what i'm looking at is the revenue. that's coming from the state, correct? >> exactly. that is in the form of the formula funding that's going to each county. supervisor mirkarimi: and then the general fund for san francisco is $4.8 million is what that looks like? >> that's the portion of the general fund that's already

appropriated. >> from our budget that we just deliberated on. >> exactly. so right now this is simply the funding sources that we have in hand appropriated in the budget and allocated to us by the state. and what would that look like if we distributed those two pods of money. so the biggest pieces as we've discussed here and as included in the plan are the budget to, as i just said, re-open the two dorms at the small jail and in the adult probation department. of course in the adult probation department in terms of the population numbers, the greatest impact, this would include funding the new probationers, former parolees,

now probationers, at the former ratio managing the probation department which is probably inadequate as the probation chief will tell you. but that's a significant portion of the cost. and another piece of the cost would be funding a re-entry unit and services that could be used to better coordinate and align our funding so that we are focused on being strategic and coordinated on keeping people out of the cycle of going in and out of incarceration and trying to manage outcomes for that population. so the adult probation department is going to be very key, of course to this strategy. at the shercombriff's department, again, that's open -- sheriff's department, again, that's opening the two housing units. it's increasing funding for electronic monitoring which is also going to be a jail population management strategy. and then at our other

departments, there are smaller allocations. and as you heard -- i won't go into details because you've heard from a number of those departments about what their strategies are and what the funding correlates to. but it would be some level of allocation to those departments in order to try to manage this population. >> -- supervisor mirkarimi: on the use fer uses side, you have district attorney, human services, public health, economic and work force development. this is slightly related to my earlier comment to the police department if it works, those departments come in hand, meaning realignment. if it doesn't work, the police department has a role in this construct, too. right? because as i was mentioning earlier based on the statistic of repeat offenses, the police department is the primary.

i noticed that's not in this calculation as well. >> yeah, that's correct. it's a great point. there's no separation out the role of the police department -- separating out the role of the police department from this system. i think the goal here is to try to take a look in the short-term at how we're going to manage this population directly on the services that they're going to hit immediately and directly. and i think there is definitely a longer term discussion and a longer term -- some longer term study that we have to do about how this population is affecting our entire criminal justice system. and certainly the police is a part of that equation. but as you say ideally -- and i think our hope and our strategy is to try to be able to manage this population through services, through probation, and hopefully keep them out of a cycle where they're consistently and repeatedly

coming into contact with the police department. >> but wouldn't you agree, though, that with this limited orbit we actually might have a possible breakthrough in thinking here citywides? and that is that there is a correlation and nexus that what happens inside the jails with their ability of rehabilitating successfully or with adult probation or services that it actually has a direct impact what happens outside the jails with regard to neighborhood safety and public safety? >> absolutely. absolutely. and then, of course, the mechanical question in terms of what our policy response is to that. in each of these agencies we have some population-based metrix that we can actually do some analysis based on our population. what is the level of clients that we know are going to hit

them directly? in terms of the police department, we know that we have a need for staffing at the police department. you mentioned that when you talked about the staffing levels earlier in the hearing. but the staffing levels at the police department are an issue regardless. there's not as obvious and immediate of a tie where we can say based on what's happening with realignment, here's the incremental staffing needed at the police department. there's a larger and -- a larger need, i would certainly agree. the other piece is just based on kind of stepping back and looking at the financial side of this. as you know, we have one police academy plass for half a year on the budge -- class -- class for half a year on the budget which was. to actually fund an academy

class using this realignment revenue would essentially eat away about 75% of the resources made available to us by the state. so i don't think -- i think policy wise most of us would agree if we could have more cops on the street, we would. mechanicically, i think that's a tougher question and a larger question for the city as we move forward. so, again, just to reiterate, i think we have a couple of big questions in front of us. and the numbers that i'm putting out here are not the end of the story as i'm sure every department in this room would tell you they are not adequate to meet the needs that we would prefer to -- the staffing needs that he would prefer to have to deal with this population. you mentioned in your comments

up front that in the worst case scenario, if the sheriff's department thinks is a possibility, if this is a much larger impact than the numbers and projections the state have given us, we could end up with a significantly higher jail population. if we do end up bumping up against our capacity, we could be talking about millions and tens of millions -- or $10 million more than this. we also have other needs that are related to this population but that are also a baseline under funding for some of of our criminal justice agencies i think we would all prefer to see if the resources were available to have better staffing ratios for the current population and this new population. but that's going to be a question of funding availability for the city. and i think we're going to have

significant constraints on our ability to do what we're -- what we wish we could be able to do to manage this population. we are working with the departments to look at different funding scenarios and to try to think through, you know, to the extent that funding is available, how would we scale up or down this program? as i said earlier, that's going to be a discussion that's probably going to have to happen as part of a larger appropriation process to come over the next couple of months. but we are spending a lot of time thinking through how the funding decisions could end up and what the interrelationship is between spending a dollar at the health department and who ends up in our jails, getting people employed, and keeping them out of jail and all of those types of decisions. so there will be much more to come. we do have our state reserve

set aside in the budget. it's $15 million. and so that will be part of this discussion. of course, the constraints are for all of us that we have significant other competition for those reserves. as you know and as we've discussed at budget committee repeatedly, we have potential issues of $16 million to $17 million at the health department and state revenue loss including some new news that we may be short on our ryan white funding. we have $26 million problem at the redevelopment agency that we're trying to decide how to solve in order to keep that agency in existence. and we have potential additional costs that are going to hit us if the state doesn't meet its rev thue targets -- revenue targets in the budget as the governor moves forward with plans for additional realignment of other programs that they've been discussing particularly in the health and

human services world. so that's going to be a policy discussion for all of us over the coming months. so just an initial look at where things are headed in terms of the funding and more discussion to come. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you mr. wagner. thank you very much. thank you to the mayor's office for their help in preparing for this. i'd like to now open this up starting with reverend ames brown followed by low gordon, terry anders. i have some cards i'll read off for folks. >> thank you, mr. chairman. supervisor cohen, and others assembled, i'm aim yes, sir brown, president of the san francisco naacp. and i just want to simply say that, number one, the issue of incarceration in this nation will be at the top of the

agenda at the naacp national convention in los angeles next week. number two, as we think about the topic, realignment, as it pertains to those inmates who are incarcerated from the state to the county, might i suggest that maybe he would do ourselves a favor by first having a realignment of our thinking. i want to recommend that everybody gets this book and reads it. chairman mirkarimi: "the new jim crow" right? great book. great book. >> my by she will alexander dealing with the mass incarceration in the age of

so-called colorblindness. if we read it, it just might help our thinking on this issue. thirdly, i wish to say that we appreciate all of the data that has been given and all the representation that's come from the various departments. but i'm missing something here. we are missing something. not much was said about what goals or visions we are setting. i just read an email by the chief executive officer of

naacp. [tone] who contends that in this nation we have this disproportion at number of african-americans, particularly -- reverend, let me ask a question so you can keep going, please. tell me about more of the disproportionate representation of african-americans. >> disproportion at number nationally. about 12% of the population. but at the adult level we're about 45% to 55%. of incarceration. depending on what area of the country you're in. at the juvenile level we are 60% to 70%. at juvenile hall as cross this country. -- halls across this country. it doesn't take a rocket scientist, a philadelphia lawyer, to explain to us that this picture reflects that the

bottom of this disproportion at number of african-americans being incarcerated is this unfortunate thing that's still in our d.n.a., racism. something that many of us don't want to admit. i didn't call anybody a racist. i said racism. a certain publicly adopt through policy treatment of a certain people that's been in this country ever since slaves were brought here. that was a public policy statement. separate but equal. that was a public policy statement. that wasn't one individual acting. public policy defined that. so that we got to look at realigning, redefining our public policy.

before we dom grips with this problem -- come to grips with this problem, mass incarceration of african-americans followed by latinos in this nation, this state, this county, and city. i want to finish my comments by saying that on the council i didn't hear anything said about -- from the community at all. according to the people's religion, african-americans are the most religious group in this nation. though they don't go to church every sunday, gallup says we're the most religious.

any sunday morning you will find 5% of african-americans in some church of faith community, mosque, meeting place. 43% of whites. about 30% latinos. and about 20% asians. so if you want to get to the african-american community and really make a difference, you got to go through the church, the faith community. but we are not doing that. they have begun to do it in the state of florida, and they have had some successful best practices in decreasing the recidivism rate. i don't have time explain those

programs. but you can google them on the internet thanks to this age of mass communication. the data and information is out there. and i wish to say that as regards to the police department, yes, we ought to raise a question about why the chief was treated last night the way he was. and i, for one, said i was embarrassed. it was unfortunate that a young man lost his life. we must get the facts as to what happened around that. but there's no excuse for bad behavior at all. i might be misunderstood by saying this. i'm going to tell the truth. that was bad behavior, and it shouldn't have happened. however, we must keep in mind,

supervisor cohen raised the question, why is there this mistrust? in the part of the african-american community with the police department. one great, sage mind said people tend to hate each other because they fear each other. they fear each other because they do not know each other. and they do not know each other because of a lack of communication. going back to my days on this board, i often sat in in chamber and said we will never deal with this mistrust of the police personnel until we get the patrol, police personnel, in these challenged communities in which they will know the community, the community will know them. but in our police departments

there has been major resistance to the idea of officers living in the community and having a beat in the community like they do in certain upscale communities around this nation. and including san francisco. so that we can only, supervisor cohen, i feel in part deal with this question of mistrust when we get more african-american police. i'm not saying only an african-american can do quality policing, but there's a greater opportunity for one to do it. it ought to be an integrated force, yes. when those officers do not live in the community and the community don't know them and they don't know the community, you are setting yourself up for that unfortunate psychological

mindset of you, the enemy and we don't trust you. it's my hope that we can go beyond that and really take all of this data and information and realize that all we discussed here about this realignment will come to not unless we understand, as the commercial said, the only way that maxwell house coffee can be good to the last drop is that you don't just put the coffee in the cup and the cream in there. you got to have a stirer to stir it up. once you stir it up, you can drink it and say it's good to the last drop. and my question is, who is going to stir up all of this plan? if we don't have somebody who's

the czar, who's going to hold all of these departments accountable, we can go over all the plans, talk about all the good things we have in mind, but it will come to not unless we're held accountable to somebody stirring it up. and also the providers for re-entry programs ought to be fairly distributed in the community. there are some major big box agencies that have been getting these contracts. but the culturally sensitive programs get peanuts or the leftovers. we ought to spread it around, the money and resources. it's just like cow manure. it does nothing to the ground unless you spread it around. thank you very much. low gordon, terry anders, karl,

please. pastor bell, judith gallardo, leslie marie. emily harris. >> good afternoon, supervisor mirkarimi. chairman mirkarimi. . thank you for waiting. >> i'm the founder of the recovery survival network. we have been surfing san francisco's ex-offender population from the corner of 16th and mission now since 1997. we know this population. we understand what this population needs. they trust us because we represent true cultural competency. there's a difference in having a contract and putting some refined words on a piece of paper talking about what cultural competency really means. cultural competency means having people of the same ethnicity and/or of the same

mindset working with one another. our agency understanding the needs of this population has developed family of friends clean and sober living network. we are a california association of alcohol recovery resources certified in all of our locations. we currently have 10 s.r.o. master leases. we are extremely proud of the housing that we provide. the house we took older buildings and worked with some of san francisco's housing development companies that have embraced us. the private sector has been our guardian angel. of -- not contracts, because contracts are so skewed sometimes in a lot of different ways as i think reverend brown brought up. the point of it being is, if

there's a will, there's a way. we've all heard the old statement that it takes a village to raise a child. well, it takes this whole community to help somebody re-enter the community and stay. [tone] stay in a positive lifestyle. what we have done is we've developed master leases on 10 buildings. we're in the process now of our building 52 units that we're going to be housing all of our people in s.r.o.'s. we don't have two or three people stacked up on top of each other. i just believe that -- [tone] if the community understands what's going on and they use the resources that a lot of us agencies have already started to implement, i think we will have our realignment problem pretty well solved. that's it for me. thank you very much. chairman mirkarimi: thank you for the optimism. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, supervisors.

pastor bell. the first thing i want to do is compliment the district attorney's office and the public defender because they're the only ones that have stepped up with some new thinking. this old archaic way of doing business, if we would take that $20 million and pay these youngsters or whoever is coming out, pay them $30,000 a year, say stay out of jail, we'd only spend $18 million. this is crazy. we keep going down the same road. we form these groups, we form these little clicks. and no community input. nobody has come out to the community and said what do you need? how can you help us? the police department, where's the captain? he's not even here. they're not concerned! and i was one of the ones that stood up and talked to the mayor and talked to the police chief to get them to exercise some discretion and empathy to

the african-american community. and, here. look at this. they're not even concerned about a new way of doing things. enforcement, enforcement. you know, folks, come on. this is like taking the fox and telling him to watch the chicken coup. these people have already failed! that's why they're in jail! these people -- the police department, the parole department, and all of these people are the same people who have been sending these people back, back, back, back to jail. and now we're going to turn them right back over to the same people. [tone] supervisor cohen, i just want to say i would suggest that you pull together a group of community folks, other people in other departments. let's come up with some new thinking. enough of this old thinking, folks. everybody's talking about, well, we're going to incarcerate. we got jail space. i don't want you to fill your jail space up. i want sheriffs out of

business. i want the police department out of business. because my people are the ones that are getting killed the most. [tone] my people end newspaper jail the most. supervisor cohen: i have a question. thank you, sir. i just wanted to follow up on a statement that you said earlier. you commended the district attorney's office for suggesting new ways. what did you hear that was new? >> oh, the district attorney, they're talking about programs that officers or people that would go out into the community and talk with people, to help them with their sentencings. and the courts that they're talking about. just a new way of thinking. forgive me. i wrote one -- alternative community courts and alternative sentencings and those kinds of things. new ways of thinking. i would suggest -- i didn't hear all of these departments saying, well, we've all sat

down, talked together and strategized and talked about some new ways of approaching controlling -- criminalology. those are the kinds of things i'm looking for. some new idea of how do we keep these people out of jail. like i'm saying, if you took this $20 million and gave everybody $30 thousand a year and said if you don't go to jail, you get to keep this $30,000, we'd save some money. right? chairman mirkarimi: reverend, the re-entry council i think didn't have an opportunity to get into all of the programs because that's exactly what the council is, is everybody sitting down and talking about these new programs. so i think the re-entry council needs to promote better exactly what it is you're talking about. of -- because that is the by product of what you're talking about. and you're right, you're not informed of it. >> i certainly would like to get together with