new bathrooms. it states all bathroom vents are too fat to the exterior, providing -- are to vent to the exterior. where are these? i am concerned about the sound and vibration if they are to be next to my master bedroom wall. this is where the air light wells are proposed to be filled in and also where the proposed elevator will go. on page a1-03, there is a proposed alternate exit sign off on by the fire department. there was also habitable space inside the garage. they will fill in the light was on the north facade, which is next to my master bedroom wall. they're going to provide mezzanines and exterior decks at the rear. all of this is stamped and approved by the d.a.

this provides three new fire- rated windows. commissioner hwang: sorry to interrupt you. you are going through a document i don't believe i have in front of me. are you talking about the plans? >> the plans. commissioner hwang: i don't have plans. it was some not -- it was not submitted and i don't have it in front of me. ok, just wanted to make sure what you are referring to. >> i am referring to the plans. commissioner hwang: we don't have them. >> shall i go on? commissioner hwang: continue. i'm just letting you know. >> this allows french doors and guard rails, which must be in anticipation of the new rear deck on the east level. as you can see from my garden photographs -- these decks will

take all of our southern light and sun exposure. they also looked down into our garden, hence the privacy again. there was a pre-permit issuance meeting. we were only notified it and attended a pre application meeting a few days after christmas, during christmas vacation. my whole family attended at 1.5 hour meeting. there were no chairs for us at the meeting ms. cheng did not speak at the meeting. her architect was the only one who spoke. i am also wondering when these other permits will happen. i am assuming we will be notified. i want to be protected in my

home, as does my tenant. i am hoping there is something like a sound or vibration rating or something like that that would make sure that the wonderful quality of life and our home is to remain for generations to come. i am sure that all of you here today would hope for the same outcome from this remodel. again, thank you for taking the time to listen. vice president garcia: ms. harris, it seems to have confused this commissioner, and perhaps others. you're a. -- your appeal seems to be based on an elevator and rear deck, it this calls note for -- get this calls for no elevator or rear deck. >> right. vice president garcia: and then you brought up the issue of baths and whether or not they are properly vented, and then

property line windows, which i think are part of this permit. did i miss something else? what other issues you have with the. that is before us tonight? -- what other issues do you have with the permit that is before us tonight? >> what we went up and saw on the plans is there is a drawing of the master project, and it is marked approved and it shows an elevator and rear decks. that is what the correction was of his. vice president garcia: and mr. duffy will clear that up, but that is not before us now. my question is, you have an issue with the baths and whether they are properly vented, correct? >> yes. vice president garcia: you have an issue with the property line windows that you think will infringe upon your privacy. >> yes. vice president garcia: the question is, are there any other issues with this current permit before is that you have? >> no, my only issue was if it

was on the plans that i saw it mean that it is approved? vice president garcia: "it" meaning? >> whatever was on that plan. vice president garcia: he will clear that up. about but we do not have that permit -- but we do not have that permit before us. there is no permit in front of us that has anything to do with an elevator or anything to do with decks. >> so what you are saying is even know there are stamped "approved" on the plans we saw, they are not approved? the elevator has not been approved? vice president garcia: i don't have a comment on that. i am trying to narrow down the issues that are under the umbrella of the permit that is before us. is it fair to say those issues would have to do with the baths and the property line windows? >> i think that is correct. vice president garcia: i

understand your concern about something that may happen in the future, but i'm just trying to be clear about what we are to deal with tonight. >> yes. vice president garcia: thank you. commissioner hwang: i think some of the issues that you raised will be clarified by the department. >> oh, good. we can hear from the permit holder now. >> my name is bill. i am the architect. originally, my client was going to speak first, but i will. i am going to clarify this. when i start a project as an architect, especially considereh density building, it is an existing building. we were proposing remodeling to let, fairly extensive internal remodeling. the first thing i like to do, because the building codes are not always clear as regards to

the intent to remodeled buildings, there really written for the intent -- sorry, for new buildings. the first thing that i did was to write a letter to the city. we came down. we spoke to both the department of building inspection and the san francisco fire department. what you are looking at was my pre application notes. in order to make sure -- for example, we had questions about the extent of the fire sprinklers, we had issues about the extent of the accident. significant issues, we have a wood stair. one of my concerns was if that would have to be replaced. we had a great number of questions in terms of the safety of the building and in terms of great cost implications, fire sprinklers and the amount of construction. we met with them. a-103 reflects that.

when you submit your subsequent drawings, it is a requirement that we submit that pre application in order to be helped. in order to avoid additional costs, to clarify with dbi, i showed those notes that were signed by them, as well as the plans we used. on those plans, they did have an elevator and they had a light welfare plan, but those were questions. they were never part of the scope of the project. subsequent to that, we had another permit, referred to as 2010, which missed genet knows about. i have five wonderful chairs in my office. i bring them home during thinks giving them back to my office, said that as a not true statement. we did meet regarding the issues

in terms of the back and regarding the light will fill land. the only issue that we spoke of that night, the main issue with regards the elevator. what i said was when and if we ever propose an elevator, i will call you up. in the month that followed, i was sent several e-mails. did not ask about the elevator. i would get emails like, where are your elevator controls? at a certain point, i referred this to my client and said she should be contacting the powers in regards to these issues. i just want to clarify it was never the intent of this permit ever to have a light well fill- in or elevator or any decks, and two of those issues are on another permit, which mrs. harris is aware of. thank you. vice president garcia: i think it got down to an issue of the baths and whether they are

properly vented and property line windows. would you address those issues? >> the issues are up towards the front of the property. they do not look into anybody's window. they do get a nice view, but they're not near remotely any part of her building. if you look at the site plan, she has a rather extensive driveway. the house is pushed back quite far. you really do not start seeing any of her house until we get to the light well quite a distance back. the windows in no way impinge upon her privacy whatsoever, nor was the issue ever raised. buvice president garcia: and the issue of the baths, the funding? -- tghhe venting? >> the bathroom fans they make today are wonderful and relatively quiet. i don't know what to say, if he cannot have fans, there are a

code requirement, there is no way of building without having them. but the only thing i can say, by today's standards, we build wonderful fans. i don't think there will be an issue of noise or vibration. they are inside the house. the house will be well- insulated. second, i think there is one vanity on the property line, the main baths are on different parts of the house, quite far from miss harris' house. i don't think there will be an issue with a lever. vice president garcia: all baths that will be built will be built to code? >> they will. vice president garcia: thank you, sir. >> mr. duffy? >> could i say one thing? i did speak with mr. dufty yesterday. i went down and saw mr. dufty yesterday. it was my understanding that he had called ms. harris and explain to her there is no way that sperm that -- that this

permit, that the elevators or deaths were incorporated into this permit. >> good evening, commissioners. joe duffy, dbi. i met with both sides and i am hoping to clear up issues. there are no decks or an elevator approved on this. that is under appeal. there is a drawing that shows the master plan, as described. it is on there for the pre application purposes. definitely, it would not be permitted to be allowed to build the deck or install the elevator under this permit.

i issued a correction notice to clarify that. there are no? approved on the -- there are no decks approve. it is on there for application purposes. it would not be permitted to build a deck or install under this permit and i issued a correction notice and i gave that to both sides. i thought that might be the sensible thing to do even though the project has not started. if they did attempt to build a deck, there would stop. the events for the bathrooms,

that would be under code. they're not any issues with the department. >> are there other permits that are insured or in the process of review? >> there is another building permit on site. for the? on the elevators and that is going through the process at the minute. we can get that clarified. >> that is ok. >> three levels of? . -- of decks. it has not been sent yet for notification. >> there is an issue of serial permitting filed?

>> there will be along the process on the decks. the architect for some reason or another chose to split up. i would not call that serial permitting. it is interior work on that permit that is under review tonight. >> the appellate requested clarification on when some document stamped approved -- can you help us with that? i do not know what document she is referring to. >> thougon the front pages of te plan, the showed, there was some drawings for that meeting and that showed the elevator and the deck. these are the existing and proposed, even though it is on

there, we would not recognize that as an approval. it does not have any structural details. because it has an approved stamp on their, i certainly -- if i were called to that job and someone said it is on this, i would not recognize that. >> what did they stamp indicate? what is the point of the stamp? >> that is a good question. there is not enough to build it. when you go further into the plan -- >> commissioner peterson: what is on the plan? >> on the plan -- if you want to get into legal things, that is part of the legal question. you would be allowed to do that.

>> vice president garcia: would- be -- the building would be approved by the processes on the sheet. >> that is a good question. >> commissioner peterson: it is a source of confusion. >> it might have been better if there was a circular that said this is -- someone should have said that. there was definitely no way they could build a deck or put an elevator because there is no details. we would -- if they tried that, it would be stopped. even though it said approve, it is not properly approved. >> commissioner peterson: thank you. questions for the zoning administrator? commissioners?

public comment on this item? >> i am merv silverberg. there are some concerns i have here in front of me. i went out to that meeting at the architect's office, where it used to be lowell high school and that was the closest i got to seeing anything. i was promised though i would see some plans after that. i have a problem, i have never gotten a piece of paper since then or the notice which by the

way i will leave that for you. i have three other ones here. which involved obviously the blocks around there, 3934 36th clay street, 3732 sacramento st., these are current notices. i do not know why could not get the one that is right next door to me. i have the property south of this property. i know the property extremely well. it is a four story building built after the earthquake and fire. my concern is what will happen if there is such a thing as what has been going on and i am not notified again about what is happening. the future with the building, i am concerned that what could happen to my building and that is an important aspect of this. the process is what i am

questioning more than anything else. if i am notified about these others, why did i not get plans on this? i would like to have somebody tell me is that a brick foundation, is it a concrete foundation? these things could affect the stability of that building. which is leaning against mine. when they go through the process of reconstruction, what is going to happen to my building. that is what i am concerned about. ms. harris has owned the property for years. we used to me at her house. i know this building extremely well. i used to go to the top floor of this building. a lot of stairs. an elevator might be a good idea but i need to know it is going to be done properly.

this is not the correct process. thank you. i hope to make the right decision. -- i hope you make the right decision. >> any other public comment? you have an opportunity -- we will start with rebuttals. if you have anything else to say, you have three minutes. >> i am bill ronson, and i was the one doing most of the male's back and forth -- emails back and forth. we were aware that there were more permits in the pipeline that may include the elevator and the other stuff. our concern is air wells on to the master bedroom suite. if you put an elevator next to the master bedroom suite, we want to be sure that the noise

and vibration will not be there. if that is done and the bathroom has fans that vibrate or make noise, that is fine. we do not care that want to put four elevators, but we want to be sure the privacy of the house and also the lighting, the noise and vibration issue. as long as we can proceed on that basis, we're fine with it. thank you. >> thank you. >> we have a bottle from the permit holder now. -- rebuttal from the permit holder now. >> regarding the comments, i do not know if i need to reply. we're talking about a permit which is not in front of you. it was for the permit, the deck

and igh light well fill in. no drawings have gone out. we did not meet with mr. silver man. i was turning in my life, everyone was leaving. he said everyone is going home, will i get to see a copy of the drawing? i explained the would be mailed to him, this part of the 311 process. if he is within 150 foot radius, he would receive for the plan. that is not the permit in front of you know. i will make a suggestion. there is a lot of bad communication. i try to keep my policy for everybody. what i am hoping is some good comes out of this meeting, where more than happy to meet with ms. harris regarding elevators. the moment we felt were going to propose it in the permit prior to doing that, i would let her know that and give her the

opportunity to be with us to see the location. she has this fixed notion we will put in this light will. we have not designed one. i have not been told to go ahead. if we did an elevator it might not be in the allied well -- light well. once again, the best thing is i keep an open door policy regarding neighbors. we are more than willing to meet with her face to face but that is not the permit tonight. mykleby regarding the drawings. i am an architect. -- mea culpa regarding the drawings. i -- i wildest imagination i never thought that based on that she that this would ever get in front of you.

again, my apologies about that but that is not the intent of the drawings. id o want to correct that -- i do want to correct a statement that we have proposed an elevator. no elevator has been proposed on any drawings that have been submitted to the city for a permit. thank you. >> anything more from the department? commissioners, the matter is submitted. >> i do not believe i have enough information to consider the concerns raised with respect to the proper line window -- property line windows. i would request commissioners consider the possibility of extending this out so i can take a look at this -- these drawings.

>> i think -- the issues that potentially may occur between these neighbors is not based on his permit. and obviously, the level of communication has not been great. i would recommend that it improves a lot otherwise. there will be many appeals. -- i would recommend it improves the lot, otherwise, there will be many appeals. we have the permit indicates the seismic nature of -- some

reconstitution of the interior spaces. i have enough with that. i hope they are able to resolve their differences in terms of what information is required for their next permit. it appears there will be another one and i think that is the one that will be the main focus between the their agreement or disagreement. -- either their agreement or disagreement. >> one of you, one commissioner is satisfied with the permit and what has been discussed here tonight and another commissioner is asking for a continuance because the commissioner is not satisfied we have enough information in front of us having to do with the windows. when understanding is you felt the clarification had been reached here tonight and you,

speaking on behalf of ms. harris, you are content with the resolution at least having to do with this permit. would you go to the microphone and let us know if you are satisfied that the property line windows are as described by the architect and verified by mr. duffy that they're not impinging on the privacy of this house? >> we are concerned about the windows, exactly where they're going to be looking. that we're not clear on. we have clarified a lot tonight, yes, but that we're not clear on. we appreciate your comment -- we do not know enough as to where those windows will be. >> do we have drawings with us tonight? as the architect have it? -- and does the architect have it? even though some people appear may be able to leave, i

recommend we have a five minute recess and look at it and if you want to request a continuance if we do not have those plans, you might get one. if you are satisfied with what is presented to you as to whether or not that is going to impinge upon your privacy, maybe we can put this to bed tonight. >> i appreciate the effort to be efficacious. my concern and the desire to have this opportunity to review the plans is that i do not believe that given the discussions and presentations we have heard that the appellant has efficient -- i do not know of five minutes is going to do it here. it could, we will hear back. we heard from the permit holder that there is n ot goi