afford it. in recent weeks, when i have been telling people how much our general fund is now, people are as panicked as i am. we obviously do not have enough information about how this might work. >> i feel really lucky to be able to look, to some degree, from our budget back to the special ed budget i had in st. paul. it was similar. the same size child care. very similar demographics in terms of ethnicity, poverty, and things like that. i actually had more teachers and about the same number of paras, and the same size budget as this. we were spending less money on some other things. it is really some of those other

things we are doing now that are going to take us a while to do differently. we can do them more cost effectively. but the change cannot happen as quickly as we would like it too. it is in those areas rather than the number of teachers. we do not seem to have too many teachers. this is always its own issue. the other thing is maybe there is someone who has done a study of the general fund contributions to special lead across california districts. in minnesota, we had someone who did that kind of work on an annual basis. if we could get a hold of that, we could see if we are off track from other districts. it seems like a big number, and i do not know if it is. commissioner wynns: we should look at that. the last thing is i brought this up before and have been thinking about this since the committee as a hall meeting.

i want to put this on the table for us as a structural budget issue. i think we need to get to a point where all the teachers to teach in classrooms, who were special ed teachers, should be in the school budget, even if they are whatever -- the fact that we are the county office of education should not mean that we have to see all the special ed teachers in a centrally allocated budget. men because it distorts our own perception and the schools perception, and in fact, it reinforces the program, and the more they changed that, -- the

more they change that, we need to find a way -- if somebody tells us we still have to be responsible for the county budget, that does not mean we could not have something that recognizes that during your -- recognize that. that ought to be part of the model, to get all the people who worked at school sites recognized in the school site budget, so sometimes i hope somebody can explain how we can do that. >> that is an interesting idea.

what was it a it gave school staffs? >> i heard the dog at the conference breyer -- conference. >> it was a series of workshops and related to special ended, so people were talking about how they were able to move fivethatd part of the discussion was a round of powering the school -- around and powering the school, and i've brought it up when we started talking about inclusion.

we have special day questions, but is where it came from. >> i do not think we have the internal capacity to do that. five are with us but we begin by being able to know what we are spending -- i would ask we begin by being able to know what we are spending. all you can do is look in the

special education budget, were you see a huge number of teachers. that is it. you do not know what schools they are in. >> what i would like to see is actually a special education budget include all costs, so for the extended school year, we are mandated to do about, and the district pays for a portion of it, too, but we must provide the schools, and we do use some of them for recovery, but it is first generated because of our legal commitment to extend the school year and make sure those budgets are in place so we can

see how much money does it cost to run special education in this district, and i also want to say we knew those were temporary, so this is the kind of thing that frightens me. we knew it was temporary, yet we have no plans about how we were going to fill the gap. it would be easy to go there and keep spending the money, even though we knew the money -- there was time. we kept spending, not anticipate we were not going to have the money, especially because it was such a large contribution, and i have said many times about our

state money, but a lot of people would do a lot of things with this money and we are not going to have it forever, so we cannot possibly take that money out of our general fund and pay for that. the lack of planning has gotten us where we are curiosa a region where we are. i would almost say if this is the money it takes to educate our children in special education at a level of high excellence, then i would say the contribution is probably worth every penny, but when we are not, it is a waste of our money to not educate these children to the level they deserve, and i

mentioned about transitional aged youth you're good -- use. i want to mention i do not have a handle on what does it cost to run a special-education budget. it has been so inflated. it has been increasingly more expensive, and i think if we have all the numbers it takes, i appreciate said you are adding some of the suits, so that is why it is much larger. sometimes there are costs. i think i am under the wrong impression about that.

>> the one i did want to respond to is that extended school year is in this budget moving forward, so now we can have accurate accounting for the expenditures. goo>> we have one question. >> if we can ask superintendent garcia if they have any information about what percentage of general funds go to special education. they may not have the information, but it is worth asking even though it is nationwide. .

>> i want to ask a follow-up question, witches and that there are some things we are not doing well but we are spending too much money on, and i was wondering if she could be more specific, but i also want to say i really appreciate that effort, and i want to acknowledge that and say it is a more welcome move to transparency. >> thank you. only a few things. one is the we are working to increase meticals records.

we can really picked out of. there is something we really need to get more, something our school staff needs to really generate the dollars, so we are way under getting the revenue we are entitled to. we contract of two nurses to provide special services. we are piloting a couple of school program so we can begin

to put some of the money to helping district-employed nurses. right now we do not have enough now employed, but they are able to with the same training. american sign language interpreters, spanish and chinese interpreters, primarily for parents. we are beginning to work with parents engagement to higher our own. we are going to be scaling the up over the school year, so we

are maxed out in terms of making those changes, and that will be slow because it involves working with h.r. and hiring the right people with the political will to change. these things are slow, but these things stood out to me as places we could free up some money. get in some ways, i reduce expenditures already, but then we were able to free up some money, to add some curriculum to help boasts write better transitions -- to help write better transitions. we are taking baby steps. >> i appreciate your concerns.

september is when we have the special education review, and what we have been doing in terms of looking at special education services is this is years and years in the making, and we are months in the reform. this is going to be one of the priorities, and we look forward to coming back and showing the students are more successful, but i want to say this is going to take some time to reduce structural impediments, and it is going to involve labour negotiations. it is going to look of a

comprehensive review of what we do for students with disabilities. get >> i want to add that i have already talked to the superintendent about doing an update one year after the review, so in september to take out as an opportunity to look knackered where we are -- look back at where we are and the steps we have made. i think that is a good time. >> we have invited her to come back to the committee, so that would be great. >> we are back to the budget. goo>> i appreciate that we talk about their current situation

when we talk about school closure days, and how about directly impacts all employees and also but unrepresented administrators are for five days. gooi would like it in i am willg to support the, but i would like to also ask roger to give us a staff of state -- updates on our situation. thank you, mr. bushman.

i know we originally sent out 420 layoff notices. >> i thought it was about 300. >> i am going to start with that figure and let you take it from here. >> cert employees, there were 147 that we laid off, and we laid off 13 administrators, but 110 have been returned. >> we have been able to do about by cost savings and figuring out

other ways we can reduce costs to hire these folks back. is that correct? >> as well as positions, etc. to address your original question, but was the total amount of back in march, so the 147 is the number of may 15 certificate notices, and i was the language states, that number has been reduced because of the number of recalls but have taken place. >> can we talk about the other employees as well in?

what about our other employees? >> 4 para educators, we had 138th. there are 48 of them that are now laid off. >> all of those numbers you have given me are those that are not returning. they have retired or done something of its. -- something else. >> there were 48 who remained laid-off. there are four that have been recalls. there is one who resigned, and there is one who refused an assignment. there are 48 lefaid off.

37 teachers. compared to last year, we are way ahead of where we were last year >> we have really made a concerted effort to get our people. we are updated about how diligently we are working through this through for a fiscal crisis in california, so i appreciate you sharing these numbers.

we do everything we can to keep the public abreast of our situation. >> i would like to say that compared to where we were last year does not guarantee all of these people are going to be recalled, but last year we were well behind this curve, and we started out with those, and it ultimately was 199. almost all of those teachers were recalled before we started the school year. it does not guarantee the remaining 37 are going to be recalled. >> i appreciate that, and i appreciate we are taking the long view in regards to what we

have to do, and we have observed that when we are talking about now lay offs. thank you very much. they appreciate that very much. thank you. >> other comments? >> i just want to go to if we are looking at funding, we should look at where they are coming from. i am not really a budget person, but i have your marketplaces where we could cut.

i could identify a enough money, so i look forward to the discussion and curio -- on that. >> as we come to a a close, i want to thank the staff. i know every year it is more and more painful, and i want to thank our city partners who have helped us in and stay afloat and all of the community partners and then play a big role -- community partners but

play a big role. the cuts would be even steeper if we did not have folks who believe in the work we are doing and believed in our kids. i want to go back to this concept of generating revenue. there are ways we can generate revenue. i am getting mixed feelings about a summer school. it is one of those places that is not engaging but they go because they have to, and it is depressing to see them working on one subject because a variety of different reasons over the school year, but i know it is really helpful to your your -- really helpful.

i really want to think about how we are spending our dollars, so if we are going to utilize our attendance liaison, let's utilize in a way where we are identifying students who are showing habitual studios in a secure a good -- habitually studios. i would like to see where those dollars are going. i also want us to plan ahead. we and the scrambling for kids

and teachers we do we and upon three do we end a of scrambling for kids and -- we end up scrambling for kids and teachers. it is hard to get the kids there, and it is great to do programs and really being more creative, but i guess my stronger feelings are about having a place for kids to go.

when it is not available, it becomes part of the conversation. i want to find ways to be proactive early on and notifying the kids earlier and letting them know need year, you are teetering and will end oup in summer school, so really thinking about having these discussions earlier on rather the end in april to reduce rather than in april -- earlier rather than in april and really wanting to have a valuable and

fair conversation about what is in our parking lot and how it relates to our priorities, so is there are no further discussions -- do you have something else? >> i just want to add that we have a plan for a safety net or how to have students succeed, so you are right. we should be aligning our resources and also looking like thingare things like night schoo i think it is a plan, and it is