due to some great work, really looking into this, we may in this situation have reduced the impact fee because of removal of some square footage. we will have some bigger picture discussion with the sfmta. that we need to have and some of the triggers, itis a full amount. we are three years in. this can be a deterrent in villing lon-term g-term vacanci.

we don't have legislation before us this month because of the brae says. some items you have heard in the past. and where they are. the limited live performance had at second reading. -- its second reading last week. targeting the time frame from when the mayor would sign the legislation to the 30 day window it needs to sit before becomes law. we are looking at early november before first applications can be taken. then the ada policy, one to let you know that another presentation is coming up with the inner sunset merchants. i attended of presentation which

is the certified access specialist institute. interesting presentation and discussion by most of the individuals who were there are certified inspectors. some of the nuances with the 2010 regulations. the fact there is not enough clarity. it was interesting to hear the questions to. and still no definitive answers. it really speaks to the complications around this issue. and the difficulty for businesses to understand what is required. there received a presentation

from the city side. you will have the presentation for working on scheduling business outreach meetings. and the america's cup organizing committee. we started to schedule those meetings. i will send you the list of business organizations we have set them up with. and october is the month we are doing our business to business presentations and the commissions will be receiving one at the october meeting. also with a consolidation of the annual buildinbilling, the tax d treasurer has -- the

presentation was made last week and we will -- will be making a presentation on september 19. just to get the word out and make sure we are in forming businesses of the plan. then september 19, a week from today, there is a joint meeting with both the commission president and vice president. and our commission. the nondiscrimination for prior arrest conviction records will be doing a presentation on that item and soliciting feedback to the council of district merchants on september 19. since that is something the commission has received a presentation on, i wanted to keep you apprised of the business organizations they are reaching out to to get input

from. i mentioned last month there is a health service master plan task force that the office as part of. there is a public meeting scheduled on september 22. i will send you the details and the information that is covered that will be presented. what this is is to take a look at providing health services in relationship to a planning -- and adding a planning perspective overlapping providing health services. there is one meeting and that is what was covered. well, probably soon.

i do not have the details right now. also i want to make mt. that commissioner raley will speak to this. we have been advised by yvonne yee who introduced herself, she is the western region policy advocate. there is some food policy issues coming down that have some interesting implications. commissioner reilly will speak more about that meeting. in terms of calendar items, the merchant meeting is happening on september 19. and then there is their annual

gala on october 27. make sure you save the day. >> that completes your report but? >> i almost forgot. i did not put this in your report. small business leaders have come together to develop a conference in the winter period february 2012 to develop an agenda. a list of items to present to our city elected officials in terms of small business priorities to be focused and worked on. commissioner reilly has been invited to be on the committee and help with business outrage. i know commissioner dooley has

expressed interest in being on it as well. >> commissioner adams. commissioner adams: i want to thank the director for coming to the meeting on september 1 and bringing -- we had a presentation for the annual billing. she reiterated ada which was kind of a reminder. and on behalf of that, that triggered a lot of people wanting to get inspections. i want to thank her for coming and speaking at our meeting. >> thank you. commissioner? commissioner riley: it is not a full meeting, just the two presidents and the vice presidents. >> correct.

>> any public comment? seeing none, next item. >> item 13. 13a, legislative and policy committee report, allowing the chair to report on recent committee activities and make announcements. >> we have nothing to report that has not been in front ob. discussion and possible action to form an ad hoc committee to meet with members of the planning commission and other persons to discuss formal retail related matters. >> in preparation with the planning commission, if from that meeting will want to initiate one of the topics that will be discussed is taking a look at formula retail.

and so the legislation and policy committee has selected a subcommittee. i advise that we affirm the recommendation. so the meeting should be scheduled relatively sen. if that is the fashion that will be taken that there is subcommittees' developed to start your review and analyze different topics. the subcommittee could not have to wait until after our october meeting to have its first meeting. as the chair for the committee -- >> we discussed having a couple people from our commission be on the ad hoc committee. and i would like to move that forward in terms of do we want

to discuss the makeup of that committee? president o'brien: i anticipate there will be an ongoing dialogue and that would involve a subcommittee. i'm not sure yet what we think the -- it will be maybe three people in the subcommittee on both sides. i like that as a number. i tend to be a member on that subcommittee. and whoever else is stepping forward to be on that subcommittee, i would like to hear. >> i would like to be on the subcommittee for formula retail discussion. >> do we have anybody else? >> i thought the the legislation

and policy committee had decided to make a formal motion on a subcommittee which consisted -- >> that is my recollection. >> i will move. >> we need public comment. president o'brien: do we have public comment? seeing none, we have a motion

on the floor. we're looking for a second. >> the committee is making a recommendation. president o'brien: there are three on the committee and i cannot do it. >> i will make the motion. >> this is the motion from the legislative and policy committee, making a motion for a subcommittee. there will likely be topics where we have other subcommittees that made -- need formatino. -- formation. both of the commission's want to come together to take a look at.

commissioner o'connor: my question was related to what the director was just saying. the intent of this is to vaguely analyze where we're at right now, or is there a specific, a new direction we want to go with this? >> i think at this point, the direction is not specifically been identified. there has been discussion at the planning commission and this commission. the criteria at the planning commission uses for formula retail needs to be re-analyzed and see if there needs to be changes, modifications, updates. any new criteria. both commissions basically come together and analyze and perhaps come together with new proposals on what that would be.

that is yet to be determined. >> just to clarify, the ad hoc committee is set to work with another committee to then set the agenda for the joint meeting? is that what the committee is for? >> the committee in discussions, there is going to be some time that is needed to do some research and analysis. and discussion before having a joint committee meeting. >> ok. that is what the ad hoc committee will do, research and analysis? >> that is right. >> any of the decision we still have to pass the full board. >> the commission can provide updates. that is not to say a

commissioner can also -- a commissioner can join the meeting but they cannot speak as a commissioner but can be there as a member of the public. there is somebody that is not on the committee. these meetings will have to be agenda as to -- agendized. president o'brien: do we have a second? >> i think we have to move forward. i have some -- i think there will be some serious discussions. we are collating information. any member of this commission can sit in on any of these meetings. we cannot participate if we are not a member. can we forward questions based on -- you remember the public

but you're not a member of the commission. you do not have a vote at the committee level. >> my guess is that this point in time, i am not so sure we're getting to votes. it is direction to department staff on doing research analysis and findings for the committee. no matter what topic is, there could be a proposal that is brought forward. at that point, i would imagine the committee, legislation and can -- policy committee will have the commission briefed on discussions, steps, thoughts, ideas, direction that the

discussion is going in. the commission will be kept apprised as to what the committee is doing. >> i do not think there is anything that would be distinguished -- to distinguish and non-member of the subcommittee. i do not think -- if you look at the other subcommittees, they reported their findings and their recommendations to the full commission for anything that needs an action item. that will always be the case. there is a lot of discovery involved here. it is a work in progress to see what happens. and then there is the opportunity for people to get on if they want to be on this subcommittee later. we might not have three as a number after we meet with the planning commissioner.

we have coverage for any one of the subcommittee who cannot be there and it allows for backup. that is where we came with the number. it has not been agreed yet. as the starting process, that is what we thought we were doing. commissioner o'connor: do we know who is working on this committee from planning? >> we do not know yet. i know president olague has an idea. president o'brien: she investigated. at the beginning. >> she did. commissioner riley: with this operate the same as any khomeni? not making any decisions? listen to presentations and ask

questions and do some research and come up with a recommendation for the full commission? >> correct. >> i am going to second this. so we can move forward. president o'brien: 20 to take a vote for the record? -- and do we need to take a vote for the record? commissioner adams? >> aye. commissioner clyde? >> aye. commissioner riley? commissioner riley: yes. >> we met last month with the mta and i thought we got an interesting discussion on how impact fees work.

and especially with the case with summers which regina spoke about earlier. there needs to be some changes based on small businesses and use changes especially in the mission. that is something i know our committee, and janet and i will be looking at that going forward. would you like to make a comment on that? >> i think i found it most illustrative that members of the different departments have no idea out. when people pay for different fees and structures. not only of the not dial than into the different departments but even within their own department fee on top of the. >> the thing i took away from it is impact fees.

if you are in the eastern neighborhoods, you have the impact fee. if you are doing certain businesses, you are hit with that transit impact fee. that is hundreds of thousands of dollars. if you're a mom and pop shop wine to open a business in a warehouse, it will discourage you from opening up a business, especially in the eastern side of the city. that is what i got letters that. that is one of the things i would like to explore. >> there were people working in the department who understand the impact fees have on small businesses and they are willing to work to the extent they can with small businesses to help them get open because they are cognizant of the economic time we are in. and the dire employment picture

particularly in our eastern neighborhoods, many of these businesses are moderate income and providing moderate income jobs, entry-level jobs. fortunately, we seem to have people who are willing to work with the -- in the department. >> can i comment? i was there at the meeting. the same observation was made. in particular case was discussed. the range of fees they would have to pay went from $20,000 to $60,000 to $15,000 and clearly, it is apart from everything else, it is just not fair that somebody wants to start a business in san francisco has to be given such on certain intermission from a city department, it is not right spirit -- it is not right.

it was suggested it should be possible to put a tabular form together to address the differences in the neighborhoods and other significant parts of the equation that go to resolve how much it will cost to they agreed to take that on board to see if it was possible to put something together that is more understandable for people starting a business to reference the chart. and to get some certainty, even if it was within $5,000, they could probably handle that. all going from $20,000 to $60,000 was off the charts. notm this time. president o'brien: do we have any public comment? public comment is closed. next item.

>> we have covered everything in the average committee that has been covered previously in this meeting, so i don't have a report. >> item 16, president's report. president o'brien: i did attend the merchant meeting. the ada issue is still causing a lot of alarm. not to regurgitate what was already mentioned, but is getting -- it is affecting businesses there almost on a weekly basis right now. there is a lot of concern coming from the merchant's association about it. i have another item here, but i will wait until the business comes up. >> vice president's report.

commissioner adams: i would like to report that we had our first a small business week meeting and i will be reporting to the commission as co-chair of small business week. we had a very productive meeting last month, and we are preparing. for next year. >> is there a plan for where it will be next year? commissioner adams: we will try to keep it as far as teh flavors - -the flahe flavors. i have been going to that thing for the last 10 years and it was unbelievable. it turned into a big networking event that i think is awesome. class'es during the week will

pretty much mirror what we did this year. some neighborhoods, shop your neighborhood, like in castro, the valley, the marina, it's a big deal. other neighborhoods where we tried to promote that, it wasn't. we're trying to think of something different to pump that up. >> will the construction of the target affect the use of that space? >commissioner adams: it did not last year. >> item 18, commissioner reports. >> i just want to make a brief announcement. next sudnay, th - -- sunday,

the 18, it will be the first walking street for north beach. we are teaming up with chinatown to put on the event. the merchants are very excited about seeing the sunday streets model expanding into other neighborhoods. we are all hoping for the vast and a good turnout. it is all the way up to lombard, and more at the tower. yeah. commissioner clyde: i just want to make a brief announcement about the american institute of architects san francisco. right now, this month, september, they are hosting the architecture and the city

festival, architecture of consequence. there is a full month of programs that is available on- line at the american institute of architecture san francisco chapter. they are presenting programs, walking tours, all about design. someone asked me, what kind of architecture do you like? i like good architecture. it is a good chance to meet people behind some of the innovative businesses. and also, there are 5000 people in town from the organization of pacific economic organization development. it is a high level diplomatic conference. the diplomats and the staff are planning a conference for next year. they are all over the city, and it is really nice to see the people