys. the city charter says the board should be representative of the community. i do not know how having six attorneys of of seven members is

representative of the community. i would also like to say the police commission is a hostile to public input. this is a determination that found them guilty of denying me an opportunity to speak to them because i was criticizing their policies and procedures. and i did that because i know my rights under sunshine, but i also saw them do it to a number of citizens by manipulating their agenda and forcing them to leave by going into closed session and also telling people there were certain things they were not allowed to talk about. and lastly, i would like to read a short statement from an article in the "new york times." it says the heart of any moral system is action and consequences. today's public anger rises from

the perception this has been severed in one way or another. we of watched cases being dismissed because of problems with the drug lab, problems with notifications, problems with not having warrants, lying under oath, and when is this going to stop that the police commission needs to take responsibility for the fact that much of this occurred under the term of chief gaston, which was their selection for the office. [chime] they will not take responsibility. it will take credit, but not responsibility. supervisor kim: thank you. supervisor dufty. >> thank you. i would like to say that i am here to endorse and heartily recommend julius turman.

he has worked on the human rights commission. he has had a distinguished service on this panel. @ think it is relevant to him being acquainted -- i think it is relevant to him being acquainted with people's concerns. he is known. he is someone that different communities and individuals will be comfortable going to, with his legal experience and his maturity. i believe he is going to be an outstanding member of the police commission, and i heartily endorse him to your. and i would also like to thank supervisor winner -- supervisor wiener. the sacrifice is important for us to remember. supervisor kim: thank you. >> supervisors, my name is

terry. it has been almost exactly 20 years since i was chair of this committee, and this is the first time i've ever been down to city hall to speak for anyone. not that i have anything against the place -- [laughter] seriously, you may remember there is still a world out there, to. when i was on the committee, i remember every now and then, there would be someone who really stood out. and well, i wish we could get somebody like this for all the important appointments that we make. in here for david waggoner because he is such a person. i have come to know him very well. we are close friends. i have come to know him through his work, with people who need

government services more than anybody else. he has a very strong passion to make things better for the entire population of the city. the rules committee is a great many to be on. i missed that part of my job. david is an extraordinary intelligent person. is no political commitments that would interfere with this objectivity. he has a broad range of experience with many different communities in this city, and i think he is regarded universally with respect. he should be a great leader in

the city for a long time. >> thank you up for -- supervisor kim: thank you for coming back to city hall. -- >> spencer? >> good afternoon. my name is charles spencer. in here to support the appointment of julius turman. i've known him for approximately five years and have grown to respect his ability to think with a human perspective and to clearly discuss in a sustained manner, to convey his thoughts. as you are aware, he is a prior federal prosecutor, and i've no doubt about his ability or willingness to supervise as an advocate for all san franciscans. i strongly urge you to support his appointment. thank you.

supervisor kim: please approached the microphone if i have called your name. >> thank you, madame chair, hon. supervisors. in the director of the treasure island development authority -- i am the director of the treasure island development authority. i've also served on the san francisco human rights commission. i have worked very closely with mr. turman. i am also on the board of the alice b. toklas advisory board. i am not a lawyer. i am not a police professional. i can only speak personally about what i of seen working with julius. first, he has a great sense of humor, and i think that is very important in this line of work. secondly, he is stunningly independent.

irritatingly so, sometimes. but i also think that is a virtue on this commission. he has always been fair, always put in incredibly intelligent questions in his search for the answers when some of do not appear to be there. his experience, as he related, shows he is a confident an appropriate candidate for the police commission. i would ask you to kindly please consider julia's for the next commission spot. thank you. supervisor kim: thank you. >> i rise to support the nomination of julius turman. i have been a proud member of the alice b. toklas lgbt club.

during his tenure, it was marked with sober-clear of lead, a strategic vision. i urge your support. supervisor kim: thank you. >> good afternoon, and i am in -- i am sarah bright.

i'm here in support of julius turman. i've also served with him on the allis board and worship with him at united methodist church. he is a brilliant attorney. balanced, rational, and stare. -- and fair. his role is that of a labor and employment attorney, which i believe makes him uniquely qualified to sit on the police commission into a evaluate behavior's and craft and dropped policy and procedure to bring the hot seemingly disparate positions together -- two seemingly disparate positions together. and think that is part of