vice president marshall: we do not need to schedule that now. commissioner chan: in regard to the bayview, i wanted to make sure that we keep that communication open and public, and i know that you have done a great job. >> the gentleman spoke in the line of fire. the line of fire would be looking between me and you. there were no children in the line of fire. this is to the east of where the shooting happened, but the shooting happened actually as you look through mandel plaza and a cross through the parking lot. it is about 20 yards versus five off to the right and just up the hill. obviously, the officers would never return fire if they thought anybody, especially children, were in danger, and

they would not fire if they did not believe their own lives were in danger. none of the rounds that the officers fired found anybody other than one round hitting the man. and then there was also a question about the muni cameras. there is actually a structure that is on the west side of the plaza that would block any cameras from muni from shooting where the foot chase or the shots were fired from. commissioner chan: thank you. president mazzucco: you have shown great leadership. we went out, myself and dr. marshall and a commissioner, and we did not have a quorum, but you showed great leadership in a

very, very difficult situation, and i was very impressed by that, and i know dr. marshall was, too. think you for your leadership, and think you for your transparency. it has been very helpful, and obviously, we saw some concern in the community, and it is obviously a much bigger picture. i really want to thank you for your leadership. >> and i know the officers appreciate the community support. it was lost on everybody how many people were there that night. thank you to dr. marshall. i got to be a radio person last sunday night. it was fun for me, and i very much appreciated getting out of the dialogue with the community. president mazzucco: great. thank you. sergeant? >> good evening, president

mazzucco, commissioners, others. i am here to make two presentations, the first one being the second quarterly report of the firearm discharge review board. we convened on an june 23 this year. there are the members shown as listed. we discussed three cases that were brought up on that day. but first case was the officer- involved shooting that took place august 28, 2010. bayview police of a sears responded to reports of a person with a gun. the man fired at the opposite is, and one of the officers fired in return. the second two shootings that were presented that day were officer-involved shootings, one

taking place on september 19 last year involving an off-duty officer who discharged his handguns, suffered self- inflicted wounds. this case has been referred to the police commission, and this is not in policy at this time. the second one was found not in policy. this occurred on october 6, 2010, in los alamos. an officer discharged his weapon, causing self-inflicted fatal injuries. that is the report for the second quarter. do you have any questions? ok, the second presentation has to do with our status report as of july 29. we met back on march 30, 2011. there have been two completed

summary letters. we brought, again, three cases to the firearms discharge board. to review, in 2010, we have three summary letters, but as of this date and time, we have one less, because right now it is working its way through the chain of command. we have four active cases in one referred to the office. the cases we have for 2011, the first one of the year, that has also been referred to the a.d.'s office and internal investigation. we also have the three new active cases that we now have that have now emerged, so a total of 12 cases, three completed investigations, and nine investigations. the next will be the third quarterly meeting. we will need some time in

september at a date to be determined at some time. president mazzucco: commissioners, any questions? commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsley: thank you for your report. i have looked over this, and with the history, going back to the year 2000, 2003, the statistics and number of shooters -- officer-involved shootings, and some years, there are just a few, and in other years, like 2010, there are many, and i wonder if either you or did she have any analytic comments you would like to make regarding trends or why in some years there are so few and in other years so many, you know, if any sort of analysis has been done in connection with these statistics?

>> i mean, i would love it if there were none. the officers are active. they are where we want them to be. shootings this year are actually up. firearms seizures are up. firearm seizures have been high for several years now, as the fatal violence or the fatal homicides go down, so, again, i mean, a lot of folks that wyngate just in a gunfight i would suggest might be people who would do shootings or homicides were they not engaged with us, so i think that one of the larger reasons we have a reduction in homicides is our officers are talking to the right people, and when they are talking to the right people, especially over the last couple of years, those same people who may be want to do homicide's

choose to do that sort of violence towards us, and as i said a couple of times, we are going to shoot back. >> and also, i cannot tell you what year it was, but we did change the definition, so at that time, it may have been investigated -- it may have been listed as an officer-involved shooting. commissioner kingsley: thank you. present m -- president mazzucco: thank you. as we move to the next part of the report, officers exposed to dramatic incidents, and this is something that commissioner chan and i have talked about, and additionally commissioner dejesus. you can see how chaotic and traumatic the situation was.

the look on officers bases that were involved in this case, and we of concern about what we do with officers that are involved in these situations which are very painful and difficult situations, and we were looking at our crisis intervention team, so as we sit here, we hear a lot of concern about what is going on in a community, what is going on with the suspect, but not often do we year, hey, how are the opposite is doing, because this is a big event in their life. it is very important to us that the officers are taken care of, and more importantly, we as a commission see a trend. we see disciplinary cases. quite frankly, all too often, without any this is the case described, we are hearing about an officer involved in a traumatic episode, traumatic stress disorder, and it does not come up until we have a

disciplinary process. we want to have a process and do more. so we asked the chief for a brief presentation. we know you guys do a great job out there, but let us know what we can do for these officers in the short term and what we can do? we think we can do more. we understand, too, it is the attitude of the police department. men and women join the police department because they're interested in serving the community, but also, there is a bit of munchies note -- a bit of machismo. somebody has to say, "look, we need to get a handle on it." commissioner chan? commissioner chan: i actually agree with everything you just said, and i am looking at the

calendar. president mazzucco: sergeant? >> i have been with the department for 25 years in the behavioral science department. if i can go over what it does, it is a confidential unit which provides psychological support to members and their family. we provide referrals to a group of licensed police specialty providers. the train themselves with a simulator. they are licensed clinicians who are committed to dealing with police of a sears and their families to make sure that they are culturally competent in law enforcement issues. the chain of command, the impact, we try to minimize the impact by a conducting it debriefings post incident, such as officer-involved shootings,

but not only those but any incident that could suck allegedly impact an officer, such as witnessing a death or a multiple casualty incident, a fire, anything involving children, which can be dramatic, even close call situations, but so what we do specifically in regards to critical incidents, we think that we recently passed out a card for you which we call the blue card. officers are given this card from our critical incident response team when they are involved in shootings so they have a better idea of what to expect, which lessens some of the feeder and the unknown around the investigation like this, -- which lessen some of the fear and the unknown around investigations like this, which helps. within 72 hours, what we do is conduct a critical incident

debriefing with the officers, which is a formal process, not a tactical debriefing. we do not discuss the incident or the details of the incident, but we have a debriefing. our chaplains are involved in this process as well as clinicians brief it is your driven, and i am the one that usually conducts the process. the officer who is a shooter or involved in the shooting, it is mandated that they attend that debriefing, which i think is a great idea. it forces them to be involved. the critical response team that we have set up consists of on call teams, 30 officers involved who volunteer their time to respond to officers involved in critical incidents. they are available 24/7, and they can be gotten a hold of by contacting the center. there is what we call psychological first aid, and

they are there just to act as partner officers to get them through the incident. if they respond to the station or the scene, it insures that the officer sort of diffuses from the scene and sort of goes from the high crisis state to a safer place, which we call homeostasis, so that they can art of the process with the critical response team is they are responsible for maintaining follow-up with that officer. the one-year anniversary of the incident, they communicate with them. after the incident, they checked in by phone or call -- or meet up with the officer. what was proposed was to have two of our license clinicians do what we call sort of an interview check in with the officers as part of the deep breathing process, and that way, because they are licensed, they are able to assess that and make

sure that we help mitigate some of the trauma that the officer may be experiencing after an incident, and, again, at a six- month incidents have the offices check in again with the clinician to see how they are doing, and that is something we are currently working with right now. a little bit about, as of july 1, we just went through a new contract with a group that allows each member in each dependent attend free visits to a condition of their choice, which is confidential. they can either do face-to-face visits or using web videos. sometimes officers are stuck in a possible or are in bed or cannot get out, dealing with a catastrophic illness or dealing with small children at home, and this allows them to the counseling for free through web video. it also includes a 24/7 line, free advisers as well as child

and elder care assistance. it also offers a free anger management program, and this is something i think is very beneficial. we currently use our clinicians on hand for anchor management, and i think this is an additional benefit for officers who get in trouble or have issues. piperidine we also have a benefit. this brochure that you might have a copy of. this was written into our contract, and, by the way, this is officer pat buerhle. this is a contract that in our mou that states the officers will have this confidential benefit. they can now use this residential treatment for first responders for free. five of our officers to this

treatment program. it is run by first responders for first responders, and we currently have about five or so officers that have gone for the last years, which is confidential and on their own time, but this is a huge benefit especially for officers who have been exposed to critical incidents. or officer-involved shootings. this is one of the most comprehensive units in the country and has been identified as a national police motto, and we have agencies from all over the world asking us how we run our program. it has been in place since the late 1970's, so it is one of the oldest programs, and it has been successful because we have a body and from the administration, such as the chief, who has always been a

supporter -- because we have buy in. -- ins. one of the reasons you may not hear about it or know about it is because it is very confidential, and we are covered under the confidentiality section, and we have people using it constantly, and it is our goal to make sure that we take care of our officers, and i know, i think you have been given a list of our programs before hand, so if you have any questions, please just ask. commissioner: i have a question. what percentage of our officers take advantage of a whole panoply of these services? >> i would say the majority of them. in the old days, you would just get back on the horse and go back out there, in you are still fresh with the incident. having the 10-day investigators

period or five-day, depending on what the issue is, allows the officers to detach, to feel safe, to get resources, to get the body functioning back to a normal place, which then gives them back to work. we do not want to lose people through disability or three stress. our job is really to get them back up and running, and to make sure we intervene as much as possible not just with them but with the family members to love them. commissioner: how often do intervene with family members? >> all of the time. commissioner: how many of them stay in the program aside from these check bins that you were just talking about? >> they are privileged to confidentiality, so we do not check back so that they say so and so gave you a call, but they won't pull let you know. "i am still seeing a clinician.

i like seeing him." so they check in with us and let us know. it has been very beneficial. most of the time, officers will use short-term crisis counseling more than they will long-term therapy, but now since we have 10 sessions as opposed to eight, and we of clinicians may come on board to do jenkins, we are covered in the bigger picture, and i think that is why we have most agencies coming in to say, "how do you do this? how do you set this up? " -- up?" : commissioner how do you think we would do if we make this different? >> it is confidential, and it should remain that way. i think it is great for shooters i do not just debriefed the shooter is.

-- shooters. having to stand next to a dead body for ours is dramatic. to let us know what the officers are exposed to, and then i decide whether or not they should be debriefed. they do not have to. most of the time, they do. once they participate in the debriefing process, that gives them hooked into the resources, and they develop a relationship with all of those programs, and then it becomes less of a stigma, and people realize it's so much that it has become part of our system, so much for that if the team does not respond to their ads and, they say, "how come no one came to my incident? " -- ?" we do not just say, "here is my number." we do a lot of follow-up.

commissioner: do you not think it would be mandatory? it is like telling the drug addict they need to go to a drug rehab program that is voluntary. it is hard to get them to do that. to get an officer in to this program, would it not be better to have this be mandatory and remove the stigma? again, would that be a better practice? would it be better for the officer to follow up through the program if it was mandatory? >> it is not a program. it is many programs. we do have a program that includes alcohol and other issues and greece support. it is not a long-term program that they sign up for. commissioner: i understand that. just falling for the program to make sure they have what it

takes it. >> forcing someone to go to therapy, that is sort of a bigger question than the time that we have. president mazzucco: i understand it. >> everyone involved has to do it, so there is no stigma. most mandate they go to a clinician whenever they are involved in a shooting. what the american psychological association chief of police says is they think they are in trouble because there might be something wrong with them. we want to have all of the doors open and resources available. that does not mean that we just say, "good luck." this is more than in any part of the country. they make the check and no how

to appropriately for royals. we are meshed in with them, and if somebody is falling apart, we know about it. yes, people slip through the cracks, only because they choose to not ask for help. i do understand intervening when people are in crisis, but it takes away the ability to access it freely when you mandate too much. president mazzucco? commissioner kingsley? commissioner kingsl;ey -- kingsley: safety for your report. it seems like these programs are quite thorough. can you tell us what is set up to get feedback from officers to use the resources or maybe

evaluation in terms of officers who have not used the resources or feel they have not needed to yet, their knowledge about the availability of such comprehensive resources? >> sure. the advanced officers training is every week at the academy. we do a two-hour block. we give an overview of all of the resources, especially because we have a new contract. everybody needs to know what is available to them and how to utilize it. we give them all of the numbers, all of the resources, so they can take it home, and the families can access it. they do not have that stigma of having to ask permission, so they can remain anonymous. we have, we have just started talking more about suicide prevention and utilizing

volunteers to come in and tell their story. we are doing more interaction and role-playing around that, but how to deal with other members that are in crisis, so there is a lot of training to be done, but we do a lot already, and we would like to do more. commissioner kingsley: thank you. do you see of a form? -- do you have a form? >> it shows how much time they spent discussing and whether or not they made a referral, and with 300 pure supporters -- peer supporters, but for me, sitting in the car 10 hours with your partner, if you are venting

about your divorce or your issue with your elderly parents that may be no, been not been taking it out on the street or not abusing verbally the public, so therefore, you have a place to do it with people who are trained to listen, and i think showing that there are that many contacts, people are utilizing peers over and over, so that tells me it works. they're in a locker room talking about whatever is going on before they hit the streets, and it is diffused, dissipating some of that stress, and that is one of the best ways to tell, other than keeping the statistics -- we do keep that in terms of how many officers are involved in incidents. some of what happened in the incident and what can we do better at the incident, whether or not we have done a follow-up debriefing, and whether or not we need to, so we do do some of that. we do not keep documentation on

what we talk about because of confidentiality. commissioner kingsley: so your information basically comes from the use and reuse of resources? ok. thank you. president mazzucco: commissioner chan? commissioner chan: that you for your report. it is important to have these resources. in an imaginary world, that we will hopefully make happen, what staff would you like? specifically what type of education, qualification, certification would you want? clinicians, psychologists, etc.? >> having a good psychologist on-site would keep people from walking through the door, and that is a research based truth. in koran school, i have my

masters and johnson psychology, and i did some research on that. officers are most likely to talk to other officers burst above because the trust factor, and that is one of the reasons why they will not seek out what is available to them. they will seek out of reserves to have been there, done that, and they trust. it is a subculture. there are several clinicians, which i talked about before, who are also police of a service to our ph.d., and those officers they trust, and these are also the ones that we spoke to the chief about putting them on board as part of the debriefing process, so that would be some oversight to have a licensed clinician checking in with officers and even being on site with other officers, because they know them and are one of the specialty providers, and the police specialty providers are a subgroup that have been with the behavioral science group for over 20 years, and mos