public comment? seeing none, we have a motion on the floor. we're looking for a second. >> the committee is making a recommendation. president o'brien: there are three on the committee and i cannot do it. >> i will make the motion. >> this is the motion from the legislative and policy committee, making a motion for a subcommittee. there will likely be topics where we have other subcommittees that made -- need formatino. -- formation. both of the commission's want to

come together to take a look at. commissioner o'connor: my question was related to what the director was just saying. the intent of this is to vaguely analyze where we're at right now, or is there a specific, a new direction we want to go with this? >> i think at this point, the direction is not specifically been identified. there has been discussion at the planning commission and this commission. the criteria at the planning commission uses for formula retail needs to be re-analyzed and see if there needs to be changes, modifications, updates. any new criteria. both commissions basically come together and analyze and perhaps

come together with new proposals on what that would be. that is yet to be determined. >> just to clarify, the ad hoc committee is set to work with another committee to then set the agenda for the joint meeting? is that what the committee is for? >> the committee in discussions, there is going to be some time that is needed to do some research and analysis. and discussion before having a joint committee meeting. >> ok. that is what the ad hoc committee will do, research and analysis? >> that is right. >> any of the decision we still have to pass the full board. >> the commission can provide

updates. that is not to say a commissioner can also -- a commissioner can join the meeting but they cannot speak as a commissioner but can be there as a member of the public. there is somebody that is not on the committee. these meetings will have to be agenda as to -- agendized. president o'brien: do we have a second? >> i think we have to move forward. i have some -- i think there will be some serious discussions. we are collating information. any member of this commission can sit in on any of these meetings. we cannot participate if we are

not a member. can we forward questions based on -- you remember the public but you're not a member of the commission. you do not have a vote at the committee level. >> my guess is that this point in time, i am not so sure we're getting to votes. it is direction to department staff on doing research analysis and findings for the committee. no matter what topic is, there could be a proposal that is brought forward. at that point, i would imagine the committee, legislation and can -- policy committee will have the commission briefed on discussions, steps, thoughts,

ideas, direction that the discussion is going in. the commission will be kept apprised as to what the committee is doing. >> i do not think there is anything that would be distinguished -- to distinguish and non-member of the subcommittee. i do not think -- if you look at the other subcommittees, they reported their findings and their recommendations to the full commission for anything that needs an action item. that will always be the case. there is a lot of discovery involved here. it is a work in progress to see what happens. and then there is the opportunity for people to get on if they want to be on this

subcommittee later. we might not have three as a number after we meet with the planning commissioner. we have coverage for any one of the subcommittee who cannot be there and it allows for backup. that is where we came with the number. it has not been agreed yet. as the starting process, that is what we thought we were doing. commissioner o'connor: do we know who is working on this committee from planning? >> we do not know yet. i know president olague has an idea. president o'brien: she investigated. at the beginning. >> she did. commissioner riley: with this operate the same as any khomeni?

not making any decisions? listen to presentations and ask questions and do some research and come up with a recommendation for the full commission? >> correct. >> i am going to second this. so we can move forward. president o'brien: 20 to take a vote for the record? -- and do we need to take a vote for the record? commissioner adams? >> aye. commissioner clyde? >> aye. commissioner riley? commissioner riley: yes. >> we met last month with the mta and i thought we got an

interesting discussion on how impact fees work. and especially with the case with summers which regina spoke about earlier. there needs to be some changes based on small businesses and use changes especially in the mission. that is something i know our committee, and janet and i will be looking at that going forward. would you like to make a comment on that? >> i think i found it most illustrative that members of the different departments have no idea out. when people pay for different fees and structures. not only of the not dial than into the different departments but even within their own department fee on top of the.

>> the thing i took away from it is impact fees. if you are in the eastern neighborhoods, you have the impact fee. if you are doing certain businesses, you are hit with that transit impact fee. that is hundreds of thousands of dollars. if you're a mom and pop shop wine to open a business in a warehouse, it will discourage you from opening up a business, especially in the eastern side of the city. that is what i got letters that. that is one of the things i would like to explore. >> there were people working in the department who understand the impact fees have on small businesses and they are willing to work to the extent they can with small businesses to help them get open because they are

cognizant of the economic time we are in. and the dire employment picture particularly in our eastern neighborhoods, many of these businesses are moderate income and providing moderate income jobs, entry-level jobs. fortunately, we seem to have people who are willing to work with the -- in the department. >> can i comment? i was there at the meeting. the same observation was made. in particular case was discussed. the range of fees they would have to pay went from $20,000 to $60,000 to $15,000 and clearly, it is apart from everything else, it is just not fair that somebody wants to start a business in san francisco has to be given such on certain

intermission from a city department, it is not right spirit -- it is not right. it was suggested it should be possible to put a tabular form together to address the differences in the neighborhoods and other significant parts of the equation that go to resolve how much it will cost to they agreed to take that on board to see if it was possible to put something together that is more understandable for people starting a business to reference the chart. and to get some certainty, even if it was within $5,000, they could probably handle that. all going from $20,000 to $60,000 was off the charts. notm this time. president o'brien: do we have

any public comment? public comment is closed. next item. >> we have covered everything in the average committee that has been covered previously in this meeting, so i don't have a report. >> item 16, president's report. president o'brien: i did attend the merchant meeting. the ada issue is still causing a lot of alarm. not to regurgitate what was already mentioned, but is getting -- it is affecting businesses there almost on a weekly basis right now. there is a lot of concern coming from the merchant's association about it. i have another item here, but i

will wait until the business comes up. >> vice president's report. commissioner adams: i would like to report that we had our first a small business week meeting and i will be reporting to the commission as co-chair of small business week. we had a very productive meeting last month, and we are preparing. for next year. >> is there a plan for where it will be next year? commissioner adams: we will try to keep it as far as teh flavors - -the flahe flavors. i have been going to that thing for the last 10 years and it was unbelievable. it turned into a big networking event that i think is awesome.

class'es during the week will pretty much mirror what we did this year. some neighborhoods, shop your neighborhood, like in castro, the valley, the marina, it's a big deal. other neighborhoods where we tried to promote that, it wasn't. we're trying to think of something different to pump that up. >> will the construction of the target affect the use of that space? >commissioner adams: it did not last year. >> item 18, commissioner reports. >> i just want to make a brief

announcement. next sudnay, th - -- sunday, the 18, it will be the first walking street for north beach. we are teaming up with chinatown to put on the event. the merchants are very excited about seeing the sunday streets model expanding into other neighborhoods. we are all hoping for the vast and a good turnout. it is all the way up to lombard, and more at the tower. yeah. commissioner clyde: i just want to make a brief announcement about the american institute of architects san francisco. right now, this month,

september, they are hosting the architecture and the city festival, architecture of consequence. there is a full month of programs that is available on- line at the american institute of architecture san francisco chapter. they are presenting programs, walking tours, all about design. someone asked me, what kind of architecture do you like? i like good architecture. it is a good chance to meet people behind some of the innovative businesses. and also, there are 5000 people in town from the organization of pacific economic organization development. it is a high level diplomatic conference. the diplomats and the staff are planning a conference for next year.

they are all over the city, and it is really nice to see the people converging on san francisco and enjoying our city. i think san francisco showing well for these high level economic development conferences, it is really important. since we talked about how small businesses really the character of the city, small business also provides the resiliency in this really difficult economic time. i would like us to not lose sight of that and when we are able to show these businesses and our social business culture to the world, it is something really to be valued and not taken lightly. thank you. >> i will jump in here under commissioner reports, i forgot to mention that next week is cocktail week in san francisco

starting september 19. i want to make sure that we all remember that. [laughter] president o'brien: thank you for that. next item. >> general public comment. [talking over each other] >> yvonne lee, the small business administration policy advocate, she mentioned some of the laws that might impact small business. the food safety law, a lot of people are not aware of it. she is planning to have a press conference and invited the director and i to attend. i am waiting to receive a summary of this new law. if you own a restaurant, you

have to disclose the source of your food. it can be cumbersome, so we will take a look at it. and the press conference is scheduled for the end of this month. >> is that a state law? >> federal. messed up. >> it applies, you have to disclose where you get it from. i don't have all the details yet. when i get a summary, i will report to you again. and also today, i attended a white house initiative for asian american pacific islander engagement community meeting. these commissions are appointed by the president, and their job is to reach out nationally two

different communities. to listen to what the issues and top priorities are. being the small business commissioner, i asked about job creation as well. the strategy to help small business in this economy. that is all. thank you. >> the general public comment. president o'brien: comments? >> i showed up here for item 8 which has been skipped, i have to wait to comment. i've been here the whole time. we don't have item 8. if you have it on the agenda and is going to be canceled, it would be nice.

i say that with my finger in my ear. >> would you like to -- >> [inaudible] >> he's correct on that. we would look forward to have mr. power come to one of our meetings as scheduled, and we hope that that will happen sooner or later. >> commissioners, i was going to call at prior to closing the meeting, scheduled presenter did not arrive. >> we would like to urge our presenters to come when they are on the agenda or let us know in advance that they are not making the meeting. >> [inaudible]

>> it does make sense. >> i think we did call. it didn't show up. >> we're waiting for -- >> we had public comment. we can talk about it. president o'brien: public comment is closed. next item. >> new business? commissioner adams: i would like to bring about, during the first public comment about the food trucks, i am hearing from my district and from other districts, the issues with the food trucks. if we can have somebody here from dpw, i know we will be discussing it any permit committee as well. i know there is a difference between getting permits on

public land and private land. it is interesting in just the last month, i am hearing a whole lot of good and bad with the food trucks. if we can get a presentation in the future, somebody on that permitting process. >> is not just dpw. -- it is not just dpw. if you want the permitting process on private property it's dph and planning. commissioner adams: you have three different -- >> dph is involved with both. dph is involved with both permitting processes. but for private property, they get the -- they have to do

deferral to the planning department stating that through the planning department process, the truck has authorization. for dpw, they are the final permit operator, but the operator has to show that they have their dph permit. commissioner adams: i like when they have the food trucks at golden gate park or civic center plaza. those are great and wonderful. i am hearing negativity about down at fisherman's wharf, castro, other neighborhoods. there seems to be no public input on whether the private or public space and i would like to address that. >> i will be happy to -- we might want to get this through the permitting committee. there is public input definitely

on the public property. there is mailing and noticing that is new to this permitting process. president o'brien: members of the public can participate and sit in on the permitting committee's meeting and listen to presentations. that is pretty important. i think we should get -- at least allow people that expressed some concerns. >> i want to follow up in regards to the presenter. i was there as part of the supervisors' meeting. there is some follow up that the supervisor has committed to. we are waiting for dpw to provide us with information before we move forward with a follow-up.

in regard to the concerns that we are expressed, they are taken very seriously. supervisor wiener is continuing on with hearing their concerns and looking at ways to address it. before -- needed some fact finding and data information about the number of permits, where they're being applied, that kind of thing. that is being done at this point. commissioner clyde: i have a few items for new business. public safety, sf travel has reported that local people already know there is a significant uptick in street crime over the last few months. tourists are reporting harassment and employees are

seeing more aggressive behavior. there has been significant deterioration in the public safety, particularly late at night. we need to look at ways to reverse this trend. if one of your employees is murdered on a cigarette break, you might be thinking than is a little bit more than just of the mission or just the neighborhood that you are in. i would like this commission to get a briefing on public safety for small businesses and see what we can do. the nature of aggressive panhandling has gotten -- people are more aggressive. it is all disturbing, but to see it increase in the midday hours, the afternoon hours, to see people of any age or ethnicity jumped for their stuff, frankly, you know, i just have some

questions about resources. i have questions about planning. i would like to hear something in the future. >> can i comment on that? i think that would be interesting to do a joint commission meeting with the police commission on this issue. my perspective is that one of my businesses is right across the street from the police station. literally across the street. the police presence is so minimal, the whole police station is like a fortress so it has little to no impact on even the small business is right next to it, let alone blocks away like where the cook cgogot

shot. more specifically, i had had a case where i stopped someone from shoplifting and was waiting for the police to come. they took too long. the shoplifters got away and i ended up following them from a distance. to the bart station. i got to the bart and kind of held the bart train so it couldn't go. the police showed up. then the suspects who weren't suspects were arrested. i purued through the da's office, they made the decision that they did not have