76, 79, the three, 86. the amount of energy that the public has put into these issues which were always fourth on the ballots was immense. there is lots of money on development issues, and there is lots of money historic plea that goes into politics and campaigns. people had used the initiative to force a consideration of issues that were not going to get through the board of supervisors because there was too much political and financial power on the other side. people go out on the streets in get signatures. we got all the signatures. [chime] prop m is vulnerable.

i object. supervisor kim: could we get clarification on that for the next hearing? supervisor wiener: we were informed was placed on ballots by initiative. i am not disputing you, i have just indicated why made that statement at the beginning. we will, of course look into that. as of 1971, i was alive. an older than you might think. >> members of the rules committee, my name is larry griffin and i want to thank you for taking a moment for the firefighters that we lost today. my bleeding heart is today for that.

i am on furlough time. i am here as the political action share in the at large chapter chair for local 21. they showed up at the last rules committee meeting of reporting -- opposing supervisor wiener's charter amendment. let to express some of our concerns and listen to what the supervisor has to say. live for talking with you on that. >> thank you for being here. >> i am one of the idiots that reads these things verbatim to understand what the wording is and as a result, what the potentials are. i look forward to looking at

your changes, and i want to and knowledge that you did respond to the multiple people that came and said they were very concerned about the initiative coming under this because the bottom line is, the age of reason was a book by al gore and he talked about why people don't involve themselves in government anymore. we have turned our government over to a bunch of bureaucrats that run it. and the public feeling that they don't have any serious chance for employed. i want to abolish the fact that the voter initiative i think are the one way that we have of coming forward in dealing with issues that might be before the board of supervisors but either do not get the support necessary to become an initiative or might have outright opposition to it and not allowed to get on to the ballot. if it gets to that point and

people are willing to take their time and energy and effort to coordinate getting all the signatures and getting it on the ballot, it should be something that should be respected without any doubt. there can be legal challenges, that is the way the government works. i think elected officials at all levels of responsibility to ensure that when the voters speak and they speak and that effective way, thousands of signatures, which be given the greatest amount of difference. i appreciate that. supervisor kim: think you. -- thank you. >> i am happy to hear about your amendment. it demolishes about half of my objections, a police. -- at least.

[laughter] not being a lawyer, it struck me that this does not sound legal. i see the city attorney who approved your initial charter amendment, so maybe they are just creating future work for themselves when it is contested by other lawyers. there is a letter that apparently you all got from attorney stamp to may 18. she said she had delivered it to the supervisors. she states pretty firmly that your charter amendment violates both the united states constitution and the california constitution. she only cited one case, a napa county case. but there is pretty strong

language in here. she even says it is illegal for an elected representative to propose something like this. it is a matter of ethics. i am happy to hear your amendment and maybe she will soften up your criticism. >> she said anyone the votes for it could be removed from office and i found it an extraordinary statement to make. >> i just saw this letter today. it has been circulating. subject to discipline, they are willful -- they are able to be removed for willful misconduct. supervisor kim: think you for our -- for your concern for our jobs. >> the afternoon, supervisors.

in regards to supervisor wiener's legislation, thank you for amending it. we have a few comments. this is about limiting the duration of the measures, and i don't believe it is cool because of what happened there is even though i have got an e- mail from supervisors, 20 states have already adopted this kind of legislation that they could amend. policy declarations and ordinances. there are 50 states, it is still not the majority. i did not think limiting the duration of measures is a good ibm. the other point is, i think we should know exactly which measures might get affected. i went to the board of

supervisors website and i did a bunch of crunching. with all the different highlight colors, these are the policy declarations and ordnances passed by supervisors or the board or the mayor. started adding up a few of these things. there are over a hundred of these second affected. no one really knows which ones are going to get affected as a as part of the nervousness that is going around. i think we should get that squared away. and the part about the voter initiatives. thank you very much. supervisor wiener: if i could respond, in terms of the 20 states, that allow their legislatures to amend or repeal under certain circumstances,

there are 21 states that have voters adopted legislation. it is 20 out of 21. how what is california. i received a number of e-mail about this claiming that this would limit the duration of the voter adopted ordinances as if they would automatically expire at that is not accurate. they would go on forever until something is done either by the voters or by the board. i can only speak for myself. any elected official would probably be very cautious about making changes to voter adopted measures. i understand your concern about that, but just wanted to put that out there. >> it applies to section c as well.

>> id doesn't automatically expire. >> chair, supervisors, good afternoon. thank you so much for amending to remove section b. however, once again, it appears that even though there are now out itemized ordnances had 39 declarations of policy that could be affected from the department of elections, we still don't know how many of these have gone back to the voters to of the amended or repealed. until such time or until the next hearing, because this is continued, i would like to have those hard numbers before us has the how many of the 65 ordnances

past have been amended or repealed by voters and how this'll a -- and how this would fall under good government. and the large numbers of measures on the ballot. >> the afternoon, i am with the community association, the president. thank you for removing that section. oftentimes, where are very hyperactive in the planning department issues. but don't always like what the

planning department does, but one of the things that they recently started doing was to have meetings with the director and the staff to explain some of the major changes that they are proposing. and this appears to be very major. not many people and the public understand enough about this, what you're proposing. i suggest you hold several meetings, several dates in to meet with the public to discuss questions and answers -- take questions and provide answers. explain to us what kind of impact this will have for the voters. from what i understand, there was some time where the board of supervisors and overturn, and

then any ordinance, right? but those initiated by the board or the mayor. i am asking you please to hold meetings and explain to the public your ordinance. supervisor wiener: this is the second, we will have a third hearing. i have made a practice of responding, i believe, to every e-mail i received hot topic. i will continue to do that. i look forward to the hearing which is how we meet about these things to flesh it out. and if it does make the ballot, i am sure there will be an enormous number of meetings in turn -- in terms of opponents and proponents.

supervisor kim: any other public comment at this time? public comment is closed. colleagues, and any comments or questions? we will be adopting the amendment with the position and continuing this item to thursday, june 16. thanks to all the members of the public for being here today. are there any other -- is there anything else on the agenda? thank you, meeting adjourned myriad ahoy

>> this lodge is home to some of the best fly casting pools in the world. these shallow concrete pools don't have fish. this is just a place where people come to practice their fly casting technique. ith was built in the 1930's and ever since, people have been coming here to get back to nature. every year, the world championship of fly casting is held in san francisco and visitors from all over the globe travel to be here.

>> we are here with phil, general manage of san francisco rec and parks department at the anglers lodge. what do you think about this? >> it is spectacular, travis from oregon, taught me a snake roll and a space cast. >> there are people from all over the world come to san francisco and say this is the place to be. >> yeah. it's amazing, we have teams from all over the world here today and they are thrilled. >> i flew from ireland to be here. and been practicing since for the competition. all the best casters in the world come here. my fellow countryman came in first place and james is on the current team and he is the head man. >> it's unique. will not see anything like it where you go to compete in the

world. competitions in ireland, scotland, norway, japan, russia each year, the facilities here in the park are second to none. there is no complex in the world that can touch it. >> i'm here with bob, and he has kindly agreed to tell me everything i need to know about casting. i'm going to suit up and next, we're in the water. >> what any gentleman should do. golden gate angling has free lessons the second saturday of every month. we have equipment show up on the 9:30 on the second saturday of every month and we'll teach them to fly cast. >> ok. we are in the water. >> let me acquaint you with the fly rod. >> nice to meet you. >> this is the lower grip and the upper grip.

this is a reel and a fly line. we are going to use the flex of this rod to fling away. exactly as you moved your hands. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> i'm a natural. >> push both arms forward and snap the lower hand into your tummy. push forward. >> i did gave it a try and had great time but i might need some more practice. i met someone else with real fly casting skills. her name is donna and she is an international fly casting champion. >> i have competed in the casting ponds in golden gate park in san francisco. i have been to japan and norway for fly casting competition. i spend my weekends here at the club and at the casting pond. it's a great place to learn and

have fun. on a season day like this, it was the perfect spot to be. i find fly casting very relaxing and also at the same time very challenging sport. takes me out into the nature. almost like drawing art in the air. and then i can make these beautiful loops out there. >> even though people from across the globe come here to compete, it's still a place where locals in the know relax and enjoy some rely unique scenery. until next time, get out and play!

supervisor chu: thank you very much, president chiu. i wanted to emphasize what supervisor cohen, and this is the same conversation we have had with the nominee, and i look forward to seeing mr. ramos and the conversations and the balance he has expressed to me, and also recognizing some of the challenges that different neighborhoods might have with having accessible transportation, usage of cars

and how is he would balance that, given multiple demands there might be, such as large families among other things. so i look forward to that conversation. my parents immigrated to the united states about 30 years ago, and that probably was the most formative part of my background. growing up in an immigrant family, you learn many things. my parents raised me in southern california, and i grew up in the restaurant business. they had a small restaurant at the time, and i was there every weekend working, and it taught me the value of working hard and what it meant to be part of a small business, a small family, and an immigrant family at that. growing up in an atmosphere in being impacted by the los angeles riots when it did occur. we were always worried watching the news to see whether or not the restaurant would be looted, whether it would go up in fire, so it was something that was a big concern and worry for my family at the time. i remember thinking even at that age how important it was to

consider what the economics were in communities, whether people had or felt that they had opportunities or did not have opportunities, and what role it was that government played in those outcomes. >> [inaudible] supervisor chu: that is what really put me on the path to public policy. so i pursued public policy both at occidental college where i went to school as an undergrad, and also uc berkeley where i pursued public policy. i work on public finance for a while after i graduated and came back to government to really pursue that. ever since then, i have stayed here and fallen in love with how wonderful the bay area is. it is a really great place to be. all around the room, you will see a lot of great financial institutions. talk to them. you will see people who can help you with financial aid. talk to them. he will see departments that might have summer job opportunities. talk to them.

utilize your opportunities today. learn a little bit about what you should be thinking about in the future. generally, a very practical legislator. i like to look at what the impacts of legislation would be before really voting on it, so i think, depending on the issue, you can move around, and that should be the way most people think, which is let's consider the facts of legislation before you actually consider it, irrespective of what spectrum it comes from and what spectrum it is perceived to be. sunset district is a great district. has many residents who are families. we have a lot of families in our district. lots of kids, seniors, people who have raised their families there for many generations. the big issue moving people is the state of the economy.

how is it that we are going to be able to bring down the unemployment rate in san francisco? how is it that our future generations, our kids, and our youth are trained so they are able to take advantage of what is emerging? whether that is clean technology, technology in general, the health-care industry or other things that might be looking rosier in terms of future economic activity. thank you. today, i am very happy to have come with you all and to bike in today. i was able to ride a bike that had a two-person seat on it. i was in the back, and we both paddle together, and one thing i wanted to say is if you bike to school or anywhere, make sure to always wear a helmet. make sure to be safe, and of course, have fun, right? in terms of interesting jobs,

this has to be one of the most interesting jobs. you work on a whole host of issues all year round, and you meet so many interesting people around the way, so i really enjoyed that. >> happy arbor day, everyone. we have a lot of volunteers from the richmond district center. i grew up in the california area, ended up at uc-davis. i made my way out to san

francisco in 1984 when i was a college student. i remember growing up on clement street. i have always lived around in richmond area, just being around a unique area of the richmond, discovering san francisco in the 1980's. >> i am hoping we can not support small businesses like this because they are the unique character that makes neighborhoods like this so rich and lively to live in. >> i have also been active as a community organizer. i worked at the chinese progressive association. i also worked at the mental health center in the richmond district. i have always been passionate about civil rights, equality for everyone. i have a 10-year-old daughter, so having a girl has made me much more sensitive to gender equality issues. i guess i have always been vocal about my politics, but as a

supervisor, i have to listen to other perspectives and making decisions. >> very soon there will be of much more seniors in that area. we are trying to focus on whether a stop sign or stoplight might help. >> tried to look at issues of senior nutrition programs, alzheimer's research, even housing policies that allowed our buildings to become more senior-friendly. also looking at how to support senior services, neighborhood- by-neighborhood programs that allow aging in place. people who are getting older helping each other stay in their homes and communities longer so that they can contribute as long as possible, as opposed to institutionalizing them. >> i support working families, livable communities, definite drawn support for the small business. even in my district, there are pockets of poverty and many

people of work. so it is also about supporting those under employed people, small businesses in this difficult economy. >> there are a lot of vacant storefronts, so we are trying to find people to read these spaces. there is a bookstore over there. this way there are a lot of businesses that have been closing. >> i support the small businesses versus more chain stores that seem to be coming in to some of the vacant storefronts. i am trying to be sensitive to the local merchants because they make up the unique character and diversity of our neighborhoods. you go to lafayette. i was just there reading to a bunch of kids. i think i was reading to fifth graders. what grade are you in? >> as a member of the school board, i know strong schools in the richmond is key. also, from the birth to 5

commission -- each commission has an organization to oversee pre-kindergarten kids. i want to ensure that the state level that we advocate strong support for young children and their families, good parenting support as well. >> often, we have to govern with our hearts. 80,000 people in the richmond district sometimes have different needs than people in the mission district or bayview hunters point. so often, elected officials and other hard working staff have to make tough decisions. they are political in nature, in many ways, even though people denied that, but at times, many of us are politicians, but we always try to govern with our hearts. >> i have always considered myself having progressive politics. i believe in a vision of people having their needs met.