-- i am a proud graduate of san francisco state university and a proud graduate of new college law school and i am working as a security guard. it's just the economics of the time here in the city. i don't complain, and is happy i've got a job. this is the first commission i've ever tried to apply for. i believe it is a commission that should be largely non- political. i believe we should have people who are highly educated like the good professor there. he obviously knows his stuff. i know my stuff to. i did learn under the great constitutional lot attorney -- we need people -- i forgot her name, but she was talking about

being ignored. there are a lot of people in san francisco being largely ignored, being steamrolled. a lot of natives. commissions like this need educated people and we need laypeople who have absolutely no political ambitions, but have moral values of civic duty. i'm not part of any non-profit agency, not part of any union, and not part of any thing. i just want to be here to make sure there is a fair and just process, using my education and background and my intensive knowledge of the city. fire away at any moment. supervisor kim: thank you.

>> you mentioned you had not applied for any commission. why this one all the sudden out of the blue? >> it is definitely one of the more interesting ones. first of all, there are a lot of folks out here who feel ignored. we need to make sure people that have a true, vested interest in equal representation in this city are in charge of this commission. i have such an interest because like she says, we feel ignored. we are leaving the city in droves, especially if you decide to have children. and it's a shame. this is a great town.

it just seems to me that a lot of the things that were around when i was a kid are completely gone. the sense of community, kids growing up together, whether or not they went to sacred heart or st. ignatius, we were all playing ball together. that's the reason i'm interested. i believe we need laypeople like myself involved, actively involved. supervisor farrell: feeling disenfranchised, how is redistricting going to change that in your head? >> said the good question. if you look at the district map right now, it just looks like a jumbled up jigsaw puzzle. i fail to see how one little block could be stretched out or

make sections -- it looks like they're trying to divide individuals from a greater community at hand. there are problems in the city we have to address. there's a growing divide between those who are very wealthy and those who are very poor. that's something that has to be addressed. if it is not addressed, in 20 years' time, i truly believe we're going to have a lot of very old and very simple people living in san francisco and their nurses are going to come from davis city to take care of all of them. more and more families are leaving. why is it? we need that extra bedroom. where are you going to get that in this city? the better health care and better schools. all of that comes from redistricting. we need to hear those voices.

supervis kim: you mentioned looking at the map and saying it does not make a lot of sense. could you mentioned a couple where you felt like neighborhoods were being divided up and did not make sense to you? >> i could mention the inner sunset. i never saw their being a difference between that inner sunset and our son said. we have the same neighbors and went to the same school. -- their inner sunset and elder son said. but apparently there is a difference and like someone to explain it to me. supervisor kim: i used to live in the sun said. any other questions? thank you very much. next, we have paul hogarth.

>> the morning cause supervisors. i have lived in san francisco since 2004, having lived in districts 5 and 6. i have actually worked in san francisco for 11 years and i have been politically involved for the last 15 years. i was a political science major at uc-berkeley. i actually enjoyed studying maps and political demographics and a always had a passion for how folks get represented in these communities and the importance of redistricting and having fair minded folks who can take into account community feedback. my interest specifically in this position, why this redistricting commission and why this year, is that in my time in san francisco, i've worked almost exclusively at the tenderloin housing clinic, working as a community organizer color and managing editor of the on-line web site. district 6 more than any other

district will be changed more by this map. district 6 has to lose over 20,000 people. you need someone at the table of this commission is intimately familiar with that community and who can make sure the district gets a fair shot. but it's not just about district 6. if you look at this map, the population changes have not been uniform. the three districts that will have to shrink our six, 10 and 11. that means all the other districts are going to have to grow. we need a fair and inclusive process. i do have a political background and have been involved in campaigns before, but i pride myself on my independent the ability to work with and listen to people who may not agree with me. i absolutely commit to doing that as a commissioner. supervisor kim: any questions? supervisor elsbernd: i thought you might have address them in your opening statement because a lot of the questions come

together around you. so i will ask them. it is very clear your partisan. some members to agree with and some you don't. some will be running in the and there is no gray area. you support some members of the board and you oppose the members of the board. you support some candidates, you oppose some candidates. we are charged with putting forward transparent and open candidates. how do we justify appointing you? >> one of the hard things about having written as much as i have is that you can't run from the record. you have upset people in the past two may agree with you. i was told before even applying for this that moderates are not going to want you to give you are progressive. progresses' are not going to want you because you are too

independent. i may have supported candidates, but i am not going fourth to take sides in the types of conflict. one of the things that happened 10 years ago, frankly, is the map was drawn in such a way, and i followed this process 10 years ago, that the progressives got as good a of a map as they could have gotten 10 years ago. i don't know how possible that is this time around given the three districts that have to shed pounds at brown are going to be. i commit to being absolutely fair minded and inclusive in the process. i'm actually looking forward to the community town hall meetings that the commission is going to have in the community and i will put more community cohesiveness. supervisor elsbernd: you have been very supportive of the chair of this committee and made very clear her district is going to change.

>> yes. supervisor elsbernd: are you going to be able to separate your support for one candidate and whether they other candidates can shift away? >> yes. one of the reasons she was elected is because she got support from all parts of the district. when district 6 has to be cut apart, there's no question parts of the district will be taken out that happen to support her. i started looking at the map and i don't see how you shrink district 6 and not take away people who support jane kim. supervisor elsbernd: let's talk about housing clinic. you receive far more money than the caa does. you need six of the 11 to vote for that. again, the appearance issue is very similar to what i asked mr. baraka. tell me how this passes the

sniff test? one way or the other, you are going to politically benefit members of the board of supervisors. >> the tenderloin housing clinic is concentrated one district of the city? supervisor elsbernd: the decisions you make on the commission are going to politically benefit or politically hurt all 11 members of the board. how do you get past that conflict? >> i have already had conversations with some of the supervisors about what they want to see in the district and what they have said flat out is that to be fair and open-minded. i'm not going to base that upon whether my employer happens to get funding. i look at that and i study the demographics and say we get feedback from outside community members. supervisor elsbernd: you just raised something i was not thinking about.

you are already talking to members of the board. you are already more politically active than them fast majority of candidates. is that appropriate? should be talking to the community and not the people who have their own self interest in how those lines are drawn? >> i think it is appropriate. supervisor elsbernd: ok. supervisor kim: any other questions? one of the things i see in your background in working on demographics and numbers, could you talk about that? >> i was involved specifically in the redistricting process, not intimately in san francisco, but in berkeley, 10 years ago. i moved to san francisco and was part of the political community in berkeley when we went through the redistricting process back

then. it was a painstaking process where the map was drawn and the council approved the map and then folks who were not happy got a referendum and got it removed. we had to go back from scratch. i very carefully study does and making sure the various communities were being heard and considered fairly. as far as san francisco, i'm also on the board of the tenderloin north of market committee benefit association. that brings all stakeholders of business owners and residents and that is going to involve studying the demographics of that micra community to make sure that goes fairly. supervisor kim: principles or values you would prioritize that would guide you through your decision making process on the redistricting task force? >> transparency, communities of interest, making sure that not

only comply with the law on the issue of minority groups, but we also don't just do it because it is legal, but because it is fair and equitable. i have actually begun to read through the packets that the supervisors received. i downloaded it off the website and it is going to be a challenge, a question about it. one of the concerns a lot of people are making about the redistricting is the shrinking african-american population in san francisco. we only have one african- american supervisor now and that is in district 10. how do we insure the african- american community in the district and continues to have a strong of ways so they can elect one of their own? it is going to be a tough job. there is no way around it. i'm committed to making sure we all communities heard. supervisor kim: any other questions? supervisor farrell: you work in district 6 and are very familiar with it. your familiarity with the rest

of the city, aside from knowing district lines, a few years ago -- you are intimately familiar with district 6. your experience throughout the city? >> my work has taken me all over the city to cover various events going on. if my work in the political community, working with various candidates and campaigns has taken me out to various parts of the community and city. i am not going to lie. district 6 is the district i know far and above the rest. but i'm comfortable and familiar with the rest of the city. supervisor kim: thank you. next, we have rachel ebora. that leaves our last applicants,

sarah pearce. >> good morning. i am a registered voter and resident of does strychnine since 2005. as a clear filipino emigrant, i pride myself spending time and committing gauge activities. i know the previous conversations about candidates for the task force have been around people who have expertise and mapping statistics and perhaps even legal expertise. i do not claim to be any expert in any of those areas, although i pride myself in being an avid cyclist, so i navigate through the city. i'm the district 9 representative on the bicycle committee, so i'm well versed with what it means to get a committee that serves the entire city and not just a particular district and has very much

experience working with my colleagues on the commission on ensuring we are a bike-friendly since late -- the bike-fairly city. as by a former position at the director -- [unintelligible] i am proud to say i was the person responsible for directing that program at the agency. of the 50,000 that were reached, i believe we were responsible for 7000 of those households reached. we did that through a process that is engaged community outreach workers that are able to speak for languages. through that process, and is able to be engaged in using a cross-section of software around

voter registration precinct maps to determine what households we need to reach. in my capacity and residency, i have experience in working with a wide range of community members from various social, economic, generational and linguistic backgrounds. the redistricting task force will need to insure what ever process it undertakes engages all people in san francisco and it will be my pleasure and privilege to create a process that does. i value accessibility, inclusive the and efficiency. most of all, i value humor. it's an important and serious task, however i think we all know we need to sustain ourselves and humor is something of value. thank you very much and a welcome your questions. supervisor kim: are there any

questions for our applicant? the same question i have asked other folks in terms of your values and priorities that will help inform your decision making process on the task force? >> as i mentioned earlier, i pride myself in being able to work with a wide variety of community members. we have a complicated time line, and it is a disk medical tasks -- is a difficult task, so any way we could incorporate technological processes and other opportunities to outreach to community members will be good. so efficiency. and lastly, accessibility. as an immigrant and a bilingual and hopefully multilingual person, i know that language plays a big role in reaching people, so i would want to make sure that that is present as

well in a process that the task force undertook. supervisor kim: a question that came up, since you both live and work in district 9, your understanding of the city as a whole? >> i have the honor of being able to navigate the city very quickly whenever i have a hankering for a particular cuisine. through that, i have been able to explore vary widely different offerings that the city has. so i am actually one of the people that many people call whenever they have a question about a particular area or neighborhood and they want to have some particular cuisine. they call me up, and i let them know what is good over there. besides that, my work in the bicycle advisory committee gave me some curve you on bicycle- related matters for all differ neighborhoods and districts -- some per view -- soem purview --

some purview. i had the privilege of working with workingco-containers -- working with my co-conveners on those issues as well. supervisor farrell: very impressive background. i will ask the same question i have been asking -- is is the first commission or appointment you have applied for? >> no, i am on the bicycle advisory committee. i am district 9 representative there. supervisor farrell: aside from that one. >> this would be the first one. supervisor farrell: why this one? >> it is interesting. as i was hearing this earlier, it brought me back to my first experience of being engaged in civic activities. at age 9, i wanted to volunteer on the commission on elections, but they said that i was too young and that i could not do

so, so i had to settle for making sandwiches for the volunteers there. since that time, as you see in my professional and personal engagement activities, i have always been interested in really being part of a process that really engages a wide swath of community members. this is definitely the opportunity that would allow me and enable me to do so. it is also an opportunity to allow me to get to know the city even better than i do now and in a deeper way than meandering around on my bicycle. that is part of the reason why i have been really interested in this. supervisor kim: thank you. any further questions? thank you so much. our last applicant is sarah pearce. is she here today?

ok, we did get an e-mail saying that she would not be able to make it. i guess ms. ebora is our last applicant to speak. at this time, i will be opening for public comment. please line up if you would like to speak. thank you. just to help our clerk who is taking minutes, if you could say that you are speaking for a particular candidate or against in the opening. >> i served on the elections task force in 1995. i was one of nine members, which actually brought back district elections and to the first lines that were approved by the voters. i have not applied at this time because i will be submitting maps to the commission, and one of the things i have been working on is making sure that committee members will not have a preconceived agendas going in.

they will be serving as a jury -- a quasi-jury. they will be hearing public testimony and legal advice. hopefully they have an extensive knowledge of statistics maps and neighborhoods. basically going for the process with a closed mind, and frankly, there were some people on the commission nine years ago that had an agenda. when i was on the task force, three were appointed by the mayor, three by the board, and three by the elections director. we were all individuals. what you found nine years ago was a block of basically four progressives, four moderates, and one person who was kind of close. he will remain an mentioned, but he ultimately voted with

progressives, and we have had that results ever since. so i would ask that -- i am action and not speaking in favor or against anyone, but looking at the criteria language, you should appoint people. first, i heard very little talk about the fact that you have to equalize the population. i think there are only about three people out of the entire batch that suggest that. and it is going to be an arduous task. secondarily, look at their voting in districts. the people have not voted 80% of the elections that are going to be here, that is a case of disengagement from the political process. are they going to be able to fill the hours they need to do? i will tell you, it is an arduous task. then, conflicts of interest. anyone getting city funding or belongs to an organization that receives city funding or a former candidate should not be included.

lobbyists should not be included. finally, look at the three people that were appointed by the elections commission. you do not want to have redundancy. you want to basically look at creating a broad-based team that can work together to bring individual skill sets that make the commission work well. so these are all things i would like you to look at. again, there are only eight people out of the 23 applicants that voted 80% of the time, and i am usually very cognizant of that fact. there were some that voted not once. thank you. supervisor kim: thank you. did you have a question? >> i am 8 no. of market neighborhood activist.

i also was involved 10 years ago. as was pointed out, really, the most pervasive impact is going to occur on district 6. all the other districts have relatively minor changes, which gets you a lot more possibilities. there's a huge difference, with the possible concern of district 9, which has a problem. it gives you a lot more possibilities, and adding a few blocks to your neighborhood is a lot different than hacking away each piece of it, which is a lot of what will happen with district 6. because of that, i think it would almost be irresponsible of you not to put someone on this commission who was knowledgeable about district 6. i guess that if you are worried about statute of limitations issues, you might want to look more towards -- you might also consider jenny lam.

she was well spoken, and she does seem to have the elements of community interests. also, rachel ebora from district 9. i appreciate the questions about mr. hogarth, but when community interest, the works for both parties. it works for both sides. then we get different kinds of supervisors, and while it is kind of dis-uniting, we actually let the board of supervisors decide things at the board of supervisors and work and out there. supervisor kim: thank you. any other public comment? >> good morning, supervisors. i am a resident of district 11.

i applaud everybody for being up here because it takes a lot of guts to get up here in front of you all, in front of supervisors, and just put it out there and at times get grilled. i am speaking on behalf of -- i am really supportive of maria and lupe. this task force is the right place where we could have new blood, new insight, a new generation of community activists that really want to contribute to our city. me, myself, personally, i can understand and feel a lot of their inspiration and vision and their roles on this task force coming from immigrant families. families that are not politically engaged